Some people just need to fucking die.

[Gafgarionn]

Some people would argue with you veal is horrible. I would. Veal is baby cows, I would shed a tear if I saw a baby cow being beat or hurt. Same with the baby cat.

You don't cry when you see a rolled over cat, or even cats killed on purpose for eating like in Asia. But it changes when it's a baby somehow The vid made me very uncomfortable, couldn't finish.


edit: Just saw what sidd said about making food food and a sexual fetish. It's basically that idea.

edit 2: You could argue plants suffer too (and they do...) so don't say you are vegan because animals suffer when you eat them.

That's what my problem is. I don't really see a difference between, say, a flower and a poor little kitty cat. The cat just has a different arrangement of atoms that gives it the cute image, and thus, our sympathy. The differences between the two are only material, so what's the difference?

Edit: ^Why the large text? >_>

[Palin]

Human train of thought is all based on symbolism. In Western culture, we symbolize a cow, or other livestock, as a means of food. We symbolize cats, dogs, etc, as pets, symbols of childhood bonds, companionship, and in the cases of younger pets, innocence and love.

You're absolutely right. There is no physical difference in killing a plant and killing a cat. The cat can simply express its emotions. Animals are more like us than plants. We associate them as being more "real" because of that. And we associate these certain types of animals with those things mentioned above. Thats why, this is viewed as such a deplorable act by most. Its all our cultural conditioning.

[Gafgarionn]

Human train of thought is all based on symbolism. In Western culture, we symbolize a cow, or other livestock, as a means of food. We symbolize cats, dogs, etc, as pets, symbols of childhood bonds, companionship, and in the cases of younger pets, innocence and love.

You're absolutely right. There is no physical difference in killing a plant and killing a cat. The cat can simply express its emotions. Animals are more like us than plants. We associate them as being more "real" because of that. And we associate these certain types of animals with those things mentioned above. Thats why, this is viewed as such a deplorable act by most. Its all our cultural conditioning.

I understand completely why people see it as such a deplorable act. I could hardly watch 10 seconds into the video before I literally had to shield my eyes and click out of it. I'm just trying to decide whether that's rational or not.

[Flash]

no, the difference between this and livestock was that the entire purpose behind it WAS TO CAUSE PAIN. If it was a fuckin snake or mexican i would say the same thing.

[Kaylia]

edit 2: You could argue plants suffer too (and they do...) so don't say you are vegan because animals suffer when you eat them.

That's what my problem is. I don't really see a difference between, say, a flower and a poor little kitty cat. The cat just has a different arrangement of atoms that gives it the cute image, and thus, our sympathy. The differences between the two are only material, so what's the difference?

Because one have atom structure that allow it to feel pain maybe, while the other doesnt have any neural network?

Of course, you can pretend everything is atoms and we shouldn't have any consideration a life, but that could cause some minor problem when you look at another human. You don't have to feel sympathy for them after all, it's just a bunch of structured atom.

[Gafgarionn]

edit 2: You could argue plants suffer too (and they do...) so don't say you are vegan because animals suffer when you eat them.

That's what my problem is. I don't really see a difference between, say, a flower and a poor little kitty cat. The cat just has a different arrangement of atoms that gives it the cute image, and thus, our sympathy. The differences between the two are only material, so what's the difference?

Because one have atom structure that allow it to feel pain maybe, while the other doesnt have any neural network?

Of course, you can pretend everything is atoms and we shouldn't have any consideration a life, but that could cause some minor problem when you look at another human. You don't have to feel sympathy for them after all, it's just a bunch of structured atom.

A bunch of structured atoms plus a soul. Animals don't have those

EDIT: What about hunting? Hunters that don't actually eat the animal are using hunting strictly as an outlet for recreation at the expensive of the animal's life. This sadist is using the kitten as an outlet for her sexual drive. Is there any difference?

[Warudo Ecksu]

I couldn't stand watching the video, but it got me to thinking. What if it wasn't a kitty, but a snake, or some other animal people tend to think less fond of. I guarantee the video would get less attention than it is now... but is a cat really any different than any other animal? Interesting to think about...

I see where you're going with that question, but for me, I'd have the same reaction even if it were a snake or some other reptile. I love snakes and lizards and shit

The only thing that wouldn't bother me would be a spider suffering a long, horrible death, but I wouldn't be able to watch a video of that, due to my insane arachnophobia. ;x

[Palin]

Human train of thought is all based on symbolism. In Western culture, we symbolize a cow, or other livestock, as a means of food. We symbolize cats, dogs, etc, as pets, symbols of childhood bonds, companionship, and in the cases of younger pets, innocence and love.

You're absolutely right. There is no physical difference in killing a plant and killing a cat. The cat can simply express its emotions. Animals are more like us than plants. We associate them as being more "real" because of that. And we associate these certain types of animals with those things mentioned above. Thats why, this is viewed as such a deplorable act by most. Its all our cultural conditioning.

