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    10 days ago I did/posted my Cursed Haidate-1 + Cursed Kabuto-1 run, which was my first real break in HQ'ing cursed gear.

    SE has apparently taken me off their hate-list.
    Just did Cursed Schaller-1. 1/13
    It was pure impulse after the 3 NQ I'd planned. Had 1 measly copper ingot leftover; was OCD about having a stack of 1 so synthed a 4th Schaller to get rid of it and HQ'd. Also got a .1 out of the batch.

    Yes, I was skilling up on Schallers. Why wait til 100GS to spam them with same tier HQ! I just spam tier0 cursed gear for skillups while simultaneously aiming for -1. I know I'm gonna have to make dozens upon dozens anyway, and that's free skillups IMO. So I'm at 95.2 Goldsmithing and had planned on doing Schallers 95-97 in pursuit of a possible -1. Now I don't know if I should continue to 97 and hope for a 2nd HQ (and thereby shoot myself in the foot by likely changing my 1/13 to 1/113) or take my good fortune and run. Not that I'm complaining about my dilemna. ^ ^

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    a smart, and rich PLD on your server better hop on that ^_^

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    Just saw your sig, you better go get that abj

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    Not exactly "amazing" but it sorta is with my luck; just went 9/12 on HQ with amemet mantle. Now the fun part of getting rid of all of them ><. No screenshot Ps2

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazen
    Not exactly "amazing" but it sorta is with my luck; just went 9/12 on HQ with amemet mantle. Now the fun part of getting rid of all of them ><. No screenshot Ps2
    9/12 sounds very Amazing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheeny
    10 days ago I did/posted my Cursed Haidate-1 + Cursed Kabuto-1 run, which was my first real break in HQ'ing cursed gear.

    SE has apparently taken me off their hate-list.
    Just did Cursed Schaller-1. 1/13
    It was pure impulse after the 3 NQ I'd planned. Had 1 measly copper ingot leftover; was OCD about having a stack of 1 so synthed a 4th Schaller to get rid of it and HQ'd. Also got a .1 out of the batch.

    Yes, I was skilling up on Schallers. Why wait til 100GS to spam them with same tier HQ! I just spam tier0 cursed gear for skillups while simultaneously aiming for -1. I know I'm gonna have to make dozens upon dozens anyway, and that's free skillups IMO. So I'm at 95.2 Goldsmithing and had planned on doing Schallers 95-97 in pursuit of a possible -1. Now I don't know if I should continue to 97 and hope for a 2nd HQ (and thereby shoot myself in the foot by likely changing my 1/13 to 1/113) or take my good fortune and run. Not that I'm complaining about my dilemna. ^ ^

    http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/1161/schallerwo1.jpg
    Considering Goldsmithing is so cheap to level and you have lots of gil to do it, I'm sure it wouldnt be a problem for you. Honestly, those cursed items are worthless but there is a sucker born everyday leveling PLD. An interesting approach to 100, though not the most cost effective, but interesting enough.

    Goldsmithing on Midgard blows by the way. Hope you're doing it only for completion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dethsbane
    Quote Originally Posted by Sheeny
    10 days ago I did/posted my Cursed Haidate-1 + Cursed Kabuto-1 run, which was my first real break in HQ'ing cursed gear.

    SE has apparently taken me off their hate-list.
    Just did Cursed Schaller-1. 1/13
    It was pure impulse after the 3 NQ I'd planned. Had 1 measly copper ingot leftover; was OCD about having a stack of 1 so synthed a 4th Schaller to get rid of it and HQ'd. Also got a .1 out of the batch.

    Yes, I was skilling up on Schallers. Why wait til 100GS to spam them with same tier HQ! I just spam tier0 cursed gear for skillups while simultaneously aiming for -1. I know I'm gonna have to make dozens upon dozens anyway, and that's free skillups IMO. So I'm at 95.2 Goldsmithing and had planned on doing Schallers 95-97 in pursuit of a possible -1. Now I don't know if I should continue to 97 and hope for a 2nd HQ (and thereby shoot myself in the foot by likely changing my 1/13 to 1/113) or take my good fortune and run. Not that I'm complaining about my dilemna. ^ ^

    [img]HQ[/img]
    Considering Goldsmithing is so cheap to level and you have lots of gil to do it, I'm sure it wouldnt be a problem for you. Honestly, those cursed items are worthless but there is a sucker born everyday leveling PLD. An interesting approach to 100, though not the most cost effective, but interesting enough.

