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[Xavier]

What I am saying is that the revolution is making it legal because those emulators are already available for the PSP but break copyright. There is even a n64 emulator for it (still buggy but runs and is in dev)

Fixed, and isn't it kinda sad when the selling point of the PSP is an emulator that plays SNES games?

[Maxxthepenguin]

Thing is, many really new, innovative things usually come in smaller doses, those alone don't do much to make the game groundbreaking different, but they do pave the way for ideas for many other people. I agree a lot of developers are getting lazy and the less well known ones don't have the funds to create a great game (even though the ideas and concepts may be there).

RE 2 was new in the way the 2 characters and stories intertwined and basically gave you 4 games, the quick turn (back+square) was also new. RE3 was new in that you could mix gun powders to make ammo (greatness) and could semi customize and make guns. You could dodge and evade alot easier and less cumbersomely then before and Nemesis was a new enemy in RE terms cause he was pretty much the only boss you fought (and was relentless at that, getting chased through multiple zones is new, and no one expected that). So, yeah, RE2 > RE3 was a pretty big jump.

Never talk about sports games, they suck so much the only thing that gets updated are the players and the graphics. Games don't increase by a little bit though usually, I'd think that people are taking bigger steps to make the games more enjoyable, FFX > FFXII is a fucking huge step, even though it's similiar to FFXI (which is also innovative for a MMO) it's still something new and awesome that SE are taking a chance with. RE:CV > RE4 was huge, DMC2 > DMC 3 was pretty big too. SO > SO2 and so on~ if you think about it, the only games that don't really get better or at least different are FPS, RTS, Sports games and .Hack (lol)

A new console does inspire you, and Nintendo also does force you to be creative if you want to develop a game for them but it could also turn off a lot of developers cause ideas are hard to come by. The best thing Nintendo said it would do is allow 3rd party developers, I was excited when I heard that, I didn't give 2 shits when they said you could play S/NES on it (although I cared a bit when they said you could play Genesis). For me, the only thing Nintendo or whoever HAVE, and I mean really HAVE too get right is the controller, for me, Nintendo's fate hangs with the controller.

Get it right, get rich, get it wrong, get out.

You gave very very bad examples, because those were incremental steps. Multiple Character Switching has been around before RE2, Seiken Densetsu 3 comes to mind. Just because it was the 1st in the genre doesnt mean its innovation. Gun powder making = crafting which has been along for a long time. Improving controls (with few exceptions) is not innovative either, its fixing mistakes. RE4 was innovative actually though, how it controlled etc. You can't say a transition between games is innovative, games should stand on their own. Each FF has had innovations in some way, but its pretty common for RPGs to innovate since it is the only genre where the 'gameplay' isn't defined. Diablo II and Final Fantasy and Morrowind are all RPGs and all play very differently. .hack as a concept was innovative actually as a postmodern twist on MMOs. It was a plot innovation, but those count

Oh and if Nintendo's fate hangs with the controller than the DS must not be a phenomenon like it is, that has people camping out to get new color of a rerelease. Also, for the people who are (or at least should be) in the game industry, this controller sparks a multitude of ideas. I've heard some and come up with many ways to use it for new fun. Hell, even a reinterpretation of a current game for the system's controller will have to come up with new ways to do things and thus innovate. Necessity breeds innovation. EA board meetings don't

For the record, I do like your arguement though I disagree with parts of it.

[Parshias]

Th Revolution should open Nintendo up a lot to 3rd party developers, since a Revolution dev kit is cheaper than a PSP dev kit, (and of course much cheaper than developing for 360 or PS3) and I think I read its not much different than programming for the Gamecube.

Some developers have preliminary dev kits so far, and they're pretty much a Gamecube + motion sensor + new controller, so the final product probably won't be too much more complicated to design games for.

[Elcura]

You gave very very bad examples, because those were incremental steps. Multiple Character Switching has been around before RE2, Seiken Densetsu 3 comes to mind. Just because it was the 1st in the genre doesnt mean its innovation. Gun powder making = crafting which has been along for a long time. Improving controls (with few exceptions) is not innovative either, its fixing mistakes. RE4 was innovative actually though, how it controlled etc. You can't say a transition between games is innovative, games should stand on their own. Each FF has had innovations in some way, but its pretty common for RPGs to innovate since it is the only genre where the 'gameplay' isn't defined. Diablo II and Final Fantasy and Morrowind are all RPGs and all play very differently. .hack as a concept was innovative actually as a postmodern twist on MMOs. It was a plot innovation, but those count

=X maybe I worded it wrong 1st paragraph was about innovation and second was about incremental - but I was trying to say how incremental steps can be good and new, most things that appear in games also appear in real life (crafting etc) so if a game has crafting in it, is it truly innovative? But I guess being the first to do something (on different platforms of course) counts as innovation. .Hack was innovative at first, the gameplay, ideas and story were great in the first game (I loved the last bost encounter and build up), then the story and the gameplay pretty much stayed the same apart from getting better/stronger spells and the story died down around game 3.

