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  1. #401
    Sea Torques
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizerdRemora
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemonxel
    Xennon must be smashing things by now lol
    I wanna hear the deal on this thing, if the POS gets sold Xennon better get something [good] for it.
    You know he won't...just like the others that do this..people take advantage of the crafter all the time.

    I had someone BList me and call me greedy cause I was chrging for a HQ.

    http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...l/img_0076.jpg

    lol and I know I was only 89 when I said this... =P (I am saving for the push to 100)

  2. #402
    Ridill
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    Sad thing is someone will craft it for him anyway.
    Then he'll sell it anyway.

    Lesson? If you beg enough people someone will give you money.

  3. #403
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    No one's ever had a problem with my static 2.5mil SH HQ fee. No one's ever sold one of my HQs either that I know of. I still have my list of about 5 customers who I've HQd them for and I'm 100% sure four of them still have it, and I could easily check the other. I don't mind if they sell the item after several months of using it... like if someone sold one of my SH+1s after leveling a job from 57 to 75 into Osode, and I got my 2.5m, I wouldn't give a rat's ass.

  4. #404
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    i just simply made my rule of not crafting for others, besides my close friends who i know wouldn't screw me over like that. cuz honestly, that little bit of hq fee is nothing compare w/what we make from crafting anyway. and getting screwed by ppl like that is -- priceless

  5. #405
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    I just make people agree to my terms if they want me to make something. If I HQ you can buy for 50% the value of item but if you cant afford it i will sell split i keep 75% you keep 25%. All because some noob brings materials to you doesnt mean he deserves a HQ YOU did.

  6. #406
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veli
    I just make people agree to my terms if they want me to make something. If I HQ you can buy for 50% the value of item but if you cant afford it i will sell split i keep 75% you keep 25%. All because some noob brings materials to you doesnt mean he deserves a HQ YOU did.
    Why give them any? I've only been crafting since last october, but I've HQd several tier 0s in 5 different crafts now and this concept has always seemed silly to me.

  7. #407
    Sea Torques
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    If they can't pay for the HQ, get them an NQ and keep the HQ, and they better be happy with it. I've seen people take advantadge of crafters so many times, it pisses me off watching these guys walk away with money for doing nothing

  8. #408
    Relic Weapons
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    on the flipside as crafters it is not right for us to take advantage of people either. If they supply expensive materials they should also get a return just for the risk factor. For sure charge them for an HQ, but don't gouge them, and certainly don't jack their shit if you happen to HQ. Remember they are the ones risking millions, while we are the ones that essentially make millions for a few seconds of our time. It does suck that sometimes we get used, but i definatley feel the rewards outweigh the downs that happen because of a few jack ass's.

    Also before people say we used all our time blah blah blah BS to lvl the craft, i dunno about you guys, but i am filthy rich from crap that i have crafted for myself, not others. If you want to HQ something, grow some balls and risk the millions to make the big HQ, and no offense i see many crafters take their craft way up and do nothing with it because they are too chicken shit to risk blowing stuff up.

  9. #409
    The God Damn Kuno
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash
    on the flipside as crafters it is not right for us to take advantage of people either. If they supply expensive materials they should also get a return just for the risk factor. For sure charge them for an HQ, but don't gouge them, and certainly don't jack their shit if you happen to HQ. Remember they are the ones risking millions, while we are the ones that essentially make millions for a few seconds of our time. It does suck that sometimes we get used, but i definatley feel the rewards outweigh the downs that happen because of a few jack ass's.
    If they want their stuff made they can level it up themselves. What about the crafters who spent millions upon millions getting to 100 with all GP items so you can turn around and be a douche.

  10. #410
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    sorry Kuno, i edited the post as you were saying that. I did not see you post, but read above. Yes there are some people that will be douches, that does not mean we all have to be.

    Yes, i am also working on my 3rd 100 craft so i am not totally clueless. Actually if you count the gil and time i put into spartin i am nearing 100 on a 4th craft which is goldsmithing.

  11. #411
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash
    on the flipside as crafters it is not right for us to take advantage of people either. If they supply expensive materials they should also get a return just for the risk factor. For sure charge them for an HQ, but don't gouge them, and certainly don't jack their shit if you happen to HQ. Remember they are the ones risking millions, while we are the ones that essentially make millions for a few seconds of our time. It does suck that sometimes we get used, but i definatley feel the rewards outweigh the downs that happen because of a few jack ass's.

