Merc. Kris questions

[Ohemgee]

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[Eternus]

Yay for mob types weak to piercing damage. Where are the mobs with a 50% dmg bonus for slashing dmg haha..... then 300 TP Spiral Hell with SATA would be better. Seriously it is good to have at least one THF in a HNM alliance for SCs and of course TH, hate control is a bonus. THF do give HNM alot of TP compared to BLM nukes.. that and BLM sub a mage job so they can actually fucking cure themselves and cast stoneskin instead of being a manasponge melee that eats AOEs and begs for cures.

[Ohemgee]

Yeah but then again, its still sexy.

[Flash]

for exp the kris is better for thf, in a pt of well geared thf's the only one with the kris was outdamaging us by a fair margin. Just my experience, i do thf pt's quite a bit.

[Magicker]

According to a pair of thfs I merit with regularly, there's no way merc. kris will out-damage blau dolch/sirocco kukri on a thf with capped triple attack merits and AF2 feet.

My thf is low level, so I can't comment firsthand, but parsing an hour with one using blau/sirocco and then an hour with the same one using blau/merc kris, he was about 3% higher in the overall party dmg without the kris. Maybe they're not using their sneak and tricks effectively, maybe their specific setup is just conducive to slower, higher dmg daggers (and it's rather amusing because "slower" is referring to a sirocco kukri...), but I'd have to say if it's not an overpowered weapon, I wouldn't pay the 30 mil it costs on Valefor, let alone the horror stories I hear from other servers.

Also kind of on topic, I merit as war in lufaise all the time, joyeuse/tatami shield ftw. Won't out-damage a good thf or mnk, but I blow away anyone else I've partied with there, including ridill war. Have the brd minuet+march (probably should be anyway in lufaise) and go hundred fists on everything with the piercing bonus. Sad when a 35 dmg sword (with sword merits) can deal damage per hit on par with a 50 dmg axe, but that's just how it is in lufaise, so oh well.

[Heian]

No offense Priran but Tooshay would smoke your ass damage wise outside of KRT.

Again, I look at Merc. Kris just like people look at Unji + Unsho. The numbers are there, DPS wise, with the same gear and merits. Sccorri / Fudo + Senji. will do more WS damage and damage per hit. Problem is you have to look at difference in WS damage vs. how fast you can WS with one set against the others.

To me Sccorri and Fudo + Unji have going for them is the 100% Additional Effect and the +9% Crit. Rate respectively.

My argument with the daggers and katanas is have the same person in the same gear use both for one hour in a PT with a parser on, and that should speak for its self. Although the Katanas are a little easier to come by than Merc. Kris and Sccorri.

[XxSlusherxx]

Hah i doubt you could even come as close as I did. Go pt with the best equiped/set up war (well moochi maybe beats him slightly on gear) on your server then come back to me. With a bard war dmg will never be outdone.
He doesnt use axe there, uses joyeuse/ridill (since joy is piercing dmg) and can constantly hit birds for over 100 damage. So before you try to critisize go pt with an uber war, not some average one.

Also werent you the ones saying you could outparse people by far on deco weapons then got your ass handed to you in comparison? Im not talking about some gimp war you pick randomly. Pretty much the only 4 wars I pt with are extremely well geared.

If by "ass handed to you" you mean a war with more merits and essentially done his gear beat me by a good bit then yeah. I was closer to the monk than the monk was to the war, but man my ass totally got handed to me, considering the mnk was top on gear/merits as well and monk is also a super DD... (and I beat the nin)

Joyeuse is piercing dmg but it's still a Slashing weapon for WS's. With just a piercing bonus I would be up there with a good war, with them at -35% dmg there really should be no way they're higher than me.

And I can beat average war's and mnk's, and with the dmg bonus/penalties on birds honestly there should be no reason to get beat. +25% for thf and -35% for war is such a huge difference. If I do get into a party with a war I'd prefer to do U.Range and Sky anyway, I'd rather go against them in an open contest, despite me not being near-complete my gear yet, more fun trying.