    Goldsmithing on Midgard blows by the way. Hope you're doing it only for completion.
    Um of all the HQ cursed gear out there, the PLD head has to be the one worth the gil. I spent 8-11mish in gil and gear to buy/trade for mine, id spend twice as much if I had to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekki
    Quote Originally Posted by Dethsbane
    Quote Originally Posted by Sheeny
    10 days ago I did/posted my Cursed Haidate-1 + Cursed Kabuto-1 run, which was my first real break in HQ'ing cursed gear.

    SE has apparently taken me off their hate-list.
    Just did Cursed Schaller-1. 1/13
    It was pure impulse after the 3 NQ I'd planned. Had 1 measly copper ingot leftover; was OCD about having a stack of 1 so synthed a 4th Schaller to get rid of it and HQ'd. Also got a .1 out of the batch.

    Yes, I was skilling up on Schallers. Why wait til 100GS to spam them with same tier HQ! I just spam tier0 cursed gear for skillups while simultaneously aiming for -1. I know I'm gonna have to make dozens upon dozens anyway, and that's free skillups IMO. So I'm at 95.2 Goldsmithing and had planned on doing Schallers 95-97 in pursuit of a possible -1. Now I don't know if I should continue to 97 and hope for a 2nd HQ (and thereby shoot myself in the foot by likely changing my 1/13 to 1/113) or take my good fortune and run. Not that I'm complaining about my dilemna. ^ ^

    [img]HQ[/img]
    Considering Goldsmithing is so cheap to level and you have lots of gil to do it, I'm sure it wouldnt be a problem for you. Honestly, those cursed items are worthless but there is a sucker born everyday leveling PLD. An interesting approach to 100, though not the most cost effective, but interesting enough.

    Goldsmithing on Midgard blows by the way. Hope you're doing it only for completion.
    Um of all the HQ cursed gear out there, the PLD head has to be the one worth the gil. I spent 8-11mish in gil and gear to buy/trade for mine, id spend twice as much if I had to.
    You use your Kaiser Schaller over Aegishjalmr? I dunno, I'm kinda a whore when it comes to enmity on my PLD...

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    I'm no PLD, but in a straight tank situation I'd probably say 11 VIT 11 CHR 41 Defense 6 shield skill is > 7 enmity and 23 defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seditedi
    I'm no PLD, but in a straight tank situation I'd probably say 11 VIT 11 CHR 41 Defense 6 shield skill is > 7 enmity and 23 defense.
    Sure if you're tanking by yourself... But if you dont have enough enmity then all the def and vit in the world wont matter if the mobs smackin on your mages.

    Basically what I do to determine whether I should add enmity or vit/def to a gear spot is total my def, enmity, and vitality. For example (completely making up these numbers) 400 defense, +30 enmity, 1500 HP, 100 vitality, and 285 shield skill. So then I look at a piece like Aegishjalmr which gives +7 enmity, +25 HP, and 23 defense. I look at my ratios now: thats 19% (7/37) of my total enmity, 1.6% of total HP (25/1525), and 5.4% (23/423) of total defense.

    I then look at a piece like Kaiser Schaller which is 11 VIT, 41 Defense, 32 HP and 6 Shield skill. The ratios: 9.9% (11/111) of my VIT, 9.3% (43/443) of my defense, 2.1% of my HP (32/1532) and 2.1% of my shield skill (6/291).

    After an analysis of these pieces it is easily seen that the greatest advantage here would be gained from wearing the Aegishjalmr. The advantages from Kaiser Schaller are nominal (VIT/Def) because my base values are already so high. The defense calculations are already going to be even lower because I havent calculated Defender/Sentinal/Rampart into this. Enmity being the hardest values to up, Aegishjalmr shines here when you can throw 7 on one slot. You're basically giving up 11VIT, 18Def, 7HP, and 6 Shield skill for 7 enmity, which I think any PLD would tell you is a good trade off in end game tanking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Btight
    Quote Originally Posted by Seditedi
    I'm no PLD, but in a straight tank situation I'd probably say 11 VIT 11 CHR 41 Defense 6 shield skill is > 7 enmity and 23 defense.
    Sure if you're tanking by yourself... But if you dont have enough enmity then all the def and vit in the world wont matter if the mobs smackin on your mages.