    Also before people say we used all our time blah blah blah BS to lvl the craft, i dunno about you guys, but i am filthy rich from crap that i have crafted for myself, not others. If you want to HQ something, grow some balls and risk the millions to make the big HQ, and no offense i see many crafters take their craft way up and do nothing with it because they are too chicken shit to risk blowing stuff up.
    Someone trades you materials asking for an NQ, it's not "taking advantage of them" to take their HQ and give them an NQ. Why are they having you craft it? Because the NQ is overpriced on the AH and they don't want to pay the premium (i.e. zero risk because it's already crafted)

    I've had a "25% of full HQ price" policy since I was 80 cloth, if it's not fair to you then go somewhere else. Only exceptions I make are for things that aren't rare like royal cloaks and aristos, i say up front what I'll be charging.

  12. #412
    I Am, Who I Am.
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    I dont think people go in with materials for a tier0 synth and KNOW theyre gonna get a HQ. 95% of it is hoping the synther just completes the synth for a NQ and not losing the materials, theres maybe a bit of want for the HQ.

  13. #413
    HABS SUCK!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SephirothYuyX
    I dont think people go in with materials for a tier0 synth and KNOW theyre gonna get a HQ. 95% of it is hoping the synther just completes the synth for a NQ and not losing the materials, theres maybe a bit of want for the HQ.
    Um, correct me if I'm wrong...but most common/uncommon/and even some of the rare tier0 synth's sell at a loss.



    The only ones that dont sell at a loss are the ones that are brand spankin new.

  14. #414
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    or it could be like bahamut and 90% of NQ synths can be a loss, and if you think about it i am sure that there is always a hope that there is an HQ by the person bringing the materials. If you set a certain price for an HQ and they abide by it, i see no problem with them selling the damn item. Sure it sucks that you happened to HQ on their synth and not yours, but it is their item after all.

  15. #415
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash
    or it could be like bahamut and 90% of NQ synths can be a loss, and if you think about it i am sure that there is always a hope that there is an HQ by the person bringing the materials. If you set a certain price for an HQ and they abide by it, i see no problem with them selling the damn item. Sure it sucks that you happened to HQ on their synth and not yours, but it is their item after all.
    That's the point; set the price for an HQ high enough so that if you do HQ it, it doesn't hurt.

  16. #416
    Relic Horn
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    Quote Originally Posted by ½pint
    Quote Originally Posted by Flash
    or it could be like bahamut and 90% of NQ synths can be a loss, and if you think about it i am sure that there is always a hope that there is an HQ by the person bringing the materials. If you set a certain price for an HQ and they abide by it, i see no problem with them selling the damn item. Sure it sucks that you happened to HQ on their synth and not yours, but it is their item after all.
    That's the point; set the price for an HQ high enough so that if you do HQ it, they can't afford it.
    That's what I'd do if I thought I might t0 something for someone. ^^

    Flash: what do you consider filthy rich? I have over 250m in gil including items I'm currently selling (~150m + 100m or so in items) and I don't consider myself filthy rich. I consider myself "getting by." Sure, a lot of people would kill to have how much I have. But a lot of people also don't have plans to upgrade 2 relic weapons on their own without the help of a linkshell getting them coins for over half a year. I'm working towards 700m so I can start on the first one, buying from start to finish. And believe me, it's not easy going from 250m to 700m. I probably won't get that until the latter part of this year, maybe October+. I have 5 crafts myself including a sort of gimp gold 81.7, and I play what markets I can (though most are fucked now on Remora), and I still can't make more than 3-4m a day on average, and that's if I put a lot of effort into it.

  17. #417
    Relic Weapons
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    i am about the same as you, but i suppose rich to some may not be rich to others

  18. #418
    Relic Horn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash
    i am about the same as you, but i suppose rich to some may not be rich to others
    I'm sure I'd consider myself filthy rich if I had more gil than I could use, but atm I have goals with my gil which I'm not even close to yet. ;o

  19. #419
    Sea Torques
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    <.< With 270 mil >.>

  20. #420
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    The sad thing is, I know how to make upwards of 10mil a day on a level 1 mule, with all crafts at 0.
    I made 100 mil in a week and a half then RMT'ed it all.

    http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5272/igelol0xc.jpg

    Mmmm money

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