AV is up on Odin.. apparently out of MP & stopped 2hr-in

[Fira]

shrug, a kill is a kill, even if it is a exploit. like, when faf bugged out after that patch and wouldnt melee people, were they just suppose to leave and come back untill it did? or gm call it untill they fixed it? hell no lol.

[Janice]

Those people that mind can direct their complaints to SE in Japan, then. They didn't hack the code, they were just dealing with the game as it is presented. Don't blame them.

Or they can call a GM.

[Fira]

If they did infact call a GM, wouldn't they have to give them like a 5minute blah to begin fighting him correctly? Just like if some one is holding?

[Janice]

No clue, I've never called a gm or have been contacted by a gm regarding this matter. I was just following tom chambers' suggestion that if someone thinks what happened at AV is an exploit, they should tell SE about it (a GM).

[NynJa]

ok, lets resolve this once and for all.
Who knows best the difference between right and wrong: Rentacop (GM) or supreme court (POL) ??

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HAY GUYZ ITZ AN EXPLOIT, A SUSPENDABLE/BANNABLE ONE TOO LAWL

[Surealistic]

so bg would stop fighting AV if they had him at 50% to call a gm to let them know they were exploiting the terrain? i seriously doubt that

[Rocl]

so bg would stop fighting AV if they had him at 50% to call a gm to let them know they were exploiting the terrain? i seriously doubt that

But everyone and their mother in Sea would call GM

[Fira]

shrug id do it if i could, who the fuck cares, it takes gms like 45mins+ to respond so that should be more then enough time lol

[masag0]

i agree its an exploit.

in the nearing patches, if the wall wasn't meant to be used, SE will change the al'teau map or give AV draw in. the GM's were there watching us fight that day. SE already knows. enough posts about exploitation.

We only got AV to 52% because it was in 1st form. Once it got to 52% ish it turned into 2nd form and got 2hr, and wynav summoning abilities back. hence it used benediction and it got its HP back. After 2nd form no matter what we did, it just kept using benediction.

Without the wall, im pretty sure there is no way LB can beat the 1st form, because we CFH and its Aero ability came back.
We have no idea what caused it to use its ability to use 2hr, or summoning wynavs. We have no idea what cuased it to stop casting spells.

If LB popped AV again and pulled it to the wall immediately. Perhaps we would not be able to even beat the 1st form again. If you dont get rid of its 2hr then by the time you get its HP near 52% again it would pop benediction again.

Right now the key for all LS's to find out how to disable its abilities at each form. I'm predicting there are 3 forms. LB could not beat the 2nd form.

Looking back now LB thinks it may have to do with surround mobs, UFO's or Aerns.

If the wall is an exploit and unintended, and SE changes al'teau map, and does not nerf AV, which is quite possible, then we must find out how to disable AV's abilities. If AV's 2hr is removed, its wynav summoning is removed, and its magic abiltiies are removed, then its just a byakko bascially with high regen. You can use RNG / BLM strat to kill it, or use the wall if its still viable.

I won't say AV was designed to be unfeatable yet.

If this AV will not be nerft in the future, nor the wall, what I think SE intended for AV was:


1 POP AV

2 Use RNG to keep AV isolated.

3 Remove AV's 2hr abilties

4 Remove AV's summoning wyvern ability, this may be same as step 3

5 Remove AV's Aero casting abilities.

6 Take AV down to 50-60% to become 2nd form. Av will use benediction now

7 Repeat Steps 2-5

8 Take AV down to an unknown HP % AV will use benediction now

9 Repeat Steps 2-5

10 Take AV to 0% HP.



If it were not for the wall we would not have known about the 2nd form. However if we find out how to remove its abiltiies, we can take him to 2nd form without using the wall.

Other HNM LS's need to find out how remove the abilities. As for LB we are going to wait for next patch and maybe try killing the UFO's in al'teau and the aerns.

As for the wall, its very useful, but once we find out how to disable the abilities, we dont need it to win. We couldn't even win with the wall. I'd trade the wall for knowledge on how to remove AV's 2hr , summoning wynav, and Aero casting abilities, because we can isolate AV fine with just RNGs.

[Kicoe]

it was kinda funny how we found the wall, everyone was about to wipe at our old spot where we fought it, when orfeo and me decided to get our tactic pearl for npc =o so we kinda left, we've been very tired and stuff, so orfeo went tele-dem, i stayed, was afk w/e.. then i got told to come to the wall..i was south, and from north orfeo was able to target me, and cure me np, then i pulled a dolphin, orfeo could cast slow on it.. then we knew this could work maybe, so i told masago and we got it to 51 that way .. ><

[Janice]

so bg would stop fighting AV if they had him at 50% to call a gm to let them know they were exploiting the terrain? i seriously doubt that

Since when does BG get involved in this? I'm one person. If BG did this I would leave and never look back.

[othellojr]

so bg would stop fighting AV if they had him at 50% to call a gm to let them know they were exploiting the terrain? i seriously doubt that

Since when does BG get involved in this? I'm one person. If BG did this I would leave and never look back.

God are you still crying about exploit? Seriously, stfu, since you seem to be stuck on how "bad" using the wall was. Fact is, AV is broken, LB did an amazing thing getting it down that far, and by them doing so, they did not affect your playability of this game; nor does it affect you in any way whatsoever, so you already posted you don't agree with it, fine, stfu already and move on, no need for you to repeat the same stupid shit every chance you get. Would be great to just read about the fight, not more dumbass posts from you about "omg you guys cheated by using that wall exploit!!! you should be ashamed, and I know I would never agree with it!".

