whats more sad

[Xavier]

Sucks how you can't seem to get help, I was rooting for you and alma to have the first upgraded relic on Sylph, but it seems Dilandau won. Would have been cool for the NA to beat the JP with their 1year~ dynamis start on us (as all NA were about lvl 20-30 or so when it was released).

they did have some advantage but it wasnt a years worth. On our server NA beat JP to first completed weapon.

Main difference is that a lot of JP LSes let currency random out, or only lotted the 100 pieces. Most NA lses took all the currency to a guild bank, or let whoever bought the hourglass keep all the currency.

Its easy to see why NAs could've reached LV5 first, it was a collective effort as opposed to straight-up buying every piece of currency at 10-30k a pop.

[Hirronimus]

You're also forgetting that while JP HNM linkshells split money drop profit among participants, NA linkshells haven't started doing only untill recently, BG being first NA LS that picked up on this trend.

While NA players, at least those who put less effort into making money, walked penniless hanging off LS bank, when JP players prospered working towards HNM money kills, which would explain their drive to camp kings, etc.

[kareface]

1. thax for adding to the post.

My pleasure.

2. no prove

Your right. There will never be enough proof. I can prove that you have lied and that you have the mentality of a gil buyer. But in the end that is purely circumstantial and you can always just lie your way out of it.

3. money came from cutting while waiting for pt from first job drg. hk cluster is easy money for alchemy. i spamed silver bullets and oil at diff times.i already said crafting help my money not main. i never brag about stuff in my sigh haha i lvled crafting for fun before now its hella annoying.

Ah, so you made some money from crafting. But admittedly not enough to account for your billion+ gil. I would have a hard time believing more then 5-10% of that money was from crafting and farming. Stickily because then everyone who had 100 Alc or farmed tree cuttings would be billionaires. Or at least have better equip then they have.

i never brag about stuff in my sigh

So your signature with not one, but two boxes with all of your HQ equip and gil was.... not braging?

4. whenever i get a ls someone always end up getting crushed by my ego so rather not join one -_-;

I don't doubt this for a moment.

5. so basically u want me to tell u how i made big money hahaha. nice try

Yes, that exactly it. That my my ploy all along. Because posting your super secret technique on the largest endgame forum would directly make me profit. Theres no chance that 300 other people from my server would attempt to abuse the exact same resource the instant it became public.

6. as above. but if u ask really really nicely i might tell u!!!

You know what. Why not.

Oh axile, god of all that is holy and profitable. Please, I beg of you... Tell me your mysterious money making techniques so I can write of your name in fokelore so that generations to come will know of your deeds. I bed of you! PLEASE!

So lets hear your big secret...

7. lol i dont see the point in lying about how i DIDNT make the money.

Can someone who speaks axile translate this for me. Or put it into context please. I'm genuinely confused on what he meant here.

8. you always want proof yet you don't have proof -_-;

My proof is simply your own posts. I am taking cliplets from what you have posted and noticed contradictions and impossibilities. My proof is you have unexplained large quantities of gil and you have danced your way around anyone asking about it. I doubt there is anyone on this fourm that can prove that anyone else bought gil. Because the person buying it can lie and deny the facts regardless. I can however prove that have lied about things that you have posted here and people can come to there own conclusions.

9. rofl u talking about attitude? have u been reading the other poeple that posted XD

Yes, they posted here. In the thread you started. If this was a random thread that your name happened to come up in, that would be one thing. But you started this topic. On a forum known widely for drama and trolls. Anyway, the topic of my post wasn't "everyone being mean to the RMT'er", so lets not get ahead of ourselves.

You dont understand how i make more GAME money than u so you are mad right? use ur head and think the solution is so simple lol and if i actully tried to make gil what i have right now would be nothing. take it easy, its a online game, its suppose to be fun. but seeing u talk like this is pretty funny also haha

Just to clarify. I don't care about your money. I am in no ways poor. I am not angry at the fact that you can make money. However, I dislike your attitude. The way you laugh at other people then make no effort to correct the supposed misconceptions. You are arrogant and childish. That alone is enough for me to assume you have the mind-set to RMT.

o i CAN tell u i made over 75mil from selling fire cluster.

The more you come up with fictitious sources of money the easier my job becomes.

This is my last post in this thread. I could care less about a drg that RMT'ed a relic. His posts were just so damn obnoxious I had to say something. For his guilt or innocents, to each there own. I believe his demeanor and lackluster explanations warrant at least a strong suspicion. Congrats on your relic, I honestly hope it was worth the money.

[Hirronimus]

Daym...

[Airshort7]

Knowing Axile makes this all the more funny.

[Boyiee]

Hirro and Xavier both good points and all in all NA and JP completed relics not too far off from one another, at least in some servers.

After the first NA was done on our server a JP finished within the next month.

[axile]

please tell me how you make money

ummm no? haha

4. whenever i get a ls somone always end up getting crushed by my ego so rather not join one -_-;

Hi Axile XD~

Did you sell your osode back in high inflation?

nope.

Why did he say option number 8 before (the none of the above) then a few posts later says he made all his money farming goobbues and clusters?

