So... Dynamis-Tavnazia

[Lordwafik]

Why not just do the zone with your regular Dynamis shell?

My dynamis shell has the same lack of curiosity and hard ons for old AF2 that all you have

Yes, that's because your LS is smart, now shoo.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Why not just do the zone with your regular Dynamis shell?

My dynamis shell has the same lack of curiosity and hard ons for old AF2 that all you have

Yes, that's because your LS is smart, now shoo.

Smart because they listen to 1 or 2 reports of something and don't even try something new? Oh come on.

[aurik]

Why not just do the zone with your regular Dynamis shell?

My dynamis shell has the same lack of curiosity and hard ons for old AF2 that all you have

And expeditionary force was at least fully explored (and not much of a challenge)... and it IS still done occasionally, just by people in 'allegiance lses'. Garrison would have been a slightly better example.

When's the last time you've seen anyone actually do...say...Kuzotz EF?
Never?
Yea.

If the reward isn't worth the expenditure to any degree...people aren't gonna do it. The fact that you have to give up 1m gil, lots of XP, and the chance to go farm xarc/beauc for 3 days = not much interest.

Maybe I'll check Tavnazia out when we max out on iceland AF.

[Mifaco]

1hr kick in the balls.

is the best way of describing Dynamis-Tavnazia.

Or maybe your ls is devoted to having, ya know, fun, and overcoming the game's challenges. Also, your rates are from zones that have been out for how long now? The fact is, people don't even try new shit after the 1st time, they think they are so good that they can't learn more and do better in the zone. Anyways, who's to say that people don't 'need' this gear as much as AF2?

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All signs point to Dynamis-Tavnazia being a fucking waste of time; this has been verified multiple times by the people in the 12-page thread you failed to read.

There's a distinction between overcoming the game's challenges and overcoming a fucking waste of time - a challenge usually involves some sort of reward at the end, whereas a fucking waste of time rewards you with lost gil and EXP. Temenos 2nd Basement and Dynamis-Tavnazia are examples of the latter.

[Lordwafik]

Why not just do the zone with your regular Dynamis shell?

My dynamis shell has the same lack of curiosity and hard ons for old AF2 that all you have

And expeditionary force was at least fully explored (and not much of a challenge)... and it IS still done occasionally, just by people in 'allegiance lses'. Garrison would have been a slightly better example.

When's the last time you've seen anyone actually do...say...Kuzotz EF?
Never?
Yea.

If the reward isn't worth the expenditure to any degree...people aren't gonna do it. The fact that you have to give up 1m gil, lots of XP, and the chance to go farm xarc/beauc for 3 days = not much interest.

Maybe I'll check Tavnazia out when we max out on iceland AF.

Not only that, there are far superior alternatives to get the same rewards of the AF2 (the reason people go to dynamis). CoP only offers AF2-1 and Acessories, which most of them are replacable, bar a few good ones. All af2+1 bar a few peices are pretty junk too, unlike AF1+1.

So unless you find some way of getting us acess to the zones, which cost the same 1m, and you get 1/8th of the rewards that you can get by dumping 1m elsewhere, I am not following you inside.

[Maxxthepenguin]

1hr kick in the balls.

is the best way of describing Dynamis-Tavnazia.

[quote:6213b]Or maybe your ls is devoted to having, ya know, fun, and overcoming the game's challenges. Also, your rates are from zones that have been out for how long now? The fact is, people don't even try new shit after the 1st time, they think they are so good that they can't learn more and do better in the zone. Anyways, who's to say that people don't 'need' this gear as much as AF2?

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All signs point to Dynamis-Tavnazia being a fucking waste of time; this has been verified multiple times by the people in the 12-page thread you failed to read.

There's a distinction between overcoming the game's challenges and overcoming a fucking waste of time - a challenge usually involves some sort of reward at the end, whereas a fucking waste of time rewards you with lost gil and EXP. Temenos 2nd Basement and Dynamis-Tavnazia are examples of the latter.[/quote:6213b]

Ummmm I bet when people 1st went into dynamis-xarcabard they got decimated without rewards. I remember people thinking Ouryu was too hard and wasn't worth doing. Oh yeah, and theres no WAY AV can be beaten right?

[Illverin]

Dynamis-Tavnazia although intriguing to a point, it really depends on what kind of direction your dynamis LS takes in regards to each raid. If your LS likes to do stupid shit and go out on a limb for the sake of fun (Hello Dhamel train), then Tavnazia may be alright. But if you are a really established Dynamis Linkshell who has a fair amount of members seriously upgrading their relic, then Tavnazia isn't really the place for you. I know I'm playing the role of Captain Obvious but oh fuckin well!

