ROFL NINTENDO OWNS

[burntaru]

You're failing to see my point, my comment was not about quantity, but quality. On every level, not just games, but also hardware, support, etc. The things I mentioned were just a few more known items, if you want to get anal about it, go back to the NES and start counting the "steps" nintendo has made in the past 20+ years its been in the gaming business, then you list what Sony & MS have innovated, compare them.

I believe what this new system (if it lives up to hype, I'm not stupid shit happens) is trying to do is change the grooves that we've become so comfortable with in the past 2 generations of consoles. The industry is beocming stagnant and we all know, well most of us who are old enough, remember what happened in the 80s with Atari. Nintendo is once again taking leaps to keep the industry fresh, sure their in it for money would be pointless to SELL systems if you werent. But they also make these leaps of faith with a risk of it failing (IE: Virtualboy, N64:DD)

Call it fanboyism or whatever the hell you want, or maybe its the truth that pisses most off. A company that is so "kiddy" in design, remains profitable on every system. MS rep stated that they had "The Greatest Launch in Video Game History" with the 360, yet across the states they were short systems, still are. And in JPN from my understanding they dont sell for shit. Yes JPN is a very VERY important market, I mean c'mon they flooded the streets to buy a RERELEASED Nintendo DS, not once, but TWICE and the shit sold out BEFORE the stores opened. So Viva La Revolution, good luck to sony with the BluRay DVDs and congratulations MS on crashing your own systems, saved many hackers the time.

PS. Something stupid for you... My cats breath smells like cat food!
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[Elcura]

You're failing to see my point, my comment was not about quantity, but quality. On every level, not just games, but also hardware, support, etc. The things I mentioned were just a few more known items, if you want to get anal about it, go back to the NES and start counting the "steps" nintendo has made in the past 20+ years its been in the gaming business, then you list what Sony & MS have innovated, compare them.

The fact that Nintendo delivers "quality" not "quantity" was BECAUSE they had no 3rd party support (or very little, and what was 3rd PT usually flopped) and because of that they missed many chances for good games, and also weeded out some potentially bad ones. They made their own games the way they wanted too, no one cares about how many games they put out. The point is now that they are including 3rd party support they're closer to how Sony is during this time (lots of games, many bad ones, few good ones). I don't remember that many steps, I never payed attention to that really, I just liked the games, this is what they did that I remember: Hand held gaming done successfully and 16 Bit machine. Sony did 3D graphics successfully and huge 3rd party support (and quite possibly memory cards?) Mircosoft made Windows (lol) but I don't care that much about MS. Meh, Sony never has been one on innovation, but the amount of great games on the PS1, as well as on the PS2 (which was because of 3rd PT support) had it heads over the N64 and doing equally as well as the GC (if not better, matter of debate though). Innovation isn't everything, getting a game right is more important even if it isn't ground breaking.

As for the Tomb Raider vs Mario 64 thing, meh, only 3months apart so they were being developed at around the same time (you know, the time when no one know's shit about the games?) It's impossible to copy a game like that, release date is really irrelevant.

I believe what this new system (if it lives up to hype, I'm not stupid shit happens) is trying to do is change the grooves that we've become so comfortable with in the past 2 generations of consoles. The industry is beocming stagnant and we all know, well most of us who are old enough, remember what happened in the 80s with Atari. Nintendo is once again taking leaps to keep the industry fresh, sure their in it for money would be pointless to SELL systems if you werent. But they also make these leaps of faith with a risk of it failing (IE: Virtualboy, N64:DD)

I believe the people you SHOULD be talking about are Sega, they're the ones who took so many huge risks, unfortunately it never payed off in the end but Nintendo hasn't always been a big leap taker as Sega, they more like waited for Sega to jump and when they fell over they would jump on Sega's back and over them. back in the day when it was Sega vs Nintendo though it was anyone's game. NES > SNES and Master System > Genesis aren't risks, they're upgrades. Risks were things like Sega Saturn and Dreamcast. Which I give mad props to Sega for opening up the possibility.

All companies take risks, you think Sony doing 3rd PT support wasn't a risk, hell them even MAKING a console wasn't a risk? You think it didn't pay off? Nintendo did 3D gaming after everyone, they did Next Gen after everyone else, Nintendo likes to play it safe and see what works. Nintendo Revs is the one of two times recently Nintendo has taken a big risk (DS anyone?) High risks have a chance to make money but they do take money in the process.

Call it fanboyism or whatever the hell you want, or maybe its the truth that pisses most off. A company that is so "kiddy" in design, remains profitable on every system. MS rep stated that they had "The Greatest Launch in Video Game History" with the 360, yet across the states they were short systems, still are. And in JPN from my understanding they dont sell for shit. Yes JPN is a very VERY important market, I mean c'mon they flooded the streets to buy a RERELEASED Nintendo DS, not once, but TWICE and the shit sold out BEFORE the stores opened. So Viva La Revolution, good luck to sony with the BluRay DVDs and congratulations MS on crashing your own systems, saved many hackers the time.