[NynJa]

shrug id do it if i could, who the fuck cares, it takes gms like 45mins+ to respond so that should be more then enough time lol

Takes GM's like 2 minutes to reply to someone when its about me...



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2:48 EST : Jailed and suspended, 2 days later I check my accustomary "suspension POL email", and my harassing message showed the first search comment, which was up for no more than 2 minutes.

<3 french GM's.

[Janice]

so bg would stop fighting AV if they had him at 50% to call a gm to let them know they were exploiting the terrain? i seriously doubt that

Since when does BG get involved in this? I'm one person. If BG did this I would leave and never look back.

God are you still crying about exploit? Seriously, stfu, since you seem to be stuck on how "bad" using the wall was. Fact is, AV is broken, LB did an amazing thing getting it down that far, and by them doing so, they did not affect your playability of this game; nor does it affect you in any way whatsoever, so you already posted you don't agree with it, fine, stfu already and move on, no need for you to repeat the same stupid shit every chance you get. Would be great to just read about the fight, not more dumbass posts from you about "omg you guys cheated by using that wall exploit!!! you should be ashamed, and I know I would never agree with it!".

I have the right to say whatever the hell i want. You say I keep saying the same shit over and over. Someone brought up a new point saying that this is no different than how people handle DL and AB so I responded saying it is very different.

AV is broken, and I'm glad they kept it up for 30 hours. In fact, I'm glad they did this whole wall thing so they will prevent that from happening again and while they are at it, they might actually fix the fucking mob too. If the mob wasn't broken, chances are they would have beat it without resorting to hiding behind the wall.

[Ladyeve]

Shuvo talked about gathering mobs outside and CFH on them so that blms etc can dmg them by doing aoe's. Originally, another LS member Kmstr and I were talking about this before JOL fight was planned. He mentioned that strat to me and I thought hm it makes sense, haha so his though of strat sorta worked and sorta didn't . We tried this already on the south part of the map where we pulled it to in that same morning. The CFH mobs didn't live long enough for every single ga spell to go off =/. We also tried to time the first set of agas and then do full out nuke one after another non stop to see how much we can actually do. We managed to pull it down to about 96-95% hp only and AV went psycho mode hunting each and one of us down -_-;.

[Ayu]

LimitBreak came up with the strategy to get AV stuck in a wall, but it was fixed by a GM.

This is because another LS on odin called a GM to "GET AV OUT OF THE WALL!"
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ok so Cds is this guy who got into a fight with a LB member awhile back... we all used to be friends... /sigh I mean is AV! its just so stupid...

Cds is a FUCKING pussy!!

[Lordwafik]

so bg would stop fighting AV if they had him at 50% to call a gm to let them know they were exploiting the terrain? i seriously doubt that

Since when does BG get involved in this? I'm one person. If BG did this I would leave and never look back.

I cant seriously you'd leave a LS of friends and fun, for using a game topology exploit.



/shrug

The thing has been in the game forever, and to defeat something on this scale, in it's "Broken" state is greater than defeating it when it's nerfed.

I, aswell as a large majority of people who play, would rather see AV defeated by any means possible (not using third party tools), than to see it keep running around at 98% spamming tornado2 and meteor.

In my opinion, of course.


DL strategy ivolves chainspell stun, that could technically be considered an exploit, since you're preventing him from doing anything at all, unless he gets lucky. However it's looked at as a strategy rather than the exploitation of a certain job combination.
Same goes for Rangers shadowbinding chainspelling/hundred fist monsters (Sky gods). Preventing them from being able to attack anything while using it's 2hour is considered strategy, would you consider it exploit?

Would you consider running away from throat stab and smite of rage so you become "Too far away" as strategy or exploit? They're obviously not meant to be outran(SE doesnt design fights outside of your attack radius), they're meant to be stunned.

[Genosync]

Newsflash:

What if that was the way they intended people to kill it?

So stop your stupid BS that you'd quit BG if they did that, because you don't even know if that's supposed to be the way it's done or not.

[chilicheese]

i hope cds and zicdeh are content with doing sky for the rest of their FFXI days on odin.

[Shuvo]

Shuvo talked about gathering mobs outside and CFH on them so that blms etc can dmg them by doing aoe's. Originally, another LS member Kmstr and I were talking about this before JOL fight was planned. He mentioned that strat to me and I thought hm it makes sense, haha so his though of strat sorta worked and sorta didn't . We tried this already on the south part of the map where we pulled it to in that same morning. The CFH mobs didn't live long enough for every single ga spell to go off =/. We also tried to time the first set of agas and then do full out nuke one after another non stop to see how much we can actually do. We managed to pull it down to about 96-95% hp only and AV went psycho mode hunting each and one of us down -_-;.

It might have been more successful if you didn't CFH. So have all the blm/smn (and melee using AOE ws that do decent dmg) form individual parties of 3-4, each with their own mob. After AV hits 55% or so, the main alliance pulls it to the slept mobs (which would all be on top of eachother), then disengage so it goes unclaimed. Then immiedietly the outside team unleash all the AOE they have onto their mobs. The mobs wouldn't die immiedietly cause they'd only be taking damage from the respective party (as they were claimed), however AV would take full dmg as it would be unclaimed.

Ooof course you'd need about 40 blm and 10 smn to pull this off soo.. <_<;