Some people just need to fucking die.

[Mizango]

REALLY THOUGH IM SO PISSED. Not that they killed the fucking kitten but I keep hearing it fucking crying in my head. That's the worst part. why couldn't they sedate it or something. GOD DAMN IT I KEEP HEARING IT

Sadistic, malevolent assholes ftl.

[raginbull]

I agree with Magus's post, I don't feel like quoting it atm. I find it weird that I can watch like human shootings or people blowing up, etc you know what I mean but this is like the first video I ever had to turn off not even halfway.

Now that I think about it, if I didn't hear it crying and it didn't sound like a baby I might've been able to barely. But that was just too horrible. Horrible, really horrible. Brings back memories of when that beheading video came out, I was able to watch that (though I felt sick for like 2 days) but I was still able. I MEAN WHAT THE FUCK.

If it's the beheading video I think you're referring to, then yeah I agree that was quite sickening.

[raginbull]

It's a damn cat. You know the world is messed up when we can joke about cops being stupid and shooting innocent people, but when we see a poor kitten being killed by a person it's like we open up a whole new outlet of emotions. Why must a whole new gammet of feeling be drawn for a being not even related to us?

its pretty much defenseless.
who cares about whiteppl/niggers/mexicans/randomethnicgroup ppl getting shot by cops anyway, even if it was a mistake?

but the kitty... to effectivly torture something as innocent as a baby, wtf?

i hope someone copies this video with you as a subject instead of a cat.

and plants dont "suffer" in the same sense that the cat did. that cat has a central nervous system and thus feels pain, plants dont have/do either.

That comment from Sidd made me chuckle. To quote Yummy (I think it was): People who appeal to racial pride are people with nothing else to be proud of.

[Shaede]

I refuse to watch something like this. =\

[Lasitha]

edit 2: You could argue plants suffer too (and they do...) so don't say you are vegan because animals suffer when you eat them.

That's what my problem is. I don't really see a difference between, say, a flower and a poor little kitty cat. The cat just has a different arrangement of atoms that gives it the cute image, and thus, our sympathy. The differences between the two are only material, so what's the difference?

Because one have atom structure that allow it to feel pain maybe, while the other doesnt have any neural network?

Of course, you can pretend everything is atoms and we shouldn't have any consideration a life, but that could cause some minor problem when you look at another human. You don't have to feel sympathy for them after all, it's just a bunch of structured atom.

What makes you think plants don't have nerves that produce pain? They just don't have a mouth to emit sounds.

[Shaede]

What makes you think plants don't have nerves that produce pain? They just don't have a mouth to emit sounds.

One last note in this topic.

Plants do feel pain and they do scream. They vibrate and produce a sound above the range of human ears, but we have devices that can pick it up. It's beed proven that if you torture a plant, it'll recognise you and scream upon your approach.

Makes you think about the world we do not know exists.

[Lasitha]

Well that's new information to me, and proves the point further. But that's why I'm not vegan, only reason I would be so is if I didn't like the taste of meet.

I bet it's new information to most people talking in this topic that plants feel pain right till the moment you digest them.

[Okan]

I see a lot of views. To me, it would be equally disturbing to see if it was a snake, a puppy, a fish... (Excluding some bugs because there is so many, like ants.)

Live stock is different. They're raised to be food. They're bred to be food. They're not raised cuddly and such. Some are, and they're treated so.

The hunter comment I don't agree with. I've lived in Maryland, Missouri, Wisconsin, and now Texas. I've known many many many hunters. Each one that I knew told me that they knew they could not personally consume the amount of meat on the prey. What did they do? They took it to a place that would clean the animal and chop it up. From there, the hunter would take what he could use and the butcher would keep the rest and sell that as part of his commission. The skins would be sent to appropriate places. 95% of the animal was used for something. Only things not used was what could not be used.

[Zigma]

video don't work for me.

[Lockecole]

video don't work for me.

I actually have gone to amplovesyou.net (fucked up site) here and there and I just went to it now, and the whole site is down. I think linking to him might have crashed his site, doubt he expected this kinda traffic. Id just wait for his site to go back up...but seriously I dont think you wanna watch the video. I've sat through some fucked up shit, and I couldnt handle much more then the first 30-45 seconds. I clicked ahead here and there and caught a glimpse of some scenes...all I know is it just got worse, fuck that.

[Zigma]

i just finished watching it. I've owned 2 cats and I really liked them

I hope that bitch gets what she deserves but it won't be much of a punishment and at most she'll get a few months (maybe like a year or 2) in jail for animal cruilty and that depends on where she lives...

