No more AV thread in one month.

[BRP]

there is NO FUN AT ALL doing CoP Missions.

Incorrect. Coming from someone who doesn't have the mental compacity to understand CoP's very simple plot(though interesting), you need to shut up. I would have completed CoP even if Sea didn't exist. This isn't WoW. Shit will frustrate you, like it or not, mean more when you beat it.

I think Sea is a very good zone to say the least. It has some of the best exp areas(manaburn or otherwise) and there are plenty of monsters you can solo/duo/trio for decent exp and get good rare/ex items from their drops.

Sea's problem is not sea, its that its Jailer NMs failed to match up with the sky gods. To be honest, the fact that those NMs suck are just a damn shame, nothing paralyzing.

The reason sea is empty is because people havn't realized what a great exp spot it is, much like Ule Range was and a lot of CoP still is.

[Elemmire]

I have a strong feeling that SE learned from their mistakes and we wont see any CoP style drop rates nor CoP style lame-o mobs in the next expansion.

wait.. SE learns from their mistakes? O.o

[Kaylia]

I have a strong feeling that SE learned from their mistakes and we wont see any CoP style drop rates nor CoP style lame-o mobs in the next expansion.

wait.. SE learns from their mistakes? O.o

Yes, they do. That's why they make bigger mistake to cover up the old one

[Anyway]

I found CoP missions VERY fun and was great to have a new challenge. If you suck so much that you can't beat them then cry they suck... seriously play a different game. I went 1/1 on all BCs except 2-5 when it 1st came out and nobody knew what the hell was going on.

My advice? Do it with friends instead of mindlessly doing it with random people "just to get it done." Because beating them is so much more gratifying when you have friends with you.

Promathia BC was the most fun I've ever had in a BC. We had an unorthodox set up and struggled to beat it. But it was beyond fun and felt so pumped when we did it.

Moral. Yes this game will suck if all you think about everything is "getting it done" If you think of things as a challenge, it becomes, GASP, a GAME.

[Amara]

I think the entire problem with CoP is the fact that it is so poorly balanced that it is virtually impossible to take certain jobs in some of the bcs, and that you can't win without taking others.

No one should ever need to level a second job just to beat missions, because thier first one is "useless", I'm sorry, but that is just poor game design, missions shouldn't be hard enough that you can't go on any job. I got fucked over multiple times on the chance to do the bcs because I was a paladin and a shitty option compared to a ninja(bloodtanklolol), and I probably still wouldn't have sea if I hadn't leveled an alt.

there is NO FUN AT ALL doing CoP Missions.

CoP missions were the single most fun things that i've done in this game...ever.

[Kaylia]

No one should ever need to level a second job just to beat missions, because thier first one is "useless", I'm sorry, but that is just poor game design, missions shouldn't be hard enough that you can't go on any job. I got fucked over multiple times on the chance to do the bcs because I was a paladin and a shitty option compared to a ninja(bloodtanklolol), and I probably still wouldn't have sea if I hadn't leveled an alt.

Try xping with 4 WHM 1 DRG and 1 THF. It might be difficult too. It's stupid to say some job can't beat a BC, because any can. It always depend of the whole setup.

Yes, you need at the very least a balanced xp setup, but it's not that hard to get.

[Amara]

Ok let me say this way then.

Are people going to want to static with someone who is a thf, someone who is a bst, etc, when they could take a blm in thier place?

Sure, its possible. Is it worth the effort at all unless you are friends with that person? hell no.

[Kaylia]

My first CoP static, and one of the first to ever beat Ultima/omega in december 2 years ago had a THF. We made good use of him in certain BC, they dont shine as much in other, but we still won everything without any trouble

Almost no one has BST main only, but I'm sure they can be useful in CoP mission.

[Heian]

Easy way to make CoP enjoyable:

- Nerf all promys. I personally never helped with this, and never will. You always find some crapy newbies that won't listen, aggro everything and MPK your PT before you even reach the BCNM. Let it be level caped, but just easier.
- Nerf Snoll Tzar by half HP.
- Nerf Omega and Ultima by half HP.