It sounds like you contradict yourself when it comes to RE4, the change was in the aiming and camera perspective, nothing else was much different (that didn't happen in other games/genres) but I still consider it innovative cause it's a new thing for RE to do and pull off, my idea of innovative is different from yours (or I'm using the wrong words) but it still counts for me.

When I look at a game series (or a new game) I look for what's new in the game I'm playing (the case for stand-alone games is; I look for new things that other games in the same genre haven't got or what they changed and got right), not what's new that hasn't been done in another game before.

As for FF, only reason I mentioned FFX > FFXII is cause it really is a big jump, if FFXII was ATB I doubt I would've minded (it can get boring during random battles though and ATB isn't innovative in later FF's, at first it was though). FFVI > VII was innovative in graphics > FFVIII wasn't innovative, it was just materia done differently > FFIX wasn't very innovative either cause it had been done in a previous FF (iirc). But all had changes in it which set them apart, something new or something rehashed and presented differently. Doesn't stop the game being fun, all 3 used ATB systems so the battles played out similarly.

Oh and if Nintendo's fate hangs with the controller than the DS must not be a phenomenon like it is, that has people camping out to get new color of a rerelease. Also, for the people who are (or at least should be) in the game industry, this controller sparks a multitude of ideas. I've heard some and come up with many ways to use it for new fun. Hell, even a reinterpretation of a current game for the system's controller will have to come up with new ways to do things and thus innovate. Necessity breeds innovation. EA board meetings don't

For the record, I do like your arguement though I disagree with parts of it.

I didn't say anything about the DS controls, it obviously works well (although we won't see it's true potential until we grow 2 more arms) and that's fine, it works. The Revo hasn't been tested for it's new games, we've seen demos of peole being stupid with sound effects, but the thing that bothers me is that maybe a game would be all about cooking? I don't see how much fun that would be, and the size of normal affordable TVs is probably too small to have anything exciting and swingy done well. I can think of a number of things that can go wrong with the controller, I can also see a few things that would be awesome too (no guns though olde). It gives me ideas about how I'd like some games to play out. But I'm worried that the controller would restrict you on the type of game play you can enjoy during one game, if it's a sword swinging game (like a FP hack 'n slash) wouldn't you get tired and possibly bored (but mostly tired) from swing that around? Anyway, enough of my ramblings about the controller, I just hope they pull it off.

el oh el @ EA board meetings, I haven't played a good EA games forever (I can't even remember a good game they did).

[Milks]

And has few good games made for it.

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What I am saying is that the revolution isn't doing anything new because those emulators are already available for the PSP for a very long time. There is even a n64 emulator for it (still buggy but runs and is in dev)

There is also a Playstation Emulator that is being developed by Sony itself, Not to mention that one has been in the works by another developer.


I'm not all impressed with the revolution but what they're doing seems nice.

I'm impressed with the revolution for one reason. These games are going to be running full speed, as good as they were in original form. Not buggy sound, or anything like that. I have a PSP, and the emulation on it is disappointing. Anything besides NES games run like absolute shit, as in the sound doesn't sound right or it runs at a crawl. Especially mode9 games on SNES, like F-Zero.

[Meilyn]

zomg bring back the Power Glove and the Super Scope!

Are they planning on letting you use different controllers than the remote-control looking thing? Playing Street Fighter II or Killer Instinct with one hand would just be kinda weird...

[6souls]

There is also a Playstation Emulator that is being developed by Sony itself

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6145973.html

In addition, Kutaragi announced that Sony is developing an emulator that will allow PSPs to play original PlayStation games. He said the PS games would be digitally distributed to PSPs, adding ammo to rumors that Sony is planning to distribute classic games much like Microsoft already does with the Xbox 360 and Nintendo will with the Revolution.

[Vade]

zomg bring back the Power Glove and the Super Scope!

Are they planning on letting you use different controllers than the remote-control looking thing? Playing Street Fighter II or Killer Instinct with one hand would just be kinda weird...

Yeah, they haev a base controller that you plug the remote into that looks like the wavebird. Or they'll release a specialized controller with motion sensing for fighers

[Okan]

zomg bring back the Power Glove and the Super Scope!

Are they planning on letting you use different controllers than the remote-control looking thing? Playing Street Fighter II or Killer Instinct with one hand would just be kinda weird...

Super Scope owned your fucking face!

[edgarfigaro]

I can't wait for the revolution's controller, because one will FINALLY be able to swing around lightsabers in a Star Wars game for real. It'll be hell to debug, but damn it would sell like fucking hot cakes...the online battles alone would just be insane.

[Carbon]

Though it may sound a little weird, I feel "at home," sort of, when I play older games that I used to play when I was kid. Memories I didn't know I had come floating back into my thoughts, and for just a very few, delicious moments, I feel like I'm a kid again. :3

I love my old games. I treasure them forever. In fact, I still have a bunch of my old SNES, NES, and Genesis games. :3 I don't have the heart to get rid of them.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Though it may sound a little weird, I feel "at home," sort of, when I play older games that I used to play when I was kid. Memories I didn't know I had come floating back into my thoughts, and for just a very few, delicious moments, I feel like I'm a kid again. :3

I love my old games. I treasure them forever. In fact, I still have a bunch of my old SNES, NES, and Genesis games. :3 I don't have the heart to get rid of them.