[Lordwafik]

Stop assuming, no, people werent as pessimistic when Dyna-Xarca came out, there was actually a big rush of people spamming zones as soon as Xarc came out (i remember all dynamis zones being full ) , why? because there's stuff worth getting.

All the armor had no downsides, there was the reasons of getting currency from these zones, etc.

What does Tavnazia have to offer us? NPC armor? Armor with high upsides and very low downsides? Meh. Oh forgot to mention taking a dump on relic upgraders chests. YEah ok let's alllllll rush and go there!

Every normal zone : 3.5hours, chance to leave with 0-25 AF2, 60-800 currency.

Every CoP zone : 2h MAXIMUM, chance to leave with 0-3 AF2, 6 or so Af2 and Af2-1, 0-80 coins, unless you get lucky with 100 peices.


Here's what they can do to make these zones more desirable :
- Get rid of the SJ shit, cuteness wears off after the first time you're stripped
- Add 1.5hours of time extensions, so we're not constantly running for time despite the fact we're farming
- Increase drop rates of EVERYTHING. Im not sure if you have done these zones yourself, but people walk out of this zone as if they just took it up the bum, nothing to show for it and feeling quite akward.
- Put uhhh side-reasons to do the zone, like BCD and Xarc have weapons.



Fact is, CoP dynamis were tacked on to keep us busy, and shit, they dont even match up to the real dynamis's story, nothing to do with Hydra Corps.. just an emo DRK summon woo! Like the last Jailers, I dont think these even got thorougly tested out by a real Dev team. Felt rushed (Dyna-Valk boss is STILL bugged, bosses dont have 100% drops on anything, etc).

[Quicklet]

The OP has a point in saying that just because nobody's gotten much that's worthwhile out of the zone yet, it doesn't mean that it won't be meaningful to do it in the future.

Of course, the fact that you come crying on these forums saying "WAH WAH you guys are pussies for not wastings tons of hours figuring out how to get something out of these zones while I just sit here and wait so I can gank all the info from you later" shows just how retarded you must be for thinking that this is some kind of MTDeluxe where you can listen to endgame stories for kicks because you can't get your own group to do what you want.

Fucking cry me a river that very few people care about Dynamis-Tavnazia right now, in a month everyone is just going to be talking about chocobo breeding anyway and "OMG GUYZ HOW DO I BREED A GOLD CHOCOBO?"

[BRP]

No one has ever really farmed Dynamis-Tav all too well. That 12-page thread didn't say shit about what everyone really wants to know. Because of the limited time its hard to check stuff, and because of the 1 mil cost and a 'waste' of a dynamis run, a lot of people are not willing to explore it.

Even people who completed it don't seem to know much about it. There is a set of Hydra gear and chatfiles that have not been seen in game yet. This zone hasn't truly been 'beaten' yet.

Poorly implemented, yes, but not enough is known to say how good the zone is.

Anyway, Max, shut up. Go to KI if you don't like it here. People are not always going to agree with you(here of all places, this is very true), even if their case isn't solid. You either learn to deal with it or you get out.

[Gulkeeva]

It was shot down before given a chance, then people gave it a chance and did it, then it was shot down again after people did it and realized it was bullshit with money better spent on the other zones that actually *gasp* give you 3.5h to farm

Did they clear it? Or did they just assume there weren't extentions. And some of the drops from there look sexy...period.

yup its been cleared, Dynamis tavnazian safehold interloper title for clear, clicking the hyroglif things ya get title "Confronter of Nightmares"

[Viq]

Why not just do the zone with your regular Dynamis shell?

My dynamis shell has the same lack of curiosity and hard ons for old AF2 that all you have

Yes, that's because your LS is smart, now shoo.

Smart because they listen to 1 or 2 reports of something and don't even try something new? Oh come on.

Just like how you spent millions of gil and thousands of exp figuring out Tav AMIRITE?

[aurik]

1hr kick in the balls.

is the best way of describing Dynamis-Tavnazia.

[quote:0eb47]Or maybe your ls is devoted to having, ya know, fun, and overcoming the game's challenges. Also, your rates are from zones that have been out for how long now? The fact is, people don't even try new shit after the 1st time, they think they are so good that they can't learn more and do better in the zone. Anyways, who's to say that people don't 'need' this gear as much as AF2?

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All signs point to Dynamis-Tavnazia being a fucking waste of time; this has been verified multiple times by the people in the 12-page thread you failed to read.

There's a distinction between overcoming the game's challenges and overcoming a fucking waste of time - a challenge usually involves some sort of reward at the end, whereas a fucking waste of time rewards you with lost gil and EXP. Temenos 2nd Basement and Dynamis-Tavnazia are examples of the latter.