/huh

divisortheory wrote:
ok, here it is, you got rich by which of the following methods (you may choose more than 1):

1) 1 or more valuable NM drops
2) Farming non-NM mobs
3) Gardening
4) Harvesting, Excavation (lol), Logging, or Mining
5) A friend left and gave you a bunch of gil and/or items
6) A friend didn't leave, but gave you a bunch of gil and/or items anyway
7) Crafting
More than one of the above
9) None of the above.


i must have to go with 8. but my main money maker isnt there. 1 and 2 pretty major too. got some good money from 7 as well

none of the above is #9

[axile]

75 mil off of fire clusters...lets do the math here

at a going rate of 5k constantly, you would need to have accumulated 15,000 fire clusters. This is a conservative estimate, because fire clusters on my server go from 3-5k. Subtract the amount of gil needed to put that in AH, and that puts the number closer to 15,625. Divide that by 7 and you get ~2200. Unless you have had 7 fire clusters on sale everday for 2200 days, I'm going to have to call bullshit.

at times cluster up to 10k and never drop below 4k i use 6k to calculate. which is only 12500 cluster. i get 100 cluster a day atlease thats only 125 days 4months lol

[Xavier]

You're also forgetting that while JP HNM linkshells split money drop profit among participants, NA linkshells haven't started doing only untill recently, BG being first NA LS that picked up on this trend.

While NA players, at least those who put less effort into making money, walked penniless hanging off LS bank, when JP players prospered working towards HNM money kills, which would explain their drive to camp kings, etc.

I sure as hell walked around penniless until we started doing splits.

I think its important to note that JP players also had a huge headstart on crafting, and materials were a lot cheaper at the time too. On Bahamut, people like Silverlight were able to get 100 GS first, and then competely monoplize the market.

at times cluster up to 10k and never drop below 4k i use 6k to calculate. which is only 12500 cluster. i get 100 cluster a day atlease thats only 125 days 4months lol

Did you farm your fire crystals in Hell?

Being a drg, I'm sure that the majority of your days were spent seeking for party while farming, but thats still a lot of time killing fire elementals.

[Boyiee]

divisortheory didnt include RMT on his list, so i guess it was really RMT haha.

but seriously with enough mules and time spent things can happen. I wouldnt be able to sit there and kill ele's all day though.

[Eternus]

Doesn't have fishbotting either... some of the richest people on our server funded their crafts or just bought tons of shit through fish botting. Maybe some of you only fish botted 5 mil or whatever.. most of the people I know did 5 mil in a week or less lmao. If fishbotting isn't that looked down upon.. wonder why I rejected taking those bots from my friends over 2 years ago. Either that or he has alot of money to RMT with.. which is actually even more pathetic.

[axile]

You're also forgetting that while JP HNM linkshells split money drop profit among participants, NA linkshells haven't started doing only untill recently, BG being first NA LS that picked up on this trend.

While NA players, at least those who put less effort into making money, walked penniless hanging off LS bank, when JP players prospered working towards HNM money kills, which would explain their drive to camp kings, etc.

I sure as hell walked around penniless until we started doing splits.

I think its important to note that JP players also had a huge headstart on crafting, and materials were a lot cheaper at the time too. On Bahamut, people like Silverlight were able to get 100 GS first, and then competely monoplize the market.

at times cluster up to 10k and never drop below 4k i use 6k to calculate. which is only 12500 cluster. i get 100 cluster a day atlease thats only 125 days 4months lol

Did you farm your fire crystals in Hell?

Being a drg, I'm sure that the majority of your days were spent seeking for party while farming, but thats still a lot of time killing fire elementals.

basically kill 2 birds with 1 stone. pting take too long. soloing can go whenever i want and afk whenever i want. i got the merit to prove but u can just say i manaburnt it or somthing lol.

[Plow]

75 mil off of fire clusters...lets do the math here

at a going rate of 5k constantly, you would need to have accumulated 15,000 fire clusters. This is a conservative estimate, because fire clusters on my server go from 3-5k. Subtract the amount of gil needed to put that in AH, and that puts the number closer to 15,625. Divide that by 7 and you get ~2200. Unless you have had 7 fire clusters on sale everday for 2200 days, I'm going to have to call bullshit.

o lu shang rly

[epigram]

1. 1 * 10 ^ 9 gil / (6 * 10 ^ 3 gil/cluster) = 1.67 * 10 ^ 5 clusters
2. 1.67 * 10 ^ 5 clusters / (1 * 10 ^2 clusters/day) = 1.67 * 10 ^ 3 days
3. 1.67 * 10 ^ 3 days / (365 day/year) = 4.57 years

it would take you 4.57 years to acquire 1 * 10 ^ 9 gil from 6,000gil fire clusters at the rate of 100 clusters every day.

This is assuming you wouldn't absolutely undercut the market to sell 100 a day.

Furthermore:

If you killed 3 elementals every 30min, never slept, never muled all these crystals. You could make 288 clusters a day.

So in 1.6 years you could make a billion gil, assuming you never slept, ate went to the bathroom, showered, went to school (which is possible in your case), posted on BG, etc...

[Hiryo]

Lol yea, this is really funny Airshort.

For those who don't believe it, i have seen him solo fire clusters in sky for HOOOOUUUUUURRRRRRSSSSSSS at a time, so I have no doubt he made 75mil from it.

[Boyiee]

judging by logic, i would disagree but whatever lol

[Raineer]

IT'S A FUCKING DRAGOON

[Xavier]

Technically, back when light crystals used to go for an absurd price, I knew some blms who would farm the elements in sky for hours at a time, but, Raineer said it best;

IT'S A FUCKING DRAGOON

[Hirronimus]

You should take visual comprehension lessons Raineer. His second equipment pallet was for BLM 75 in his sig before he removed.

[epigram]

It really doesn't add up. Even if the clusters were 15k each he would need to farm 8 hours a day EVERY DAY for a year to get 500mil.

At the same time it is HIGHLY unlikely to sell that many crystals per day without flooding the marker, or even from a strictly logistical perspective you would be muling for a good 2hours using multiple accounts.

He may of obtained several million this way but the argument doesn't hold a lot of water. In addition he has purchased several very expensive items beyond just relic so the facts just don't add up.

The multitude of 7 post wonders that defend him is kinda pathetic, maybe if someone with actual credibility would post and clarify things I would be a little more convinced with this guys statements.

Edit: Slight Gramatical Changes