PANDEMONIUM DRAMA

[Lordwafik]

and didn't want to give it up

This is where you fail.

no Geno, this is where you sound like a dumb fag. A LS who's first tiamat (or one of their first tiamats) is of course going to have problems on their first time. And if they're struggling, so be it. Be a good sport and dont be arrogant assholes because another LS isnt doing as good.

If what im reading is true, the members of Kupo who dia'd shit are asses for dia'ing elementals so they can give Caffeine a harder time. And then calling a GM for "holding tiamat" while they are weakened? Even shittier behaviour of you.

Sounds more like they viewed Caffeine as a threat. I mean, If I knew another LS was gonna wipe, i'd have just waited patiently.

It seems to me that Geno doesnt realize that not every server is remora.

[Genosync]

and didn't want to give it up

This is where you fail.

no Geno, this is where you sound like a dumb fag. A LS who's first tiamat (or one of their first tiamats) is of course going to have problems on their first time. And if they're struggling, so be it. Be a good sport and dont be arrogant assholes because another LS isnt doing as good.

If what im reading is true, the members of Kupo who dia'd shit are asses for dia'ing elementals so they can give Caffeine a harder time. And then calling a GM for "holding tiamat" while they are weakened? Even shittier behaviour of you.

Sounds more like they viewed Caffeine as a threat. I mean, If I knew another LS was gonna wipe, i'd have just waited patiently.

It seems to me that Geno doesnt realize that not every server is remora.

Every server's not remora, but don't sit there and waste people's time laughing at you and making a public disgrace of yourself. Be thankful you're not on Remora--apathy woulda mpk'd you at the 2hr mark.

Learn from your mistakes, and come back and try again next time.

I'm not sitting here and saying dia'ing elementals and calling a GM was the right way to go about it, but the respectful thing to do as a linkshell would be to just turn it over and try again next time. Make a better strategy, and execute it.

[Lordwafik]

Every server's not remora, but don't sit there and waste people's time laughing at you and making a public disgrace of yourself. Be thankful you're not on Remora--apathy woulda mpk'd you at the 2hr mark.

Dont think everyone thinks the way you do.

If a LS isnt doing well on their 2h mark ON THEIR FIRST TIME, I wouldnt care. They are new to it, none of us were perfect. Heck my first nidhogg was a 1h:40min fight (back in the day when JP's tagged it all). First KB well over an hour, I dont even remember my first turtle. First Tiamat way over 2hours, First jormungand was 8hours and wiped to it at 8%.

I really dont see your point, how is a new LS getting a CoP wyrm to the 10% mark a "public discrace" ? For someones first time, who cares how long they took, I say that's pretty good of them.

Like I said, not all servers are remora. Remora is a special case, there is no law there. Wave to rascio and serico for me.

[Palin]

Well, to clear a few things up.

The GM wasn't called until an hour after the Spike Flail occured. There was no recovering, Dink even told us that all of your alliance was full MP. After sitting for 4 hrs, someone in the LS got impatient and called a GM, since you guys had 2 SMNs active, one wanted to quit, and another was switched to BLM for more ES Sleeps. Every landing of damage that was done, regened in air. Tiamat Regened all the way to 23%, and only when the GM said that damage needed to be done within a certain time limit, did the number start to drop again, which was promptly Regened.

The comments on slowness weren't made on your fight to 6%, it was made because for an hour after the Flail, and after the full recovery(which might I add, was very impressive), there was still no way you guys were gonna do enough damage to kill it. Thats why the member called a GM.

Bruru took it upon himself to Dia the C4h adds, yes. I never once saw him Dia and elemental, only the mobs that were being TPed up on, or killed by melees. In fact, a lot of the mobs he Diaed where being Diaed by your Drg/whm.

To recap:

The GM was not called while recovering. The GM was called an hour after the Spike Flail, while Caffeine's mages had full MP, and the fight was steady. The only problem was, they had no damage being done.

The Dias were not on Elementals, at least as far as I saw. If they were, I agree that wasn't a classy act. I didn't even agree with the Dia on the TP mobs, but, I kept my mouth closed for certain reasons. Probably wasn't such a good idea in retrospect.

EDIT: Also, despite what you guys believe, I actually thought very highly of your performance. I think you guys did really good for your first real attempt on Timmy. What I wasn't agreeing with was the "holding on" when you obviously didn't have enough damage to continue, let alone survive. I think you guys knew you were finished beforehand, and didn't want to stop due to pride. Thats why I eventually got frustrated as well.

EDIT #2: I'd also like to point out, I didn't even agree with this thread being created. It seemed childish and pointless to me, but, I have no control over what other people do.

[aurik]

Dia'ing CFH adds is gay. Trying to justify the act just goes to show that really, you don't care how low you need stoop, as long as you get the loot in the end.