No one gives a shit about how kiddy it is, that doesn't matter. It's only ignorant people who say it's just a kids console (yah, I'd like to see 5yr old Timmy play REmake).

Japan is only an important market for Japanese companies and developers, American and English devs/etc couldn't care less about them because the English player base (EU/NA) is MUCH bigger, making a game that lots of English people care about is more important that making a game that Japanese people care about. Not doubting that Japan is an important market (hitting it there pretty much makes you hot profit) but it's stupid to cater to just them. Even if the 360 didn't sell well over there, I'll bet you that Oblivion and Halo 3 will make it sell like water in a desert.

Japanese people are weird in that they're pretty obsessive and easily hyped up (very easily), if you know anything about Japanese culture like how fucked up it is, them crowding for a game/console release isn't surprising. You could make them do the same for a piece of shit if you advertise and hype it up properly. First day sales ftw.

But finally, like I've said a million times, let's wait till they all come out, we've had a good time to actually judge ourselves instead of watching companies fling poo poo at each other trying to entice us to buy their systems.

PS. Something stupid for you... My cats breath smells like cat food!
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Was so the reason I replied.

[Rex]

To me Nintendo will always the highest quality of games to me. I personaly can't wait for Revolution, just hoping I can afford it.

Supposed to be $110 USD at launch, last I heard.

[Xavier]

To me Nintendo will always the highest quality of games to me. I personaly can't wait for Revolution, just hoping I can afford it.

Supposed to be $110 USD at launch, last I heard.

So you're saying their next gen system will launch at a price lower than their current handheld? You sir, are a genius.

Oh, and I think the Tomb Raider vs. Mario 64 thing is a stupid comparison, because the Playstation only had the d-pad for control, while the N64 was built with the stick. Controlling a character in 3D with a d-pad was retarded.

Not to mention Mario 64 was WAY better than Tomb Raider anyway.

[Rex]

There's something you both forgot; it's called 3rd Party developers. Sony has always had 3rd party developers, Nintendo will only start using them more this generation and MS uses them somewhat randomly (I don't really keep up with MS). Sony has hardly ever released any games by itself cause it's all in the 3rd party devs, if it's software you're talking about, Sony has no part of that, if it's hardware then Nintendo hasn't pushed the front as hard as you think (analog+rumble pack is about it) where Sony copied and modified to make something work as all companies do.

You can't say Nintendo cares just about the gamers and not money, if they didn't care about money there wouldn't be a competition between companies and Nintendo would've went fucking BUST years ago if they didn't care about money.

Nintendo cares about money, you can see this with all the Zelda/Metroid/Mario games they bring out, as well as releasing new games in a popular series (SSB).

Anyway, I've argued to death about this topic, so this is pretty much my last post in the matter unless someone says something incredibly stupid/ignorant.

First off, the SNES was all about the third party developer, they lost a lot of that support when they didn't go the cd way with the N64, but they've been getting it back with Gamecube and on, so you can't say this is the first time they've really used them much; it's more of a coming-around. Nintendo, though, does have a huge internal development team, probably one of the biggest in the world, if not the biggest, so it's no surprise that they come out with a ton of first-party software; with that many people working for them it would be a damned shame if all they did was come up with a new console every 5 years and do nothing else.

As far as innovation goes, Nintendo is the only one out there that has an entire team dedicated to research and development of new ideas. That's all they do, come up with ideas, test new things, if they don't work they just throw them out. That's not exactly something cheap to do, and if they haven't had payouts, I doubt Nintendo would keep them employed.

If you think analog+rumble pack is the only thing they've done you're not really looking at the big picture. Gameboy come to mind? Original NES controller (revolutionary at the time), what they did to the lightgun, the "Nintendo Power Pad" (hello DDR!)? Hell, Nintendo even invented the 3D platformer. Then there's recent things like the DS which has huge potential, and of course the upcoming Revolution.

On top of that, did you know you can credit Nintendo with the creation of the Playstation? Story time, kiddos! Some of you (those that aren't 12 years old at least) probably remember years ago hearing about the Nintendo disk drive system add-on thing for the SNES that never really went anywhere but got a lot of press. Well, at the time, Nintendo had contracted Sony to design it for them, and all went good and well, but internally, there were issues with Sony's terms and the contract got secretly terminated. When Nintendo was to go public with the announcement, they stated they would be partnering with Philips, not Sony. Obviously Sony was pissed and they were going to scrap all the work they'd done, but turns out, they had an almost finished product. They polished it up and released it as the Playstation; in my opintion, probably the single biggest mistake Nintendo ever made.