I know the feeling... just something about playing lTTP just relaxes me.

[Paralyzed]

I'm hoping that Nintendo will somehow add online multiplayer to the older games, or at least something new that you can't get from downloading them for free off the internet. Anyways, it probably isn't likely.

I don't know about people bitching about newer games. I thought God Of War was a fucking masterpiece.

[Lordwafik]

new games rock too. Games that arent possible on old consoles like : Space Channel 5, We <3 Katamari, Resident Evil4, Silent Hill series, PN03 (underrated, good game), Smash bros melee, Rez, Pikmin, etc etc.

Old games will only be a big hit with the older gamers.

If you dont see what Nintendo are trying to do, they've already worked their magic. It's a strategic plan.


Older gamers play older games all the time on their old consoles.
Older gamers will buy Revolution
*nintendo throws a pokeball about here and captures the adult audience*
Nintendo releases a bunch of games aimed at an older audience
Nintendo wins.

[Kaylia]

new games rock too. Games that arent possible on old consoles like : Space Channel 5, We <3 Katamari, Resident Evil4, Silent Hill series, PN03 (underrated, good game), Smash bros melee, Rez, Pikmin, etc etc.

Old games will only be a big hit with the older gamers.

If you dont see what Nintendo are trying to do, they've already worked their magic. It's a strategic plan.


Older gamers play older games all the time on their old consoles.
Older gamers will buy Revolution
*nintendo throws a pokeball about here and captures the adult audience*
Nintendo releases a bunch of games aimed at an older audience
Nintendo wins.

It's not entirely true. I've a bunch of little sisters, and they play my old console as often, if not more, than recent game.

[Lordwafik]

new games rock too. Games that arent possible on old consoles like : Space Channel 5, We <3 Katamari, Resident Evil4, Silent Hill series, PN03 (underrated, good game), Smash bros melee, Rez, Pikmin, etc etc.

Old games will only be a big hit with the older gamers.

If you dont see what Nintendo are trying to do, they've already worked their magic. It's a strategic plan.


Older gamers play older games all the time on their old consoles.
Older gamers will buy Revolution
*nintendo throws a pokeball about here and captures the adult audience*
Nintendo releases a bunch of games aimed at an older audience
Nintendo wins.

It's not entirely true. I've a bunch of little sisters, and they play my old console as often, if not more, than recent game.

I know newer gamers will like old games (i got my cousins into old Snes games, LttP, FF, etc ), but the real focus of the older games is the older audience.

[Elcura]

new games rock too. Games that arent possible on old consoles like : Space Channel 5, We <3 Katamari, Resident Evil4, Silent Hill series, PN03 (underrated, good game), Smash bros melee, Rez, Pikmin, etc etc.

Old games will only be a big hit with the older gamers.

If you dont see what Nintendo are trying to do, they've already worked their magic. It's a strategic plan.


Older gamers play older games all the time on their old consoles.
Older gamers will buy Revolution
*nintendo throws a pokeball about here and captures the adult audience*
Nintendo releases a bunch of games aimed at an older audience
Nintendo wins.

Rez was such an awesome game

Although I don't quite get what you meant by the last part about the older games = Revo win. I mean, why explain it when it seems painfully obvious that's who they're trying to appeal too?

You could say that PS3 wins cause it appeals to people who like mainstream things or are graphic whores, they appeal to people in that market so therefore they win?

Likewise Xbox could win cause they appeal to FPS/online gamers with Xbox live, therefore hooking that audience and then winning?

I'd like to think that there was more then 1 key factor in a console that makes it good.

What was I talking about?

Oh yeah, Rez fucking owns, such an underrated game, I wish I still had it...

[Carbon]

SSBM and Space Channel 5 .... ahhh...

[Maxxthepenguin]

Rez was such an awesome game

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Oh yeah, Rez fucking owns, such an underrated game, I wish I still had it...

I know somebody who got rez+the 'trance vibrator', and a girlfriend around 2 weeks later. 2nd date, they barely have even kissed, she walks in on him playing rez, sees the vibrator, grabs it, and proceeds to get off to him playing Rez.

[Zigma]

What I am saying is that the revolution is making it legal because those emulators are already available for the PSP but break copyright. There is even a n64 emulator for it (still buggy but runs and is in dev)

Fixed, and isn't it kinda sad when the selling point of the PSP is an emulator that plays SNES games?

Emulators are legal and there are already services that allow you to purchase legal roms images for those systems listed instead downloading it.

a PSP has never been about just running home brew software. It is just something that comes with the community.

It's about playing movies, playing 3d accelerated games, listen to music, surfing the internet etc all in your pocket.

Why would I wanna buy a revolution? To me, there isn't anything innovating about it other than the controller. Agree or disagree with me but don't go trying to 'fix' my post without getting you facts straight.