[Genosync]

I don't care that it took so long as I care about the holding after it.

Recovering for a total of two hours -> BS

[tymora]

Bruru took it upon himself to Dia the C4h adds, yes. I never once saw him Dia and elemental, only the mobs that were being TPed up on, or killed by melees. In fact, a lot of the mobs he Diaed where being Diaed by your Drg/whm.

Our drg/whm dia-ed only the antlions that the adds alliance were meleeing. Our elementals were being dia-ed by your LS and we weren't TPing on those.

[Kurp]

I guess loot > respect.

[Baltasar]

I personally admire Caffeine for comming out after last times Tiamat and see them last for 4hours impress me more then what Kupo does sometimes.
I think the depth to this "dia" it came from ppl being tired I guess and wanted to speed up your death apparently, however I don't understand why you keept calling them after seeing one get Called in the first place, and elementals are very easy to solo as a blm.
Anyway you did a good job and really put effort in trying to kill him, although try look at it from our point of view aswell it's like being in a car line and you know you're not getting anywhere in a while because there's something blocking your road. We stand there just waiting which leads ppl to frustration.
Some don't keep their head cooled down and do stupid things I guess. Also I don't like the "we hate Kupo" attitude you guys put up here when there's several members who weren't even there or don't even agree with what occured.
Anyway good luck next time I hope you still have faith in yourself and perhaps more ppl for next time.

ugh my text probably is all messed up 11am

[Genosync]

I guess I'm being more of an asshole than I should be--blame the events of the last few days of Remora.

I'm not agreeing with what was done, I just know that I'd hate a 4hr Tiamat going down and sitting there watching people do nothing to it for two hours. Hell, I call GMs on people if Fafnir sits at the same % for more than 10 minutes.

[Vigion]

Hey Palin, part where you're wrong is the mobs werent getting Dia'd on by adds alliance or else the BLM's wouldnt die from trying to sleep them bud. Some Ant's were getting dia'd on by drg/whm for healing breath, but that was as far as that went. The main reason to the anger of Caffeine is not the wipe. Its the fact Kupo sat there NOT after a long period of time, but from the start of fight began with the abussive shouts. I don't really care about the shouts I ignore you guys like nothing, but when my members are dying from DIA on mobs then yeh, you guys crossed the line. I was dead or I would of called for help myself, I gave the order to do so, come on now ask yourself a one time leader of ds before selling his soul to kupo: "Would you let kupo claim a 20% tiamat after mpk attempts and abussive shouts for 4hours?"

[tymora]

I just know that I'd hate a 4hr Tiamat going down and sitting there watching people do nothing to it for two hours. Hell, I call GMs on people if Fafnir sits at the same % for more than 10 minutes.

We were trying to do something. But our tanks kept dying in like 2 hits. No tank was available to hold hate. I would blame this on our inexperience but it certainly doesn't justify Kupo's actions.

There were no one there except Kupo and us and some random spectators. If they had just asked us to /tell them when we give up or wipe, they would have gotten it w/o the long wait. We may even hold it there till they come and take over. (Though it is unlikely after this)

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I personally do know that only a small minority from Kupo are guilty as charged. Let it be known that I bear no ill will towards those in my Dynamis and Limbus LSes and will continue to do these events with them as usual.

[TP]

and didn't want to give it up

This is where you fail.

You got owned, and got owned hard, and had little chance to recover while another LS stood by and watched.

This is where you fail at life.

An honest, spirited attempt isn't measured in or bound by hours or deaths (or even yet another misguided GM). Has the wonder and enjoyment of this little slice of entertainment been reduced to egoplay for you? Keep it up and at the end of the day, you'll still just be a petty little hater.

*rolling eyes in anticipation of more card abuse*

[Palin]

Hey Palin, part where you're wrong is the mobs werent getting Dia'd on by adds alliance or else the BLM's wouldnt die from trying to sleep them bud. Some Ant's were getting dia'd on by drg/whm for healing breath, but that was as far as that went. The main reason to the anger of Caffeine is not the wipe. Its the fact Kupo sat there NOT after a long period of time, but from the start of fight began with the abussive shouts. I don't really care about the shouts I ignore you guys like nothing, but when my members are dying from DIA on mobs then yeh, you guys crossed the line. I was dead or I would of called for help myself, I gave the order to do so, come on now ask yourself a one time leader of ds before selling his soul to kupo: "Would you let kupo claim a 20% tiamat after mpk attempts and abussive shouts for 4hours?"

As said, I never personally saw a Dia on the Elementals. If thats the truth, I don't agree with it, and think it was low of Bruru. I don't even agree with the Dia in the first place. However, I never personally saw that, nor do I ever recall your Elemental mages even dieing. However, it was a 4 hr event, I'm sure there's things I missed.

