AV @ Remora

[aers]

Stuck in the wall, stuck on one side of the wall, stuck up your ass....

It doesn't matter where it is stuck, it matters that it is stuck and unable to get to you at all.

Right, so the meteor that killed all the blms followed by the aeroga 4 that re-killed all of them followed by the aero 5 that killed elvaant followed by the eagle eye shot that killed elvaant AGAIN didnt hit them.

IF THEY HAD NOT FOUND A WAY TO REMOVE IT'S 2-HRS AND SPELLS THIS WALL STRAT WOULD NOT WORK.

No, it didn't run out of MP, I saw someone hit a 130 MP aspir when it was at around 30%.

[TheLegendaryCravy]

I like how everyone still just assumes it's a broken mob. Until the most recent patch it only popped about once a month (sup Pandy server) and after the first couple, people were just letting it despawn. LB is the only LS I've seen ever actually try to find a way to fight it. Even though they ended up discovering and implementing the wall exploit, they did have him up for a very long time and play with him quite a bit.

It's been said a million times before, but remember when DL was "broken"? Or how about Kirin, or Steam Cleaner, or Brigandish Blade? Guess what, those weren't broken, it just took people time to figure them out. Enough people really haven't put forth the effort to figure out how to fight AV. That's really all there is to it being "broken."

I bet the biggest reason why no one has answered how to stop AV's SP/magic/etc. is because it hasn't been pinpointed. Apathy rushed it to the wall, and there's a good chance, judging from the posts of people in and out of Apathy, that the way it was perpetually going in and out of being claimed could've played a large role in it not using abilities. If it's not, then please fill everyone in. It's not like they'll be getting some "phat lewt" from it

actually SC was broken.

[further]

stfu wizerd you have never killed DL

lol

[Wizerd]

stfu wizerd you have never killed DL

neither have you fucktard.

[Takexo]

wah.

[Wizerd]

Stuck in the wall, stuck on one side of the wall, stuck up your ass....

It doesn't matter where it is stuck, it matters that it is stuck and unable to get to you at all.

Right, so the meteor that killed all the blms followed by the aeroga 4 that re-killed all of them followed by the aero 5 that killed elvaant followed by the eagle eye shot that killed elvaant AGAIN didnt hit them.

IF THEY HAD NOT FOUND A WAY TO REMOVE IT'S 2-HRS AND SPELLS THIS WALL STRAT WOULD NOT WORK.

No, it didn't run out of MP, I saw someone hit a 130 MP aspir when it was at around 30%.

Sia actually followed that up with a 72 Aspir about 5 seconds after, too. It definately had MP.

[Kuai]

http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/pics/kerafyrm.jpg

[Janice]

IF THEY HAD NOT FOUND A WAY TO REMOVE IT'S 2-HRS AND SPELLS THIS WALL STRAT WOULD NOT WORK.

No, it didn't run out of MP, I saw someone hit a 130 MP aspir when it was at around 30%.

Still an exploit. Mobs are supposed to chase you down and try and attack you AND try magic/ranged attacks against you. If you take half those attacks away, it isnt anywhere near the hardest mob in the game and no longer an accomplishment other than beating a broken mob.

Every other HNM in the game is all about agro management, yet here is a loophole allowing anyone to get as much agro as you want and it doesn't mean shit.

Fix the mob SE.

[aers]

kite fights are against the rules because you're negating the mob's ability to attack you

[Zim]

http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/pics/kerafyrm.jpg

Pure pwn. Does she still exist on any servers?

[Delekii]

This mob is not realistic to deal with EVEN if you could completely negate all 2hrs. Aeroga4, Aero5 and Tornado2 instant cast are not able to be dealt with, period. He moves too fast, attacks too fast, and does too much damage.

We put up 2 solid attempts at kiting the normal way, and even if you could do it, it took a solid 30mins to 1hr of chain nuking from a full blm alliance to get him to 60% without worrying about the blms dieing. Imagine trying to do that when if a blm gets hate they die. Not realistic.

I realise people want to be all moralistic about doing him the right way, but unless there is some way to stop him casting aeroga4 and hitting tanks for 300-600 damage, not going to happen.

We did it on the wall to 60%, but then it did that shit that khamsin posted up there and totally decimated us behind the wall - call wynav, meteor (90% blm alliance wipe - reraise), benediction, mijin gakure (reraise people die again).

fucked up mob, seriously. If you want to kill it without glitching you need 5 things to happen:
1. No 2hrs, there are 4 or 5 2hrs that will simply decimate the attempt (call wyvern at 6 wyverns, manafont chainspell, benediction, mijin gakure).