    Basically what I do to determine whether I should add enmity or vit/def to a gear spot is total my def, enmity, and vitality. For example (completely making up these numbers) 400 defense, +30 enmity, 1500 HP, 100 vitality, and 285 shield skill. So then I look at a piece like Aegishjalmr which gives +7 enmity, +25 HP, and 23 defense. I look at my ratios now: thats 19% (7/37) of my total enmity, 1.6% of total HP (25/1525), and 5.4% (23/423) of total defense.

    I then look at a piece like Kaiser Schaller which is 11 VIT, 41 Defense, 32 HP and 6 Shield skill. The ratios: 9.9% (11/111) of my VIT, 9.3% (43/443) of my defense, 2.1% of my HP (32/1532) and 2.1% of my shield skill (6/291).

    After an analysis of these pieces it is easily seen that the greatest advantage here would be gained from wearing the Aegishjalmr. The advantages from Kaiser Schaller are nominal (VIT/Def) because my base values are already so high. The defense calculations are already going to be even lower because I havent calculated Defender/Sentinal/Rampart into this. Enmity being the hardest values to up, Aegishjalmr shines here when you can throw 7 on one slot. You're basically giving up 11VIT, 18Def, 7HP, and 6 Shield skill for 7 enmity, which I think any PLD would tell you is a good trade off in end game tanking.
    Sounds like your a PLD who doesnt know how to hold hate/manage your hate, for Aegishjalmr /nin, Schaller for /war. You wont need as much emnity for pld/war as your need for pld/nin. Both gear sets should have completely diffrent gear, there is no one "best" set for PLD alone, you have you your /war gear and your /nin gear. Koenig makes for decent /war gear even though its barely used anymore for lack of effectiveness, and your emnity gear /nin.

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    You wear a mercenary's earring dont you? I obviously don't stack enmity in every slot but I look at the comparative advantages to each spot and then choose which would be more worthwhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Btight
    You wear a mercenary's earring dont you?
    Sorry no, Ethereal/Cassie on /war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekki
    Um of all the HQ cursed gear out there, the PLD head has to be the one worth the gil. I spent 8-11mish in gil and gear to buy/trade for mine, id spend twice as much if I had to.
    I don't really see it... going from NQ to HQ there's a change of:
    Def+1
    HP+2
    STR-1
    DEX-1
    VIT+1
    CHR+1
    Shield Skill+1

    The only part of that that seems even the slightest bit significant is the Shield Skill+1. That would be worth 20M to you? Why? Does 1 Shield Skill really increase proc rate that much? If so, I guess that any PLDs with regular AF boots instead of the +1, or Buckler Earring instead of Knight's Earring must be REALLY gimped. I don't know, does maxed Shield skill merits + all other regular shield skill gear + NQ koenig head leave you exactly 1 skill short of some "tier" or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazen
    Quote Originally Posted by Btight
    Quote Originally Posted by Seditedi
    I'm no PLD, but in a straight tank situation I'd probably say 11 VIT 11 CHR 41 Defense 6 shield skill is > 7 enmity and 23 defense.
    Sure if you're tanking by yourself... But if you dont have enough enmity then all the def and vit in the world wont matter if the mobs smackin on your mages.

    Basically what I do to determine whether I should add enmity or vit/def to a gear spot is total my def, enmity, and vitality. For example (completely making up these numbers) 400 defense, +30 enmity, 1500 HP, 100 vitality, and 285 shield skill. So then I look at a piece like Aegishjalmr which gives +7 enmity, +25 HP, and 23 defense. I look at my ratios now: thats 19% (7/37) of my total enmity, 1.6% of total HP (25/1525), and 5.4% (23/423) of total defense.

    I then look at a piece like Kaiser Schaller which is 11 VIT, 41 Defense, 32 HP and 6 Shield skill. The ratios: 9.9% (11/111) of my VIT, 9.3% (43/443) of my defense, 2.1% of my HP (32/1532) and 2.1% of my shield skill (6/291).