And the level caped was a very good idea imo. BUT ONLY when CoP came out. It was intented (I think) to increase the cooperation between players (by making Static PT most of the time). Except that nowadays, NO ONE want to help others, find some low level gear, waste hours on unkillable NMs, or lost in some random CoP Mission. Snoll Tzar and Omega/Ultima are by far the most retarded BCNM ever done.

I think that's it :D

LOL Lemme sum up her post for everyone.

"I SUCK SO BAD AT THIS GAME I PLAY EVERYDAY THAT I NEED 2 EASY AS HELL BCs MADE EVEN EASIER SO ME AND MY FRIENDS CAN EXPLORE SEA WHEN WE GET OUT OF SPECIAL ED EVERYDAY."

lol you must be from Valefor

[Viq]

My CoP static was BRD-RDM THF SAM BLM NIN-PLD WHM. Missions are not that difficult. Mithra BC was the only one that we had to split up and enlist a SMN for.

[Kaylia]

My CoP static was BRD-RDM THF SAM BLM NIN-PLD WHM. Missions are not that difficult. Mithra BC was the only one that we had to split up and enlist a SMN for.

You can zombie it with any setup or almost. It was probably doable with your, especially if you get the fish to make them calm down

[asze]

Sea Static: WHM/NIN/MNK/BST/WAR/RDM

Sea: O

All Right!

As long as you have an IQ larger than a Dung Beetle you should be able to beat all of the CoP Missions. Just takes a little bit of planning and ...


WORK!

Shock.

[Razz]

Yeah I agree, CoP missions aren't hard at all, but I'd rather kill myself than be forced to do them again simply because level capped missions/BCs suck rhino cock.

I never want to see another level capped mission again.

[raginbull]

I found the promys to be the most annoying, oddly enough. Mainly because if you have 1 stupid person in the group it fucks it for everyone else.

[edgarfigaro]

Doing sea with 5 of my favorite people in game was the best experience I ever had in FFXI. When we started, I wasn't 75, and didn't have to worry about any of the Hnmls stuff yet, and the rest of my static were either uninvolved with HNMs at the time or part of a hnmls that was dying so they had plenty of time to do this stuff. It was great doing those missions with people you'd been around with for 2 years, and I throughly enjoyed the time I spent on those missions.

How many other times in this game were you doing that kind of stuff with people you actually liked? A lot of people on this board hit 75 a long time after Zilart was introduced, so I bet the Z missions you did were done with the help of other people and walkthroughs. which robbed them of their challenge. I know I treated ZM's as a boring, but necessary step...whereas I did CoP semi-blind and it was fun and challenging. I hope SE finds someway to keep the new missions with ToAU challenging without resorting to level caps, because if CoP had no level caps, no one would have complained about the missions. CoP endgame is a huge fucking disaster, but let's not dismiss everything CoP had to offer.

[Razz]

Note that even if you found ZMs boring, you still managed to do them in like, 5 hours, not 5 weeks/months. I shouldn't have to spend so much gil, so much time to get Sea access which offers so little.

[Futrid]

Ok let me say this way then.

Are people going to want to static with someone who is a thf, someone who is a bst, etc, when they could take a blm in thier place?

Sure, its possible. Is it worth the effort at all unless you are friends with that person? hell no.

One of the earlier people to get sea that I can remember was a drg only.

[Genosync]

Note that even if you found ZMs boring, you still managed to do them in like, 5 hours, not 5 weeks/months. I shouldn't have to spend so much gil, so much time to get Sea access which offers so little.

Note that even if you found ZMs boring, you still managed to do them in like, 5 hours, not 5 weeks/months. I shouldn't have to spend so much gil, so much time to get Sea access which offers so little.

Note that even if you found ZMs boring, you still managed to do them in like, 5 hours, not 5 weeks/months. I shouldn't have to spend so much gil, so much time to get Sea access which offers so little.

Note that even if you found ZMs boring, you still managed to do them in like, 5 hours, not 5 weeks/months. I shouldn't have to spend so much gil, so much time to get Sea access which offers so little.

win

[Kaylia]

Note that even if you found ZMs boring, you still managed to do them in like, 5 hours, not 5 weeks/months. I shouldn't have to spend so much gil, so much time to get Sea access which offers so little.

If I understand correctly, you want to have 5 hours worth of easy content to have the possibility to farm 5-10 pieces of good gear for the next years?