2. Slow down the melee, or slow down the movement speed, or both. Impossible to kite as it is, because he attacks fast as fuck, and cant be outrun. Ofcourse, once he has stripped your shadows, if he doesnt kill you with melee quickly enough he kills you with:

3. Ridiculous spells. If Kirin's Stonega4 and stone5 were instant cast, he would present a challange to the best of linkshells today. If you are prepared to cop them or have reasonable time to restrict the damage, they are ok. But instant cast on a mob that is already decimating you just with melee... come off it.

Stopping any one of these would not be enough to make AV manageable (I am talking a non glitched fight here) - melee, 2hrs, or spells, any one alone is enough to decimate an attempt (see what happened to us behind the wall - a quick 2hr successions wiped us with no chance of recovering).

edit: depoped, we werent ready to pull it back to the wall fast enough

i wrote that for the other thread, but its relevent here aswell

its all well and good to stand on a moral high horse and say "you cheated the game and glitched him out" but it is not like we havent tried to kill it normal ways. unless there is a way to half his attack speed, cancel his spells, and cancel his 2hrs, the mob cannot be killed by a normal alliance. its been tried, tested, retested, and all kinds of wacky schemes have been hatched. they. dont. work. Id prefer to glitch a mob to death then spend another 2 months farming pop items, thanks.

this was kupo's second AV, and the first time i lost a good 40k xp over my jobs. I fucking hate it when people try to say "you didnt try anything". lol.

[Takexo]

Kiting takes away a mobs ability to cast magic on you and takes away some WS's.

[Delekii]

Kiting takes away a mobs ability to cast magic on you and takes away some WS's.

if it were a normal mob, yes. this mob moves MUCH faster than the fastest possible movent speed available to players, and all his spells are instant cast. You cannot get out of range, period.

People still assuming he can be equated to a normal mob after this long -_-

[tiberion02]

except it catches you.

[Janice]

kite fights are against the rules because you're negating the mob's ability to attack you

No. Kiting, sleeping, stunning, turning around, flashing is all the same thing. TRYING to prevent the mob from being able to get to you. The point is that it still CAN get to you if you screw up or don't do it perfectly.

[Redshift]

Once Kupo on Pandemonium got AV to the wall, and after about an hour or so, got AV to roughly 52%. So I'm pretty sure the wall is a key element in winning.

[Delekii]

kite fights are against the rules because you're negating the mob's ability to attack you

No. Kiting, sleeping, stunning, turning around, flashing is all the same thing. TRYING to prevent the mob from being able to get to you. The point is that it still CAN get to you if you screw up or don't do it perfectly.

i think the question is, do you really expect people to let av depop rather than using a method they know can kill it?

[Janice]

kite fights are against the rules because you're negating the mob's ability to attack you

No. Kiting, sleeping, stunning, turning around, flashing is all the same thing. TRYING to prevent the mob from being able to get to you. The point is that it still CAN get to you if you screw up or don't do it perfectly.

i think the question is, do you really expect people to let av depop rather than using a method they know can kill it?

No, I understand exactly why they are doing it. They are doing it because they can and they know they have a shot. Until SE says you can't, they can't get in trouble for doing it. Just like with Kirin and the teleporter exploit.

[Daahan]

kite fights are against the rules because you're negating the mob's ability to attack you

Last I checked, when you kited a mob it came after you and does land hits on you even though you are kiting it. You kite Vrtra but he can still whack at you and hit your whole alliance with wing. You kite Kirin but he can still run up to you and do his vartious moves. You kite KB but he can do his mass AoE stun and hit you.

Now Kiting is using good strategy (for certain mobs), getting something stuck in a wall is an exploit.

Use your common sense and quit coming up with weak arguments such as proclaiming kiting a mob to be an exploit.

Kiting takes away a mobs ability to cast magic on you and takes away some WS's.

Is it safe to assume you haven't even fought Kirin yet when you make this kind of claim? Because the last time we kited him he still nailed people with spells such as sleepga and he most definetly had a knack of hitting people with his TP moves. Doesn't seem like you've ever kited a mob before, so I guess I shouldn't even try to boil your mind with Vrtra.

[Palin]

Congratulations Apathy!~