    After an analysis of these pieces it is easily seen that the greatest advantage here would be gained from wearing the Aegishjalmr. The advantages from Kaiser Schaller are nominal (VIT/Def) because my base values are already so high. The defense calculations are already going to be even lower because I havent calculated Defender/Sentinal/Rampart into this. Enmity being the hardest values to up, Aegishjalmr shines here when you can throw 7 on one slot. You're basically giving up 11VIT, 18Def, 7HP, and 6 Shield skill for 7 enmity, which I think any PLD would tell you is a good trade off in end game tanking.
    Sounds like your a PLD who doesnt know how to hold hate/manage your hate, for Aegishjalmr /nin, Schaller for /war. You wont need as much emnity for pld/war as your need for pld/nin. Both gear sets should have completely diffrent gear, there is no one "best" set for PLD alone, you have you your /war gear and your /nin gear. Koenig makes for decent /war gear even though its barely used anymore for lack of effectiveness, and your emnity gear /nin.
    O, forgot to mention I was talking about PLD/WAR when saying Koenig/Kaiser Schaller > Aegishjalmr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deimos
    Quote Originally Posted by Tekki
    Um of all the HQ cursed gear out there, the PLD head has to be the one worth the gil. I spent 8-11mish in gil and gear to buy/trade for mine, id spend twice as much if I had to.
    I don't really see it... going from NQ to HQ there's a change of:
    Def+1
    HP+2
    STR-1
    DEX-1
    VIT+1
    CHR+1
    Shield Skill+1

    The only part of that that seems even the slightest bit significant is the Shield Skill+1. That would be worth 20M to you? Why? Does 1 Shield Skill really increase proc rate that much? If so, I guess that any PLDs with regular AF boots instead of the +1, or Buckler Earring instead of Knight's Earring must be REALLY gimped. I don't know, does maxed Shield skill merits + all other regular shield skill gear + NQ koenig head leave you exactly 1 skill short of some "tier" or something?
    The attitude of getting HQ gear shouldnt be if that ONE piece is worth it. Most BLMs that like HQ gear dont go for just ONE HQ piece, they try for as much HQ as possible. Those +1s here and there on HQ equipment stack up. Overall I can get 327 shield skill if needed. I have the HQ or best shield gear out there and by having the best gear possible I can use just about any combination of gear and get an outstanding performance record.

    As for the aejish vers kaiser schaller. the only time ive put that aejish on is when im kiting after I have just died or when the fight starts. Whats the point of a helmet that offers nothing but enmity if you dont have enmity problems. With my mp regen setup and my badass support team, i have 0 hate issues. Sure it may spike onto a mage after some insane burst or something, but I dont have any unique problems that any other PLD would face. Also whats the point of sacrificing defensive gear with enemy gear that has shit for defensive traits when you lose all that "enmity" build after getting slammed for a critical of 400+. Its hilarious watching enmity build PLDs tanking something and they cant understand why their performance on hate control sucks. They think, oh I should keep finding enmity gear. No amount of enmity will save you if your just getting raped. Even going /nin you still get hit plenty of times. Whats the point of trying to hold all that hate just to lose it between shadows when you get slammed for 300-400.

    My tanking routine has always been to get hit for the least amount of dmg in any way possible. I have all the tools any other PLDs have, from a setup of nearly +50 enmity, all the way to a full defensive setup. I carry it all with me if I need to change gear up but in the long run, after years of tanking, Ive found that getting hit less helps me maintain hate more then trying an enmity build and getting raped if a hit goes through. Certain fights that our routine I know what Im going in with and tank with certain gear based on experience. Theres not that many new fights out there for me but when I come across them I keep changing gear to optimize the situation. Once I find what I like I go from there.

