PANDEMONIUM DRAMA

[Chubbs]

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[Rocl]

Remember that time Kupo died Caffiene's Elementals at Tiamat? lol me too

[Angelsin]

Tiamat just needs a chaos timer of 3-4hrs like the other NMs. Problem Solved. No more Tiamat drama. If you can't kill it then you'll get fucked up and die. Too bad SE will never think of anything like this

Yeah, that would be an awesome idea /end sarcasm. Lets fuck over every new LS that attempts a CoP wyrm, because they have never once fought tiamat before, but you expect them to know a strat/tail hate/handling adds, when they've never fought the damn thing before. Of course there is strategy's all over here and other forums, but that doesn't account for what actually happens during the fight, Flail/Missed stuns etc. Good idea there.

I've seen Tiamat do 360's for up to 10-15 seconds at a time with no attemp at flailing, just wings, breath, terror and the occasional lucky roar for the person that got hate lol.

It also helps when you learn to fucking read idiot. Did I mention jorm or vrtra? I wasn't aware that Tiamat was the ONLY CoP Wyrm out there. Thank you for pointing that out to me. If 1-3 missed stuns in a row is going to wipe you then you clearly don't have the ability to kill these wryms. You want practice go practice on jorm, read the strategies posted everywhere, watch ppl kill her, and stop showing up to Tiamat half assed. This is why Chaos timers were introduced in the first place asshole. Or maybe you weren't around when ppl held fafnir/nidhogg for 3hrs with like 6ppl while waiting for other ppl to wake up and deal minimal damage. If you can't kill in a timely manner and have to hold an HNM for any longer than 5-6min then you don't deserve the kill. GTFO and let someone else do the job you couldn't do.

[derzoll]

Raffi, i'm not sure what you're talking about. What i hear is that you have this enourmous problem with Kupo for a for me still unknown reason. I'm not sure how many times this has been said, but i guess i have to say it again. Kupo did *not* talk Palin and Naikon into joining us. They came to us. Is there a difference? Hell yeah it is. I'm tired of these accusations you keep throwing our way. If you have any problem with the LS feel free to tell me ingame.

Chubbs, what good is a comment like that going to do? You disapppoint me.

Vigion, i'm going to talk to Bruru and Lbelle be sure of it. Whatever the punishment may be is none of your concern.

[layoneil]

This is why Chaos timers were introduced in the first place asshole.

doesn't the fact that Grand Wyrms not having these timers negate your point?

[thestalkmore]

Funny how Kupo wiped to tiamat today

lol wiping to tiamat

ON A RELEVANT NOTE:

Sendoh, Just dinged 75RDM a week and a half ago but my main is BLM. Is it worthwhile to only put 1-2 merits in enfeebling or should I just go ahead and cap elemental (I've been saving two upgrades for possible enfeebling merits).

[Raineer]

This is why Chaos timers were introduced in the first place asshole.

doesn't the fact that Grand Wyrms not having these timers negate your point?

Your post assumes some foresight on the behalf of SE.

Therefore, your post fails.

[Demonsamurai]

Tiamat just needs a chaos timer of 3-4hrs like the other NMs. Problem Solved. No more Tiamat drama. If you can't kill it then you'll get fucked up and die. Too bad SE will never think of anything like this

Yeah, that would be an awesome idea /end sarcasm. Lets fuck over every new LS that attempts a CoP wyrm, because they have never once fought tiamat before, but you expect them to know a strat/tail hate/handling adds, when they've never fought the damn thing before. Of course there is strategy's all over here and other forums, but that doesn't account for what actually happens during the fight, Flail/Missed stuns etc. Good idea there.

I've seen Tiamat do 360's for up to 10-15 seconds at a time with no attemp at flailing, just wings, breath, terror and the occasional lucky roar for the person that got hate lol.

It also helps when you learn to fucking read idiot. Did I mention jorm or vrtra? I wasn't aware that Tiamat was the ONLY CoP Wyrm out there. Thank you for pointing that out to me. If 1-3 missed stuns in a row is going to wipe you then you clearly don't have the ability to kill these wryms. You want practice go practice on jorm, read the strategies posted everywhere, watch ppl kill her, and stop showing up to Tiamat half assed. This is why Chaos timers were introduced in the first place asshole. Or maybe you weren't around when ppl held fafnir/nidhogg for 3hrs with like 6ppl while waiting for other ppl to wake up and deal minimal damage. If you can't kill in a timely manner and have to hold an HNM for any longer than 5-6min then you don't deserve the kill. GTFO and let someone else do the job you couldn't do.