Ummmm I bet when people 1st went into dynamis-xarcabard they got decimated without rewards. I remember people thinking Ouryu was too hard and wasn't worth doing. Oh yeah, and theres no WAY AV can be beaten right?[/quote:0eb47]

The key differences here is that:

1) you can only get xarcabard AF in xarcabard or tavnazia. Some of it is Really Fucking Good. Initially Xarcabard was the only place to get it...so people learned how to do Xarcabard efficiently.

Tavnazia offers almost nothing unique...af2+1 is almost without an exception complete garbage. No incentive to learn + still need shit from other dynamis = lollerskates.

2) when you ENTER xarcabard, you are given the same amount of time as you can get MAXIMUM in tavnazia. GG, even a wipe-fest for an hour in xarcabard will be as productive as a fully-extended tavnazia run.

I don't ever remember anyone saying Ouryu was too hard and therefore not worth doing. I do remember people acknowledging that doing Ouryu with their current skillset was a waste, and therefore training on Tiamat and Jourmagund which are much more friendly for learning before taking out Ouryu.

[Angelsin]

HAY GUYZ!! How is Dynamis-Tavnazia? I've heard it sucks but I wanted to ask you guys

Yes it sucks. Do regular dyn runs which are better for coins, drops, etc

I don't believe you guyz! la la la la la

Anyone else getting this feeling? Look, you came and you asked ppl what they/we thought of Dynamis-Tavnazia. We gave you an answer. It fucking sucks. It's something that MAYBE a small LS would do since it's 18 ppl max for the raid. But even then it's 1hr max. I've seen 8ppl farm xarc for longer than that and imo it's a hell of a lot more fun to do shit with the mimium amount of ppl than it is with 30+.

You asked a question, you got an answer. Don't bother arguing with ppl just because you didn't get the answer you liked. Go try another board and see if that crowd says differently. The ppl here around going to change their minds.

[jaryk]

Rather than try to debate with maxx the penguin... I think I'll just go out on a limb here and assume he's a fag.... yeah that's much easier. By the way fag, read some of the fucking responses before posting again.

[Sykes]

4 Tavnazia boss kills (2 from our LS, 2 that I've read about), 0 drops from the boss. While nothing is certain, I think we're pretty close to being able to rule out random bad luck ... if he drops anything, it is a really low drop rate, or there is some other way to modify what he drops. Besides, most of the equipment added with the Tavnazia update is unexciting anyway.

The 1 hour limit total isn't THAT bad. What IS bad, is that 30 minutes of that (well, 20 if you move fast) is spent getting SJ and the time extensions, leaving only 30-40 minutes to farm. And we HAVE farmed almost the entire time once, and it sucked hardcore.

The only hope that I have for the zone is that there is some reward in the non-boss route. There are still 2 ???s that are unaccounted for, so maybe they do something. Or maybe not, who knows.

Oh yea, and the final cutscene sucks too, so they didn't bother spending any time on the storyline either.

[Angelsin]

I remember seeing some of the dat pics etc when dyn-tav came out and I don't recall seeing anything that really jumped out at all in the entire update that made me go "Wow I'd sell my roommate's kidney for that". If the boss does drop something it can't be anything like the shadow items. I'm positive someone would've said "omg look at this item!" I would hope that SE isn't completely stupid to give us a boss that drops nothing (cue AV death topic...), I mean DL sometimes doesn't drop Shadow items

Maybe the boss drops a Goblin drink so that we can finally pop that Goblin Wolfman. :wink:

[Genosync]

Decreasing drop rates is SE's new way of increasing replayablility.

Fuck it, seriously. I gave up on the new Dynamises a long time ago.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Ok, now that youve had ample time to flame me for thinking differently and saying the requisite go back to KI, youre a fag, etc I'm back. Heres my deal: the thread was inconclusive. I would gladly pay for a run if my dynamis shell was willing to do it. They arent though.

The new stuff from CoP zones is NOT useless. The AF2+1 is strictly better than this AF2 that you all claim is so much better. Its just significantly harder to get (for retarded reasons but, hell, I've seen people pay loads for small upgrades before. Check Enkelados > Pallas > Alkys prices.) And there are sexy belts and capes of which there are many good pieces.

Hydra Tiara increases rate of Critical Hits as a permanent enchantment for any job that wants it
Hydra Tights is the same for haste (probably more than haidate)
Fuck, you all know the gear.

My point is this... are AF2s and the cost/reward of Relic Weapons really that much better? I say no. And the fun matters to me too (obviously not you.)

As for story: It cant be worse than original dynamis's... so lame

[Genosync]

Dynamis-Xarcabard Fun >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most things in the game to me

if I could join an LS that went to Xarcabard, and Xarcabard only, even if I had to pay like 50k/run, I'd join it. And even after I got AF I want from there, I'd still go. Why? It's almost always a challenge.