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  1. #61
    Hydra
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    Quote Originally Posted by layoneil
    Quote Originally Posted by Krandor
    There won't be any level cap zones in ToA iirc, though I guess you could go learn TP moves in CoP zones (Mortal Ray @_@; )
    you'll get it and it'll miss 90% of the time.

    if BLU can get the Empty WS that gives you 13213 shadows it will be the next tank job.
    can't you learn it in the Range anyways?

  2. #62
    The God Damn Kuno
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    If you can only get Mob abilities when you exp, who would really level the job when it first comes out? Not all mobs give exp at 75, and they said they wont release all WS for stealing until later. So if you pass up some great WSes while leveling you're fucked. ;x

  3. #63
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    i'm guessing the low lvl ones will be released first honestly. Then they will introduce the ones from HNMs later and shit.

  4. #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eromenos-Ifrit
    i'm guessing the low lvl ones will be released first honestly. Then they will introduce the ones from HNMs later and shit.
    this would be great, especially if there is any hope in using it as a Tank. Maybe could learn Draw-in to replace the need for /war. Or maybe even /war anyway and have 2-3 instant hate moves (provoke warcry drawin). I dunno, i guess it would be kinda neat though farfetched. Im just eating up the idea of another tank job.

  5. #65
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    I wonder if there will be any pointless NMs that serve no purpose other than to have a unique skill no other mob has, for a BLU to try to learn. No drops, just uses some rare skill.

  6. #66
    The God Damn Kuno
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khamsin
    I wonder if there will be any pointless NMs that serve no purpose other than to have a unique skill no other mob has, for a BLU to try to learn. No drops, just uses some rare skill.
    omg Black Triple Stars

  7. #67
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    Low level WS to learn:

    Full-Force Blow (Worm strong Physical damage, 1 target)

    Gastric Bomb (Worm atk down, 1 target)

    MP Absorbtion (Worm MP drain, 1 target)

    Bomb Toss (Goblin AoE fire Damage)

    Jet Stream (Bats Single target triple attack)

    Head Butt/Sheep Charge (Sheep strong physical damage, 1 target)

    Pollen (Bee, TP-Based HP recovery, self)

    Helldive (Bird, Strong Physical Damage, 1 target)

    Screwdriver (Pugil Strong Physical Damage, 1 target)


    Not many good buffs out there, there is a berserk one, and some def+ ones, but these are the ones im looking for :33333

  8. #68
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khamsin
    Mobs that do not have a non-NM version EP+ at 75:

    Cardian
    Clot
    Bugard
    Detector
    Dragon (Shadow Dragon is the only non-NM dragon)
    Flytrap
    Treant
    Uragnite
    Warmachine

    + all the mobs that you can only find in level capped zones.
    My own additions/corrections to the list.
    There are flytraps in A01 that are around EM, but good catch with the detectors.

  9. #69
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    you'd think the writers of that article could come up with a better way to phrase this:

    Blue Mages gain their abilities through a method called "Acquisition."

  10. #70
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    it's probably the name of a 10 minute JA, target the mob, use it on the mob, kill it, get XP, "acquire" one random mob WS that was used in the previous fight.

  11. #71
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    yeah but who cares if some of the cool abilities comes from NMs. you still get exp from high lvl NMs doncha? lol.

  12. #72
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    Quote Originally Posted by layoneil
    it's probably the name of a 10 minute JA, target the mob, use it on the mob, kill it, get XP, "acquire" one random mob WS that was used in the previous fight.
    I'm sure it is, I just thought the wording was kinda funny heh

  13. #73
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kuno
    If you can only get Mob abilities when you exp, who would really level the job when it first comes out? Not all mobs give exp at 75, and they said they wont release all WS for stealing until later. So if you pass up some great WSes while leveling you're fucked. ;x
    i can't think of any one mob type where the highest tier one doesn't give XP to 75.

  14. #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by layoneil
    i can't think of any one mob type where the highest tier one doesn't give XP to 75.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ichthyos
    Quote Originally Posted by Khamsin
    Mobs that do not have a non-NM version EP+ at 75:

    Cardian
    Clot
    Bugard
    Detector
    Dragon (Shadow Dragon is the only non-NM dragon)
    Flytrap
    Treant
    Uragnite
    Warmachine

    + all the mobs that you can only find in level capped zones.
    My own additions/corrections to the list.
    There are flytraps in A01 that are around EM, but good catch with the detectors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not Kuno
    If you can only get Mob abilities when you exp, who would really level the job when it first comes out? Not all mobs give exp at 75, and they said they wont release all WS for stealing until later. So if you pass up some great WSes while leveling you're fucked. ;x
    Reminds me of FF6.

  16. #76
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    omg , can spike flail be learnt , it will be interesting ... =D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahkow
    omg , can spike flail be learnt , it will be interesting ... =D
    Only if XP mobs can use spike flail...

    Example.... melee RDM behind the mob? Not refreshing? SATA TIME!

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    Dont think it said the move had to be used during the battle for the BLU to learn it? Though it would be pretty silly. Maybe watch an idiot LS wipe to Fafnir then take it?>.>

    I think the biggest issue for Blue Mage is the fact alot of stuff is AoE ; ;

  19. #79
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    I thought BLU had to survive the fight in order to obtain new ability/spell. Dying during fight nullifies attained ability/spell and prevents you from learning, unless mob repeats it.

    Don't see many BLUs living thru Spike Flail and than killing Wyrm to obtain it. Maybe in some weird fluke cases.

  20. #80
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    you need to have survived the move. they specifically said you can't learn it if you're dead, so that makes learning flail a bit more complicated. i.e., do you need to have taken damage from the move and have lived? or can you blink it and still learn it?

    guess we'll see

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