It's sad but you gotta understand that shit like this takes place all around the world and this one happends to be posted on the internet etc via a video.

[Elcura]

That was horrible... the poor thing was moaning in agony. Some people are messed up...

[Lockecole]

i just finished watching it. I've owned 2 cats and I really liked them

I hope that bitch gets what she deserves but it won't be much of a punishment and at most she'll get a few months (maybe like a year or 2) in jail for animal cruilty and that depends on where she lives...

It's sad but you gotta understand that shit like this takes place all around the world and this one happends to be posted on the internet etc via a video.

In the two articles it states that this was done by a river in China, and that they don't have any laws against those kind of things. Basically they can't do shit.

[Skyylya]

What makes you think plants don't have nerves that produce pain

To the person who said that plants do feel pain and 'scream' please provide a post to that information, because it goes against everything i've studied in anatomy and horticulture.

Plant cells and animal cells are very different. Animal cells produce nerves and the neural network required to 'feel' anything.

Plant cells are structural and functional cells that do not create anything similar or equivelant to a nervous system, and therefore 'feel' nothing.

There are parts of humans that you can't feel, your brain for instance has no somatosensation, someone could touch your grey matter and you would feel nothing.


As to why we care when an innocent kitten gets tortured and not when someone gets beat up, it's a very philosophical question.

I feel fairly paradoxical about the whole thing, being an atheist i don't believe that people or anything/anyone has a soul or whateveer. I reduce people to biologocial machines comprised of hydrogen, carbon and oxygen molecules that are more of a statistical requirement of the universe than beings with meaning and purpose. But at the same time i still care about the people around me and do what i can for them.

I had planned to type more, but my friends want me to meet them at 'the' bar. So maybe if i'm sober when i come back i'll finish.

[Maguspk]

It's a fucking cat. Get over it.

I'm beginning to see a trend here though, we are socialized to sympathize wrongs done against young, ergo innocent, beings, whether they be human or non-human. But, on the other hand, we tend to become desensitized when it comes to older subjects, whether they be human or non-human. This is perplexing to me.

Maybe we don't feel sympathy for the older being because it has had a longer life and we can thusly assume it has done more wrongs?

Or is it a question similar to the abortion question?...Are we simply showing sympathy because the creature can't think far enough in a process to defend itself?...Can it think at all about death? Perhaps we are sympathizing because we are inadvertently aware of the beings situation of comprehension.

[Kaylia]

Maybe we don't feel sympathy for the older being because it has had a longer life and we can thusly assume it has done more wrongs?

the hell? I don't see how any reasoning could lead to that. People would say the same if it happened to a 15 years old or 20 years old cat. People would say the same if they heard about a 70 years old human being tortured and killed

Or is it a question similar to the abortion question?...Are we simply showing sympathy because the creature can't think far enough in a process to defend itself?...Can it think at all about death? Perhaps we are sympathizing because we are inadvertently aware of the beings situation of comprehension.

I think the correct term would be empathy. Because we can understand what the other would feel understand the same circumstance.

[Maguspk]

Maybe we don't feel sympathy for the older being because it has had a longer life and we can thusly assume it has done more wrongs?

the hell? I don't see how any reasoning could lead to that. People would say the same if it happened to a 15 years old or 20 years old cat. People would say the same if they heard about a 70 years old human being tortured and killed

Or is it a question similar to the abortion question?...Are we simply showing sympathy because the creature can't think far enough in a process to defend itself?...Can it think at all about death? Perhaps we are sympathizing because we are inadvertently aware of the beings situation of comprehension.

I think the correct term would be empathy. Because we can understand what the other would feel understand the same circumstance.

Now, now, notice how I posed almost every suggestion as a question, which might imply that it shouldn't be taken as a statement? So yeah, don't flame my post because you disagree with what I said, or don't see the truth in it.

[Kaylia]

You were stating your theory or idea as a question. I don't see the difference between doing that, or simply saying " I think ....". I know it's your opinion, and I disagree with.

In any case, I still don't see how any reasoning or observation could lead to what you implied in your question. Good for you if you have an opinion, but at least, explain the logic that lead you to propose that as a possibility.

[Maguspk]

You were stating your theory or idea as a question. I don't see the difference between doing that, or simply saying " I think ....". I know it's your opinion, and I disagree with.

In any case, I still don't see how any reasoning or observation could lead to what you implied in your question. Good for you if you have an opinion, but at least, explain the logic that lead you to propose that as a possibility.

I was simply providing possible reasons, damn why are you so critical?

[Anyway]

Grats on Diabolos, Magus. 8)