Whoa there turbo. I did say CoP wyrms but maybe you should learn how to fucking read yourself and see that i wrote TIAMAT after that you fucktard. Sorry every damn ls thats want to start on wyrms would PICK THE EASIEST FUCKING ONE. I mean there is no logic in that selection is there? So why don't you take your head outta your ass, and realize everything isn't the way you want it to be, and go cry some more about a wyrm chaos timer. Seeing as wyrms are infinatly harder then any of the RZ kings, why the hell would they make a chaos timer, cause the fight always takes a while, and wyrm drops are meh, so its not like the damn thing drops 12 zomgwtf e. bodies. So please enlighten me.

[Raffi_XI]

naw derzoll, just getting tired of seeing kupos tricks played on people who threaten your monopoly. Like i have told you in the past its all friendly competition. Most of it is just head games, but when people start messing with adds and causing problems, thats low. I've seen tiamat go yellow on kupo many times, and even i didnt dia it.

The day kupo and its members show the rest of pandy some respect will be the day Pandy will respect you guys.

[Havocdemon]

What Kupo does is instead of camp against others, they pick apart other ls's. Which quite frankly is a lot smarter and easier thing to do. Hell if someone got offered first lots on M Bodies and other Botted loot, who wouldnt take up the offer? I was in DestineySeekers when kupo did this to them too. DS killing wyrms, kupo sees competition, next thing you know 5-6 DS leaders are in kupo.

It's called Headhunting. We need the Kupo button Niv! Then with the lotting items, they don't get first, but they do get 5th or 6th =p, unlike how it would be in, what's the name of your LS? (Dunno if this is actually your LS^^) NinthCircle led by Caine? where you kill sim and get boots that are said to be sold but stolen by none other than the leader. Headhunting is the way of the game, learn to live by it. I think I've hit 2 of the buttons so far.

PS: SSJ > Chaos timer. Who the hell came up with chaos?

[layoneil]

Your post assumes some foresight on the behalf of SE.

Therefore, your post fails.

foresight like how AV is designed?

while i won't argue SE sucks at planning ahead, some forms of planning ahead shouldn't be done. if Nidhogg had rage timers from implementation, it would have been almost impossible to kill.

as much as it sucks to watch, people need to learn how to kill them.

[Raineer]

Your post assumes some foresight on the behalf of SE.

Therefore, your post fails.

foresight like how AV is designed?

while i won't argue SE sucks at planning ahead, some forms of planning ahead shouldn't be done. if Nidhogg had rage timers from implementation, it would have been almost impossible to kill.

as much as it sucks to watch, people need to learn how to kill them.

eh, i see your point.. i just disagree

People could have killed fafhogg, they would have actually camped with 18 and brought the necessary jobs to kill. Instead they trained themselves to hold and kill fafnir with 6 people in 3 hours (even though it could be done today in an hour with 6)

[Ashen]

Yet again I'm proud to be a pandemonium-ite

[Krandor]

People could have killed fafhogg, they would have actually camped with 18 and brought the necessary jobs to kill. Instead they trained themselves to hold and kill fafnir with 6 people in 3 hours (even though it could be done today in an hour with 6)

This reminds me of one Nidhogg way back in the day on Asura where a JP LS killed it with 7 or 8 people beating it to death with Warp Cudgels. I think it took them something like 4 hours ._.

[Xavier]

Whoa there turbo. I did say CoP wyrms but maybe you should learn how to fucking read yourself and see that i wrote TIAMAT after that you fucktard. Sorry every damn ls thats want to start on wyrms would PICK THE EASIEST FUCKING ONE.

Tiamat isn't the easiest one. Jorm is a bit easier, and Vrtra is a lot easier.

Seeing as wyrms are infinatly harder then any of the RZ kings, why the hell would they make a chaos timer

They aren't. An infinitely harder fight would be a comparison between a Robber Crab and Absolute Virtue, as theres no comparison between the skill required to kill them.

Tiamat/Jorm/Vrtra are maybe 2 or 3 times harder than Fafnir, but a lot of their difficutly is negated by them being stunable. All they really have is more hp, and a resistance to elemental magic, making them take longer to kill. But last I checked, the length of time it takes to kill something doesn't directly translate into the skill it takes to kill something.

Yeah, that would be an awesome idea /end sarcasm. Lets fuck over every new LS that attempts a CoP wyrm, because they have never once fought tiamat before

but you expect them to know a strat

Fafnir.

tail hate

Fafnir.

handling adds

Aspid.

when they've never fought the damn thing before.

They have, it just wasn't called Tiamat.