The shouts? I remember only 2 people talking in any way that could be considered offensive. One was Bruru, obviously. Both I think were childish and pointless, again, but its not my place to tell people what to say and not to say. I'm not an officer.

Tbh, I completely understood the C4h. Even on Vent, people were talking about it, and I commented, "We were being rude to them by Diaing their Ants, so they were rude to us by not giving us a 20% Tiamat, and making us start at 100.%" Believe me, I completely understand. In the same situation, after 4 hrs of frustration, I might have even done so myself in your position.

As for the comment about my previous leadership, please don't bring that up here. You hardly know all the circumstances to take a snap shot at me. I've been civil in this thread, and wasn't doing any of the offensive actions on the field, so I'd appreciate it if you treated me the same way. Thanks

[Tom Chambers]

So Palin evaded that big Spike Flail at the respectability of Kupo through civility and common deceny. Somehow, even though he's not in the LS or on the same server, Geno didn't.

[Zigma]

<3 bahamut


The only server where I can hold tiamat for 7 hrs while some people do dynamis and not have to worry ppl calling a GM on me.

[Tsunade]

Just a thought but...

You gave it your best shot, aside from the fact that they casted dia on CFH mobs, which... I admit is quite disrespectful/rude. But, calling for help on Tiamat because you didn't want Kupo to take it at 20%? Based on what I hear, Kupo can probably take out Tiamat very quickly, so who cares if they start at 20% or 100%. You cannot say they don't deserve to start at 20%. They sat there and waited around 4 hours to fight Tiamat. Calling for help when a GM was already there? I wasn't surprised at all hearing that the LS ended up in jail.

Now, if there were a bunch of gil sellers or a competing newbie LS that might not have been able to win the fight from the full 100% -> 0%, then... Resetting the mob's HP is more justified, though still wrong. Certinaly, I would be annoyed if my LS wiped to Tiamat at 6%, and a newbie LS went up and used all their SPs to zerg rush a win.

Good job calling for help on a mob, right infront of a GM. It really builds your LS's reputation...

/em casts Invisible and returns to quietly reading BG forums.


Edit: - Quick side note -
I think I came out a bit strong on this, I'm just saying that there was no need to call for help. I'm all against the fact that a GM was called in the first place, when the LS was in fact trying to kill Tiamat and recovering. Harassing a LS by diaing links... well you know the rest.

[Genosync]

So Palin evaded that big Spike Flail at the respectability of Kupo through civility and common deceny. Somehow, even though he's not in the LS or on the same server, Geno didn't.

Geno's in an emo-mode and hates life and everyone living on the planet right now, have a nice day.

[Vigion]

Just a thought but...

You gave it your best shot, aside from the fact that they casted dia on CFH mobs, which... I admit is quite disrespectful/rude. But, calling for help on Tiamat because you didn't want Kupo to take it at 20%? Based on what I hear, Kupo can probably take out Tiamat very quickly, so who cares if they start at 20% or 100%. You cannot say they don't deserve to start at 20%. They sat there and waited around 4 hours to fight Tiamat. Calling for help when a GM was already there? I wasn't surprised at all hearing that the LS ended up in jail.

Now, if there were a bunch of gil sellers or a competing newbie LS that might not have been able to win the fight from the full 100% -> 0%, then... Resetting the mob's HP is more justified, though still wrong. Certinaly, I would be annoyed if my LS wiped to Tiamat at 6%, and a newbie LS went up and used all their SPs to zerg rush a win.

Good job calling for help on a mob, right infront of a GM. It really builds your LS's reputation...

/em casts Invisible and returns to quietly reading BG forums.

Actually, we don't really care about our reputation. We are good people that don't do bad deeds. Infact our reputation has gotten better from people who are dissapointed in kupo's actions and willing to help (wont take them up on that, we want to learn ourselves), but point being people understand what was done. Also Tsunade you failed to see the principal of it all, but its too late and I'm tired to try to get it into everyones head for the reason for the CFH.

[Lockecole]

Sorry Palin, but it sounds like you're copping out on the whole Diaing deal. There's alot of bad blood between people in Siren, but we draw a line at interacting with the other members fight. How you can say shit like "that's not a classy thing to do" and then take no action on your own members for doing it is bullshit. Either say you don't care, or show some discipline on the matter. If anyone in my LS Diaed someone's CFHed adds, they'd get their asses reamed.

Tiamats sometime go on as long as 6+ hours on Siren depending on who claims it. Talk shit w/e, but don't interfere with someone who claimed it before you did.

P.S. Caffiene...get a new freakin add strategy. I duo adds with a friend (soloed before patch) and we've never had an issue with MA getting aggro for longer then one spell. Use your brains, not your brawn when it comes to dealing with adds..and diaed mobs wont be an issue.