question about bahamuth v.2

[Confuse]

TH doesn't stack iirc

[Stanislav]

To share some personal experience with TH..
When we go to dynamis we used to put them with melee and never got shit, but we added THFs to the BLMs pts now since they get the kill shots and our drops have been better since.. Same for baha

[divisortheory]

I forgot about that, but isnt Thief knife really crappy? 2 TH2 sound better than 1 TH4

1 TH4 sounds better to me. In fact, 1 TH4 sounds better than a full alliance of thieves to me.

[Hirronimus]

To share some personal experience with TH..
When we go to dynamis we used to put them with melee and never got shit, but we added THFs to the BLMs pts now since they get the kill shots and our drops have been better since.. Same for baha

You know why? You know why? Because the system calculates original statue which spawns multiple mobs as the orginator of Treasure Pool. Who kills statues? B.L.M. Amirite?

[Stanislav]

thats been a theory too lol

[NynJa]

How can you not have TH4 if the thief are outside? I was talking about inviting multiple thief anyway

It's level capped outside the bc. You don't go to Monarch Linn.

I forgot about that, but isnt Thief knife really crappy? 2 TH2 sound better than 1 TH4

That wont work regardless...

[Hirronimus]

Your mule's name is Conan O'Brian? I guess it's ok considering. Happy Saint Paties. :D

[DrObvious]

I forgot about that, but isnt Thief knife really crappy? 2 TH2 sound better than 1 TH4

Yeah, I don't see how you would be able to add a party outside the bc from inside anyway so that idea shouldn't work.

[Tahngarthor]

what's the drop rate on that staff?

[Jamacian|God]

RDM/DRK x2 is what we use in BC.. and they dispel fine, but our RDM are max enfeebling

i wouldnt recommend repacling BLM for SC.. its less reliable
and the SMN in tank PT helps for Dream Shroud its 10% off Gigaflare
and u need SMN to BP Vrtra so it wastes some charms on the pet

Dispel seems to resist about 50% of the time when he has shell up, regardless of enfeebling skill. My enfeebling on rdm is only in 320's but we have another rdm in 340's that was still getting resist when Bahamut was buffed with shell. Which is annoying, because the only way to get rid of it is to dispel it

Also, smn may be nice but it's definitely not necessary, can easily replace with another blm or something. If your blm are good, and they use ES on Vrtra, you shouldn't have to worry about charm.

[Stanislav]

an elvaan rdm/whm had problems dispeling bahamut he shifted to /blm and he was fine

[Kaylia]

I forgot about that, but isnt Thief knife really crappy? 2 TH2 sound better than 1 TH4

That wont work regardless...

I was just asking, get over it. It's not like I spent my time inviting people when I'm inside the battlefield to see if you can.

[masag0]

ive been trying to convince my shell to use the recommend set up:

PLD/NIN WHM WHM RDM/DRK BRD SMN (Tank PT)
RDM/DRK BLM BLM BLM BLM BRD
BLM BLM BLM WHM RDM PLD/NIN (Tanks Wyms)

however they claim skillchain MB is better than manaburn.

they want to replace 1 blm with a melee and let him use sleeping pots
they want to have the pld/nin that is tanking wyrms use sleeping pots

then the melee + pld/nin will skill chain for all 4 wyrms.

any comment on which is better? manaburn or skillchainMB?

[Stellar]

"an elvaan rdm/whm had problems dispeling bahamut he shifted to /blm and he was fine"

Why would sub effect how dispel lands? Or are u talking about just once per 10 minutes with elemental seal?

[RKenshin]

I made a small post about Bahamut V2 on my LJ not too long ago that may be helpful, it's primarly from a tanking perpsective and offering mostly advice on how to approach tanking it. It outlines all of his physical and magic-based attacks as well.

I'm thinking it's mostly stuff you already know, since I wrote it more for people that never did the BC before... But figured I'd link it here anyway in case there was something you didn't know.

http://rukenshin.livejournal.com/

Click on the Bahamut Cut and scroll down to see the info.. Not really 56k friendly, as a warning.

[Ish]

ive been trying to convince my shell to use the recommend set up:

PLD/NIN WHM WHM RDM/DRK BRD SMN (Tank PT)
RDM/DRK BLM BLM BLM BLM BRD
BLM BLM BLM WHM RDM PLD/NIN (Tanks Wyms)

however they claim skillchain MB is better than manaburn.

they want to replace 1 blm with a melee and let him use sleeping pots
they want to have the pld/nin that is tanking wyrms use sleeping pots

then the melee + pld/nin will skill chain for all 4 wyrms.

any comment on which is better? manaburn or skillchainMB?

manaburn

[NynJa]

I forgot about that, but isnt Thief knife really crappy? 2 TH2 sound better than 1 TH4

That wont work regardless...

I was just asking, get over it. It's not like I spent my time inviting people when I'm inside the battlefield to see if you can.

Do you honestly think TH works if the thieves are across the fucking map ?!?

[Tom Chambers]

I was under the impression that TH only worked if"

A) The THF was on the mobs hate list, no matter how small.

B) The THF is in the party that kills the mob.

Are either (or both) of these wrong?

[Roranora]

A correct
B wrong

Assuming TH becomes present under the same condition gilfinder does, the thf has to take any action on the mob, be it a missed attack, mug, steal, bloody bolt, 5kdmg WS. Testing gilfinder is easily done on any mob that drops a constant gil amount. Have that thf afk all you want in the same pt and you'll never get more gil. Have the thf take an action in another party in the same ally and you will.

[Lordwafik]

A correct
B wrong

Assuming TH becomes present under the same condition gilfinder does, the thf has to take any action on the mob, be it a missed attack, mug, steal, bloody bolt, 5kdmg WS. Testing gilfinder is easily done on any mob that drops a constant gil amount. Have that thf afk all you want in the same pt and you'll never get more gil. Have the thf take an action in another party in the same ally and you will.

Gilfinder isnt like TH, it's affected by Party, not allience.

Very noticable when you have to make parties for dynamis, it's the difference between leaving with 200 coins and 4 AF2, or 600 coins and 21 AF2.

Also tried it out on Fafnir for a long time, stuck 2 thf, 1 in melee pt, 1 in blm pt, anytime those 2 parties got a kill, a greater treasure pool appeared.

Also, SE said it themselves in the last interview that the thf needs to be in the party.