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  1. #281
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    Quote Originally Posted by shihei
    and if it wasn't every fucking blm and his mother lvling up bone to HQ a weskit you could profit off a NQ
    Fixed. Gotta spend that KS gil on something >.>

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    i love you for quoting me <3

    and crafters need to realize that synths that are specifically 60+ should be profit since your the guy who chose to take said craft past 60 and your the guy who put all the work into your craft.
    I was making 200k profit off every flame ring(300-400k on snow ring) for awhile and i noticed that after i hit 100 and other people could finally find get thier hands on orich. , looks like they went and screwed themselves into a loss for each synth lol
    but heck, i quit ffxi so i'll just shut up now

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    i do Aurik have tier 2 Aurik, but it is at the point that you make about 6mil from a HQ and you lose 1mil for an NQ. All because there are a 2 or 3 rmt'ing scumbags that are too stupid themselves to get tier 2 and pump out nothing but NQ's and dont give a shit about any loss that they incur. I can not think of a way to beat a rich RMT'er fairly =(

  4. #284
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash
    i do Aurik have tier 2 Aurik, but it is at the point that you make about 6mil from a HQ and you lose 1mil for an NQ. All because there are a 2 or 3 rmt'ing scumbags that are too stupid themselves to get tier 2 and pump out nothing but NQ's and dont give a shit about any loss that they incur. I can not think of a way to beat a rich RMT'er fairly =(
    6m HQ x1
    -1m NQ x3
    ========
    3m profit per 4 synths

    Why are you bitching again? Because you're too weak and want to blame your problems on RMT?

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    I make plenty from SH's Aurik, and if pointing out a glaring problem makes me too weak fine. Please try to understand that some of us make more than just SH's, you may not, others do. Weskits, lappas, cursed gear, DH's and a few other items. All of these items get undercut by the same rmt'ers in their quest to make an HQ. I do appreciate your well thought out argument though. One thing you did forget in your little equation was the odd breaks on those v.claws, but what is 7.4mil

  6. #286
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash
    I make plenty from SH's Aurik, and if pointing out a glaring problem makes me too weak fine. Please try to understand that some of us make more than just SH's, you may not, others do. Weskits, lappas, cursed gear, DH's and a few other items. All of these items get undercut by the same rmt'ers in their quest to make an HQ. I do appreciate your well thought out argument though. One thing you did forget in your little equation was the odd breaks on those v.claws, but what is 7.4mil
    Some crafters purposefully undercut the nonhq to keep people without enough capital out of the market. I usually didn't do this as I like milking as much profit from nonhq as possible (that and I dont have enough capital to do this anymore). But its an effective way to monopolize the materials (or atleast reduce/scareoff a good chunk of potential crafters) while still maintaining a nice profit margin overall.

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    Late last night I made a Shekeish Seraweel (sp), the HQ version of the Brd JSE legs. It was my first significant Tier 0 HQ and pretty proud of it :D
    If anyone on the Sylph Server is interested in purchasing these send me a /tell. 8)

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    Quote Originally Posted by solsovly

    Some crafters purposefully undercut the nonhq to keep people without enough capital out of the market. I usually didn't do this as I like milking as much profit from nonhq as possible (that and I dont have enough capital to do this anymore). But its an effective way to monopolize the materials (or atleast reduce/scareoff a good chunk of potential crafters) while still maintaining a nice profit margin overall.
    Alot of people also try to do this and just end up screwing themselves worse

  9. #289
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash
    I make plenty from SH's Aurik, and if pointing out a glaring problem makes me too weak fine. Please try to understand that some of us make more than just SH's, you may not, others do. Weskits, lappas, cursed gear, DH's and a few other items. All of these items get undercut by the same rmt'ers in their quest to make an HQ. I do appreciate your well thought out argument though. One thing you did forget in your little equation was the odd breaks on those v.claws, but what is 7.4mil
    Aurik paid his dues, crafting his ass off and burning all the gil he made by reinvesting into crafting. He's a cutthroat guy who knows how to play the market and cull out anyone who tries to strongarm him on the AH. His tactics/experience make his opinion and argument valid. Don't let his lack of tact blind you to the fact that he's right. You're one of the guys that he leaves in the dust pissed off that they can't make any money crafting. Your comment totally reinforced that. Be glad you're not on Asura (I think?).

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    Sgt. PAyne, don't get me wrong, i am rich as fuck. By my standards and by a lot of other peoples standards, i also know how to play the market. I still make a killing. What i was griping about is rmt crafters that ruin 90% of shit, and it is not to strongarm anyone out of the market. It is to make some retarded HQ because they are bored as fuck since they bought their account and their gil and have no real goal in game besides making an HQ. I have also paid my dues, i have done 2 crafts to 98 or 100. If this was just a case of playing the market i am perfectly fine by that. If Aurik feels the need to be a cunt, that is up to him. I still have pointed out a glaring problem, perhaps not on your server, or your particular craft, but it is there and it will continue to get worse.

    Just to clarify though, this is not totally about all the gil i feel i am losing. It is the fact that i also have goals of HQ'ing some of the higher lvl synths, and i would like to do it within a 2 year span. I am rich now, but if i did what some of these crafters do(lose up to 20mil a day) i would be broke in a couple of weeks, unless i started to rmt and have endless gil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash
    Sgt. PAyne, don't get me wrong, i am rich as fuck. By my standards and by a lot of other peoples standards, i also know how to play the market. I still make a killing. What i was griping about is rmt crafters that ruin 90% of shit, and it is not to strongarm anyone out of the market. It is to make some retarded HQ because they are bored as fuck since they bought their account and their gil and have no real goal in game besides making an HQ. I have also paid my dues, i have done 2 crafts to 98 or 100. If this was just a case of playing the market i am perfectly fine by that. If Aurik feels the need to be a cunt, that is up to him. I still have pointed out a glaring problem, perhaps not on your server, or your particular craft, but it is there and it will continue to get worse.