    Ill just tell you straight up, I go almost all shield > MP regen gear > Defensive VIT/Def gear > Enmity. I mentioned my support crew as well. This makes a WORLD of difference not on to you LS, your fight and how you tank but it makes a world of difference to what gear you can wear. Hell, Ive got such a badass crew that if I really wanted a challenge I would tank something nekkid! That said I make the dmg input I receive as less demanding on my support as they make the fight itself less demanding on me. For enmity control it goes hand in hand with MP regeneration. The tools PLDs have now are just godly for MP regen. Auto-refresh, Parade Gorget, Ethereal Earring, refresh, ballad. Even a galka as myself with 250ish mp, I have 0 mp issues. When you eliminate your MP issues you have a sandbox of cure and flash strategies. Its awesome when you have the MP to burn on everyone in your alliance and not just yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekki
    Quote Originally Posted by Deimos
    Quote Originally Posted by Tekki
    Um of all the HQ cursed gear out there, the PLD head has to be the one worth the gil. I spent 8-11mish in gil and gear to buy/trade for mine, id spend twice as much if I had to.
    I don't really see it... going from NQ to HQ there's a change of:
    Def+1
    HP+2
    STR-1
    DEX-1
    VIT+1
    CHR+1
    Shield Skill+1

    The only part of that that seems even the slightest bit significant is the Shield Skill+1. That would be worth 20M to you? Why? Does 1 Shield Skill really increase proc rate that much? If so, I guess that any PLDs with regular AF boots instead of the +1, or Buckler Earring instead of Knight's Earring must be REALLY gimped. I don't know, does maxed Shield skill merits + all other regular shield skill gear + NQ koenig head leave you exactly 1 skill short of some "tier" or something?
    The attitude of getting HQ gear shouldnt be if that ONE piece is worth it. Most BLMs that like HQ gear dont go for just ONE HQ piece, they try for as much HQ as possible. Those +1s here and there on HQ equipment stack up. Overall I can get 327 shield skill if needed. I have the HQ or best shield gear out there and by having the best gear possible I can use just about any combination of gear and get an outstanding performance record.

    As for the aejish vers kaiser schaller. the only time ive put that aejish on is when im kiting after I have just died or when the fight starts. Whats the point of a helmet that offers nothing but enmity if you dont have enmity problems. With my mp regen setup and my badass support team, i have 0 hate issues. Sure it may spike onto a mage after some insane burst or something, but I dont have any unique problems that any other PLD would face. Also whats the point of sacrificing defensive gear with enemy gear that has shit for defensive traits when you lose all that "enmity" build after getting slammed for a critical of 400+. Its hilarious watching enmity build PLDs tanking something and they cant understand why their performance on hate control sucks. They think, oh I should keep finding enmity gear. No amount of enmity will save you if your just getting raped. Even going /nin you still get hit plenty of times. Whats the point of trying to hold all that hate just to lose it between shadows when you get slammed for 300-400.

    My tanking routine has always been to get hit for the least amount of dmg in any way possible. I have all the tools any other PLDs have, from a setup of nearly +50 enmity, all the way to a full defensive setup. I carry it all with me if I need to change gear up but in the long run, after years of tanking, Ive found that getting hit less helps me maintain hate more then trying an enmity build and getting raped if a hit goes through. Certain fights that our routine I know what Im going in with and tank with certain gear based on experience. Theres not that many new fights out there for me but when I come across them I keep changing gear to optimize the situation. Once I find what I like I go from there.

    Ill just tell you straight up, I go almost all shield > MP regen gear > Defensive VIT/Def gear > Enmity. I mentioned my support crew as well. This makes a WORLD of difference not on to you LS, your fight and how you tank but it makes a world of difference to what gear you can wear. Hell, Ive got such a badass crew that if I really wanted a challenge I would tank something nekkid! That said I make the dmg input I receive as less demanding on my support as they make the fight itself less demanding on me. For enmity control it goes hand in hand with MP regeneration. The tools PLDs have now are just godly for MP regen. Auto-refresh, Parade Gorget, Ethereal Earring, refresh, ballad. Even a galka as myself with 250ish mp, I have 0 mp issues. When you eliminate your MP issues you have a sandbox of cure and flash strategies. Its awesome when you have the MP to burn on everyone in your alliance and not just yourself.
    Any chance I can get you to post a pic of your /WAR defense setup and a pic of your enmity setup? I normally think I have pretty good ideas when it comes to PLD, but seeing as how you're a relic holder I'm apt to think you know more than me. I'd really appreciate it, thanks.

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    Let me finish up my philosophy papers that are due by midnight and ill list my stuff. (On page 5/15ish)

    I don't have a "SS" perfect setup. I macro a lot of gear... a LOT of gear. And every single setup is situational. Not many setups for me are the same as another for a different fight.

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    0/1million darksteel +1, thx a lot

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