I understand completely why people see it as such a deplorable act. I could hardly watch 10 seconds into the video before I literally had to shield my eyes and click out of it. I'm just trying to decide whether that's rational or not.

Rational? No. But being emotional is one thing that seperates humans from a lot of other things in this world. I personally don't think thats a bad thing.

[Kaylia]

A bunch of structured atoms plus a soul. Animals don't have those

People on the internet don't have soul

[Gafgarionn]

A bunch of structured atoms plus a soul. Animals don't have those

People on the internet don't have soul

Sorry if I'm coming across as an asshole; I really did feel bad for the cat. What else am I gonna do while seeking though, huh?

[Andarvi]

It's a damn cat. You know the world is messed up when we can joke about cops being stupid and shooting innocent people, but when we see a poor kitten being killed by a person it's like we open up a whole new outlet of emotions. Why must a whole new gammet of feeling be drawn for a being not even related to us?

its pretty much defenseless.
who cares about whiteppl/niggers/mexicans/randomethnicgroup ppl getting shot by cops anyway, even if it was a mistake?

but the kitty... to effectivly torture something as innocent as a baby, wtf?

i hope someone copies this video with you as a subject instead of a cat.

and plants dont "suffer" in the same sense that the cat did. that cat has a central nervous system and thus feels pain, plants dont have/do either.

[Anyway]

I agree with Magus's post, I don't feel like quoting it atm. I find it weird that I can watch like human shootings or people blowing up, etc you know what I mean but this is like the first video I ever had to turn off not even halfway.

Now that I think about it, if I didn't hear it crying and it didn't sound like a baby I might've been able to barely. But that was just too horrible. Horrible, really horrible. Brings back memories of when that beheading video came out, I was able to watch that (though I felt sick for like 2 days) but I was still able. I MEAN WHAT THE FUCK.

[Koyangi]

I exited almost right away, I love my cat to death, i can't see another suffer.

[raginbull]

had to bid goodbye to my lunch after seeing that.

[Anyway]

Oh and I hate cats too so I'm even more confused. I mean I -hate- cats, they're such dickheads. I love dogs.

[Mizango]

Wow, just wow. Whether it is considered taboo by western culture or not that is just down right fucked up any way you slice it .

[Surealistic]

first off, i only watched about 15 seconds of that video before i turned it off, sick to my stomach

there is a HUGE difference between killing a cow for a hamburger and what was in that video

1. they did that to the kitten just because, no other reason than they could, you kill a cow with a purpose, to eat it

2. i seriously doubt (not saying it doesnt happen) that they torture the cow before they kill it, im pretty sure its just quick and relatively painless

3. yes i know veal is baby cows, but that was a completely defenseless kitten, i would bet a cow would be able to inflict some damage to a person, a nice kick to the head would knock out pretty much anyone if not kill them, whats a kitten to do, scratch your face?


and no, i cant watch people being tortured, but i have a weak stomach, i cant even watch scary movies, things like the movie Saw, fuck that, i cant take it, as much as i would want to, i couldnt even watch these sick fucks get the same thing done to them they did to the kitten

i bet they wouldnt try that shit with a tiger, they are so big and bad, get their jollies torturing innocent defenseless kittens, grow a pair, try it with something that might take issue with what your doing and fight back

[raginbull]

ill be thinking about the eye popping out of its head all day now

[raginbull]

first off, i only watched about 15 seconds of that video before i turned it off, sick to my stomach

there is a HUGE difference between killing a cow for a hamburger and what was in that video

1. they did that to the kitten just because, no other reason than they could, you kill a cow with a purpose, to eat it

2. i seriously doubt (not saying it doesnt happen) that they torture the cow before they kill it, im pretty sure its just quick and relatively painless

3. yes i know veal is baby cows, but that was a completely defenseless kitten, i would bet a cow would be able to inflict some damage to a person, a nice kick to the head would knock out pretty much anyone if not kill them, whats a kitten to do, scratch your face?


and no, i cant watch people being tortured, but i have a weak stomach, i cant even watch scary movies, things like the movie Saw, fuck that, i cant take it, as much as i would want to, i couldnt even watch these sick fucks get the same thing done to them they did to the kitten

i bet they wouldnt try that shit with a tiger, they are so big and bad, get their jollies torturing innocent defenseless kittens, grow a pair, try it with something that might take issue with what your doing and fight back

yeah i would like to see a tiger consume the bitch

[Anyway]

REALLY THOUGH IM SO PISSED. Not that they killed the fucking kitten but I keep hearing it fucking crying in my head. That's the worst part. why couldn't they sedate it or something. GOD DAMN IT I KEEP HEARING IT