    Just to clarify though, this is not totally about all the gil i feel i am losing. It is the fact that i also have goals of HQ'ing some of the higher lvl synths, and i would like to do it within a 2 year span. I am rich now, but if i did what some of these crafters do(lose up to 20mil a day) i would be broke in a couple of weeks, unless i started to rmt and have endless gil.
    I'm not sure about crafters + RMT on your server (Hell, I'm not even sure about my server Asura). A RMT crafter is beyond me, a gillseller I can see, but I think theres always gil to be made when you are not crafting for skill. I came back to the game, sold some extra equip and started with about 4M. With some modest crafting, usually an hour or so every 2 or 3 days I've already tripled my gil in crafting the time I've been back.

    I'm kind of skeptical that crafters would continually lose all that gil, how are you tracking their sales off the AH etc? It's my sincere hope that if you have a craft 95+ that you are not stupid enough to lose gil on a constant basis crafting.

    edit: not you personally, but the people you are talking about.

  12. #292
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    naw, there is a certain crafter that continually buys materials that are overpriced driving up the cost, then continually sells at an enormous loss. He trys to mule what he can't fit into all of his AH slots. This was never meant to be about SH's, thankfully the idiot has stopped trying to make those, i suppose he realizes he does not break the tier. Unfortunatley the damage he did was to drive up the price of v.claws by almost a million, and drive down the price of NQ's by about almost the same. Though NQ prices fluctuate a lot and can't be totally blamed on him. I am really just unhappy that he has driven up the prices on materials and driven down the prices of final products of synths that are lvl 90 and over, all because gil means nothing to him. Hopefully like most rmt'ers he will get bored and move on....

  13. #293
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    Got these last night. Used one on myself and have one for sale. Send tell or PM if interested.

    http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2483/img00294qz.gif :D

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    congrats :D

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    Remora's been having similar problems with idiots either trying to budge others out of the market, or just plain stupid and losing gil every time they craft. I've looked into the odds and the math of every synth, and while SH still makes money (always will), weskit runs you down about 20-30m per HQ, and Nobles is loss as well. Cursed Mitts -1 barely breakeven at a generous tier0 HQ rate.

    I've noticed one crafter in the cursed mitts area who also does Gold and is well known to be rich on my server. I assume he makes gil via gold and cuts down some cloth markets while he hopes they bounce back up and others have looked away and moved on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizerdRemora
    Remora's been having similar problems with idiots either trying to budge others out of the market, or just plain stupid and losing gil every time they craft. I've looked into the odds and the math of every synth, and while SH still makes money (always will), weskit runs you down about 20-30m per HQ, and Nobles is loss as well. Cursed Mitts -1 barely breakeven at a generous tier0 HQ rate.

    I've noticed one crafter in the cursed mitts area who also does Gold and is well known to be rich on my server. I assume he makes gil via gold and cuts down some cloth markets while he hopes they bounce back up and others have looked away and moved on.
    Clothcrafters have undercut Cursed Mitts down to over 600k loss on Midgardsormr, which in the end isn't even profitable because of the break rate, and the HQ Mitts are only worth 50 Mil to most people (Even though I traded my mitts for 70-80 Mil worth of items and gil)

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    its not Clothcrafters, its flyingkick. He has unlimited gil for obvious reasons, and is trying to get samadams(99+3cloth) to make him cmitts-1 before sama quits june 1st. =\

    Blame him.

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    Cursed Mitts -1 just hit 1.2m loss on Leviathan... I gave up on them after HQ #3 (for other people of course ._.)

    Oddly the tier 1 Cursed Crown is break even/profit.. some things I'll never understand..

    Recently made Blessed Mitts +1 and Blessed Trousers +1 (gogo HQ whm!), bought a Blessed Briault to match it all (but I prefer the Aristo Coat). On a related note, what are people's experiance on Blessed Feet +1? I have a few leathercraft friends and am kind of interested in finishing the set.

    I HQ'd a peace cape +1 a few months ago.. after that I stopped trying for a Mahatma Cape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threevo
    its not Clothcrafters, its flyingkick. He has unlimited gil for obvious reasons, and is trying to get samadams(99+3cloth) to make him cmitts-1 before sama quits june 1st. =\

    Blame him.
    Ack, no clue who that person is, but they seem desperate to get Mitts-1, I wonder how much they would have payed O_O

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linsivi
    Cursed Mitts -1 just hit 1.2m loss on Leviathan... I gave up on them after HQ #3 (for other people of course ._.)

    Oddly the tier 1 Cursed Crown is break even/profit.. some things I'll never understand..

    Recently made Blessed Mitts +1 and Blessed Trousers +1 (gogo HQ whm!), bought a Blessed Briault to match it all (but I prefer the Aristo Coat). On a related note, what are people's experiance on Blessed Feet +1? I have a few leathercraft friends and am kind of interested in finishing the set.

    I HQ'd a peace cape +1 a few months ago.. after that I stopped trying for a Mahatma Cape.
    I'll give you a free hq if you let me skill off em

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