Fanfest Dev Panel #2: Jobs: PUPPETMASTER

[NynJa]

no, monk with black belt, faith torque, a couple merits in mnk...



I'm curious how these monks can easily pull hate. I seriously think your tanks are just retards who dont know how to hold hate... that or you go around with pld/nin's.

[Remus]

I'm curious how you CAN'T pull hate, obviously either all of us are doing something wrong or its just you.

[Lockecole]

no, monk with black belt, faith torque, a couple merits in mnk...



I'm curious how these monks can easily pull hate. I seriously think your tanks are just retards who dont know how to hold hate... that or you go around with pld/nin's.

Ninjas right, if you're pulling hate as a MNK/WAR or /NIN just meleeing your tanks suck. In the case of Limbus and Dynamis you should have NINs in pretty much full DD gear tanking things, or WAR/NINs. The only places a MNK/WAR should be pulling hate is in KRT, or similar bone mobs.

[NynJa]

no, I never said I cant pull hate. I can, I'm just not a retard. My e-peen is in check, I know I'm a god, I dont need to get myself killed in limbus to proove it.

[freja]

So if you're on warrior sub holding back to not pull hate, how's that different from being on ninja sub not holding back and tanking a few blinks before the tank gets hate back?

I seriously doubt there's a huge difference of damage being done overall there. You obviously prefer warrior sub, I prefer ninja. We can either agree to disagree or continue saying the other person is a retarded 4th grade monkey.

[Kaylia]

no, monk with black belt, faith torque, a couple merits in mnk...



I'm curious how these monks can easily pull hate. I seriously think your tanks are just retards who dont know how to hold hate... that or you go around with pld/nin's.

What the hell? War/nin and Mnk/war can easily pull hate off Pld and ninja on mob like fafnir, leave alone limbus monster and various smaller NM. It's not flash or provoke that will keep mob on him after a WS.

It's like saying your PLD can keep the mob away of BLM when they are spamming nuke. DMG made by war and mnk is on par with blm, if not better in certain area.

[NynJa]

So if you're on warrior sub holding back to not pull hate, how's that different from being on ninja sub not holding back and tanking a few blinks before the tank gets hate back?

I seriously doubt there's a huge difference of damage being done overall there.

wtf, you blind ??

I said use common fucking sense. Dont walk up to a mob that a tank hasnt even voked and go "ASURAN IN YO FACE NIGGA".


Save your TP for when its at like 50% or so. Not like its all that difficult since you've got 12 other people dealing dmg to it, you'll get like 4-5 more punches in before its at 50%.

[BRP]

level your fucking mule you noob.

[freja]

I don't mind doing that with nin sub, and tanking an extra fight every once in a while. Helpful if I don't have ninjas with me that run, and we're going with PLD/WAR tanks.

[NynJa]

no !
I'm still working on its fame. I used to have 2 accts, but it got kinda expensive for me, so I had to delete em

[Tom Chambers]

MNK/WAR is fucking retarded at 75 the majority of the time. I'm sorry, it just is. I know it's the bread and butter sub for all melees for most levels, but seriously. For a decked-out 75 MNK it's only marginally better than /DRK.

[Mifaco]

you mnk/nin cocksuckers disgust me.

learn how to control hate, then there's no reason to sub NIN.

[Tom Chambers]

Control hate by turning around? Or by saving til you have 200% TP?

Either way you're better off with /NIN.

[aurik]

I'd rather walk up to a mob at 100% and asuran him in the face and tank him for the full duration of the fight while doing 95% of the damage I would have been doing as /war, without costing any mage mp.

I can go places as mnk/war, I'm gonna take hate anyway after half the mob. If I want to control my hate, I lose a TON of damage: from sitting on TP until 200% every time, or turning around, or delaying engaging, or getting killed and having to endure weakness, in the end I don't end up dealing much more than /nin.

[NynJa]

leave tanking to the tanks and DD to the DD's.
You arent punching stuff if you're too busy casting Utsusemi.



and I've never had stored enough TP away to attain 200+%

[Xavier]

leave tanking to the tanks and DD to the DD's.
You arent punching stuff if you're too busy casting Utsusemi.



and I've never had stored enough TP away to attain 200+%

I didn't know blackmages got h2h skill.

[Not Kuno]

leave tanking to the tanks and DD to the DD's.
You arent punching stuff if you're too busy casting Utsusemi.



and I've never had stored enough TP away to attain 200+%

I didn't know blackmages got h2h skill.

Shit yeah; how else do you think we can use Potato Kick?

[aurik]

leave tanking to the tanks and DD to the DD's.
You arent punching stuff if you're too busy casting Utsusemi.



and I've never had stored enough TP away to attain 200+%

And I'm not punching stuff when I've got my back turned because even at 50% my asuran turns the mob, meanwhile my white mage is blowing me full of cure 5s because my defense is less than that of a black mage.

Even storing an extra 50% TP is a wasted potential of ~300-400 dmg. Do you really think /war adds that much, that you can drop that much damage each tp-ws cycle? I know that's not true. I've tried it. I go everywhere as mnk.

I think you'd find that /nin is very close because we don't have to hold back whatsoever, transitioning seamlessly to tank when we cross the hate line then bleeding off hate slowly by stopping for recasts / losing shadows. Yea, even so /war will outdamage /nin a bit if you play it right, but at the cost of getting mauled after every WS, costing a fortune in MP, and getting fucked up by blinkable aoe/line attacks.

[freja]

leave tanking to the tanks and DD to the DD's.
You arent punching stuff if you're too busy casting Utsusemi.



and I've never had stored enough TP away to attain 200+%

If a mob is down to 15% when you hit 100% tp you probably arent gonna WS. Then you're sitting on that tp for a while next fight cause you dont wanna WS at the start, wait til its down to around 50, then WS.

All the while the nin sub will WS and be building tp toward his next WS.

Would nins be tanks or DD? If tanks, why do they wear DD gear?

Sometimes if everyone shares in the tanking a little bit then the whole group gets by more efficiently. Imagine that.

[Lockecole]

leave tanking to the tanks and DD to the DD's.
You arent punching stuff if you're too busy casting Utsusemi.



and I've never had stored enough TP away to attain 200+%

If a mob is down to 15% when you hit 100% tp you probably arent gonna WS. Then you're sitting on that tp for a while next fight cause you dont wanna WS at the start, wait til its down to around 50, then WS.

All the while the nin sub will WS and be building tp toward his next WS.

Would nins be tanks or DD? If tanks, why do they wear DD gear?

Sometimes if everyone shares in the tanking a little bit then the whole group gets by more efficiently. Imagine that.

Win. Why do you think WAR/NIN PTs work so well?