As for the topic at hand: I'll eventually get an M.Kris but I won't be paying much for it, I like my Blau/Sirocco so I'm just going to stick with that. Thf has poor dmg vs mob given to tp already, M.Kris just makes that so much worse.

lol Sneak attack on a "done" thf in luface does about 500-700 lets do apples/apples why don't we. war is good, but a good thf in luface is unreal.

EDIT: FUCK necro.... sorry wasen't paying attention.

[Priran]

No offense Priran but Tooshay would smoke your ass damage wise outside of KRT.

If by "outside KRT" you mean "Lufaise", then yeah, I agree. Not that I go there. Or was talking about limit parties.

[Twolves]

people bring thfs to merit partys? o_o

[macbain24]

thf's do really well in lufaise lol

[Slott]

explain a done thief? I severely doubt anyone doing a standalone sneak attack for 500-700 unless my gear is suddenly horrible horribly off. (in which case i still severely doubt the 700)

Been a while since I've exp'd there, but I typically do 350-450ish?(i think, maybe 500ish tops?) dancing edge for 550-1000 (standalone, no sa or ta) TA for 250-350ish i think. But a 700 damage sa? unless thats a SA+TA stacked i call bullshit.

Oh and to the person looking for slash bonus mobs, give me a break lol, I think demons and weapons, the 2 exp alternatives, are both strong vs pierce

[Changz]

explain a done thief? I severely doubt anyone doing a standalone sneak attack for 500-700 unless my gear is suddenly horrible horribly off. (in which case i still severely doubt the 700)

Don't know how to break it to you, but it's pretty easy to break 500 with SA only in Lufaise. SA+TA can break 1k...

[Lockecole]

explain a done thief? I severely doubt anyone doing a standalone sneak attack for 500-700 unless my gear is suddenly horrible horribly off. (in which case i still severely doubt the 700)

Don't know how to break it to you, but it's pretty easy to break 500 with SA only. SA+TA can break 1k...

Full Heca, AF1+1 hands, Red Curry, Minuet x2 and MAYBE you're breaking 1k on a SATA. Would have to also have Dia II, Choke and a higher base damage weapon then Blau to reach that cap (I think, maybe not.)

[Slott]

ah attack food, dont typically bother with it. I use sushi.

However, im not saying its hard to break 500, however, that guy said 700 dmg sa... which i don't find realistic, but maybe with attack food instead ;o

I used full heca, blau etc... heh

[Eaglestrike]

I think for SA to break 500 on a bird you only need Dex around 120 (easy to do...) and capped attack (not as easy, but possible).

[vudoodoodoo]

Screen shots please.

[Russta]

I don't know about the numbers, because I'm usually the Bard with filters on, but seeing four decent Thieves at work in Lufaise is a sight to behold. I've never been a fan of Thief yet I've never wanted to level a job based on something so small in all my game time. I actually did a party there yesterday with a Ninja and three Rangers and it was tragic how much their damage paled in comparison. If you thought you know mob tp gain though wait until a 4x Thief party to be re-educated

[Hirronimus]

I've never wanted to level ...something so small in all my game time.

Edited to be taken out of context.

Says someone who plays 3 foot tall character. Anyways, you should finish your DRK Russta, you're half way there.

[XxSlusherxx]

I don't know about the numbers, because I'm usually the Bard with filters on, but seeing four decent Thieves at work in Lufaise is a sight to behold. I've never been a fan of Thief yet I've never wanted to level a job based on something so small in all my game time. I actually did a party there yesterday with a Ninja and three Rangers and it was tragic how much their damage paled in comparison. If you thought you know mob tp gain though wait until a 4x Thief party to be re-educated

I was talking About Someah in my Post. Russta I'm sure knows who that is, and can say I'm probly not lying. I belive (I'm not posative) her SA gear is, Heca+1 head/hands/feet, dragon body/legs. I know her mainhand is P.Harpe, I'd be guessing if I named any more of her gear besideds Raja's.

[Russta]

I've never wanted to level ...something so small in all my game time.

Edited to be taken out of context.

Says someone who plays 3 foot tall character. Anyways, you should finish your DRK Russta, you're half way there.

I don't even remember the last time I mentioned anywhere I had Dark Knight leveled...