Of course there is strategy's all over here and other forums

Read it before engaging.

but that doesn't account for what actually happens during the fight, Flail/Missed stuns etc.

Stop sucking.

Good idea there.

It is.

[average]

No one made you sit there for 4hours+. Way to be a douchebag and make a thread like this. lol

bingo

I was waiting for someone to say this.

I bet this is how it went down.

KupoLS: GUYS TIAMAT IS UP LET'S GO!
OtherLS: GUYS TIAMAT IS UP LET'S GO!




OtherLS wins pull,


KupoLS: Shit we lost, BUT DON'T WORRY, THEY'RE NUBS WHO'VE NEVER FOUGHT A WYRM BEFORE AND THEY'LL WIPE VERY FAST WWW


kupoLS: 3HRS LATER OMFG IT'S AT 6% I CAN'T BELIEVE IT THEY'RE GONNA WIN!

Tiamat: SPIKE FLAIL NIGGA OH BURN

OtherLS: SHIT, guys recover, get tanks up, blm sleep.

KupoLS: SPIKE wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww GUYS THEY'RE WIPIN OMFG THIS IS TOO GOOD.

1hr later

OtherLS: GJ Guys, we need to start pushing this down, We have 2 smns with with that and nukes from the blms we can kill it.

KupoLS: wtf... they haven't wiped yet. LET'S CALL GM AND SAY THEY"RE HOLDING SINCE IT REGENED!!

[GM] Nazi: I AM GM NAZI, I DON'T PLAY THIS GAME AND I THINK DRG'S ARE THE SHIT. SINCE THIS MOB REGEN'ED FROM 6 TO 20 AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB, YOU HAVE 5 MIN BLAH BLAH BLAH

OtherLS: fuck this is out first fucking wyrm, we recovered from a friggins spike flail and it's taking us more time then expected and we're short on people.

KupoLS: wwwwwwwwwwww TIAMAT OURS

heylol kupo sounds like my ls.

sad part is its true. if you are new to wyrms your going to wipe.
tiamat <10% = hundredfist mightstrikes.

[Kreg]

However, watching the whole HNM community flame the whole LS for what 1-2 bad apples does is sad. Many or most people in Kupo are really nice people.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that Kupo would NEVER take a 20% Tiamat. If you can't figure out why, don't bother asking.

Made me remember that time you guys took Tiamat from my LS at 14%, and proceeded to wipe immediately after claim. All this after you guys verbally harrassed some of our members for us taking 4 hours to fight Tiamat. Different members than the ones who were problems for Caffiene at that. And before that, different members who were the ones who harrassed Impulse while they attempted Tiamat. I'd say you don't have a few bad apples, but a whole bucket of bad apples Derzoll. I don't know whether you are just naive or where you heard, but 2 people who misrepresent the linkshell still DO represent the linkshell as a whole. You are only as strong as your weakest link.

I myself have respect for a lot of Kupo's members. Lots of them are very good people. However, when in group together they become very elitest and show a not so friendly side of the linkshell.

Take some action and apologize for the members that messed up the whole situation, and deal with those members however Kupo does. That's the only advice I have for you. It'll all blow over eventually.

[layoneil]

People could have killed fafhogg

counter argument to training for Tiamat/Jorm on Fafhogg is not being able to get claim. which than would spiral into a discussion about JPs and bots.

saying people could sounds good but realistically, it's easier to do it on Tiamat/Jorm.

[Demonsamurai]

Xavier wrote:
Tiamat/Jorm/Vrtra are maybe 2 or 3 times harder than Fafnir, but a lot of their difficutly is negated by them being stunable. All they really have is more hp, and a resistance to elemental magic, making them take longer to kill. But last I checked, the length of time it takes to kill something doesn't directly translate into the skill it takes to kill something.

Infinatly was probably the wrong word but thats still not to say that CoP wyrms are not a lot harder then Fafnir for an LS thats just jumping to them. My ls personally just took down our first wyrm, and it was a lot harder then fafnir. For more experienced ls's on wyrms i could see some kinda frustration watching someone else take a while on wyrms but you can't expect them to pull it for the first time and be able take it down flawlessly buy some sort of time standard that experienced ls's have all set.

[Xavier]

People could have killed fafhogg

counter argument to training for Tiamat/Jorm on Fafhogg is not being able to get claim. which than would spiral into a discussion about JPs and bots.

saying people could sounds good but realistically, it's easier to do it on Tiamat/Jorm.

How quickly the world forgets BC99, The Wyrm BC is basically a blend of Fafnir and Tiamat. People are free to endlessly practice on that so long as they have 99 kindred seals. Nobodys time is wasted save for the orb user when they lose.