Of course, you can't not mention their fuck-up with making the Virtual Boy, which was still innovative but very badly executed and actually painful to play. But luckily for them, most people don't even remember it at all, so I guess that's to Nintendo's credit.

As far as money matters, obviously Nintendo is about the money (they're a business first and foremost, duh) and not only that but they're good at what they do. I forget exactly but something like 7 of the 10 best selling games of all time are Nintendo titles, they've made tons off of the original gameboy and each iteration of it since, and probably one of the only companies that stays in the black year after year. Say what you want about Nintendo, but they know what they're doing.

[Not Kuno]

I've played Virtual Boy before. Black and red lines ftw.

[Elcura]

First off, the SNES was all about the third party developer, they lost a lot of that support when they didn't go the cd way with the N64, but they've been getting it back with Gamecube and on, so you can't say this is the first time they've really used them much; it's more of a coming-around. Nintendo, though, does have a huge internal development team, probably one of the biggest in the world, if not the biggest, so it's no surprise that they come out with a ton of first-party software; with that many people working for them it would be a damned shame if all they did was come up with a new console every 5 years and do nothing else.

I said Nintendo only recently started using them more (as in a little before with SE and Capcom etc) and now more with Nintendo Revs. Also Nintendo is just a gaming company, which helps, MS and Sony also do alot of others things and don't just focus on gaming (which is a shame). I don't even know why I'm arguing FOR MS and Sony and against Nintendo, my original point was to wait till all 3 new consoles come out to get a better view on things (and wait for a few games/accessories to come out).

As far as innovation goes, Nintendo is the only one out there that has an entire team dedicated to research and development of new ideas. That's all they do, come up with ideas, test new things, if they don't work they just throw them out. That's not exactly something cheap to do, and if they haven't had payouts, I doubt Nintendo would keep them employed.

Ok, marketing and research teams, that's not surprising. Do you know for certain if MS and Sony don't do that? If you can direct me to a page where it says they don't I'll be grateful.

If you think analog+rumble pack is the only thing they've done you're not really looking at the big picture. Gameboy come to mind?

Did you miss where I said "handheld gaming done properly"? Did you read my other post?

Original NES controller (revolutionary at the time), what they did to the lightgun, the "Nintendo Power Pad" (hello DDR!)? Hell, Nintendo even invented the 3D platformer. Then there's recent things like the DS which has huge potential, and of course the upcoming Revolution.

Again did you read my other post?

On top of that, did you know you can credit Nintendo with the creation of the Playstation? Story time, kiddos! Some of you (those that aren't 12 years old at least) probably remember years ago hearing about the Nintendo disk drive system add-on thing for the SNES that never really went anywhere but got a lot of press. Well, at the time, Nintendo had contracted Sony to design it for them, and all went good and well, but internally, there were issues with Sony's terms and the contract got secretly terminated. When Nintendo was to go public with the announcement, they stated they would be partnering with Philips, not Sony. Obviously Sony was pissed and they were going to scrap all the work they'd done, but turns out, they had an almost finished product. They polished it up and released it as the Playstation; in my opintion, probably the single biggest mistake Nintendo ever made.

Again, this doesn't even mean anything, I remember reading about it before. But I'm not saying Nintendo is a shit company, I'm not saying Sony are saints but obviously they did something right. Thanks for the history lesson though, I sorely needed to be retold that. (On a side note, didn't Sega try the same thing?)

Of course, you can't not mention their fuck-up with making the Virtual Boy, which was still innovative but very badly executed and actually painful to play. But luckily for them, most people don't even remember it at all, so I guess that's to Nintendo's credit.

It's to a company's credit if they make a failure that no one remembers?

As far as money matters, obviously Nintendo is about the money (they're a business first and foremost, duh) and not only that but they're good at what they do. I forget exactly but something like 7 of the 10 best selling games of all time are Nintendo titles, they've made tons off of the original gameboy and each iteration of it since, and probably one of the only companies that stays in the black year after year. Say what you want about Nintendo, but they know what they're doing.

Funny how most of the best selling games are Mario games. The sameg ame which has these little incremental steps that people seem so against when making a sequel (read other pages plz). Sure, there was a leap to 3D but then what?

In closing (and I say this so I can stop posting OH god please let it stop) Nintendo is NOT a shit company, Sony is NOT a shit company and Microsoft (as much as it pains me to say this) is NOT a shit company. All have their merits and downfalls and it really depends on your childhood and PoV to which one is better in your eyes.

Back to my original point again: KEEP AN OPEN MIND!

In anycase, I'm regretting saying I didn't like LTTP. I was foolish, I love the game, let the madness stop.

[burntaru]

OFT but I have to comment on the Sony & Nintendo CD deal... It was more along the lines that Nintendo went with BOTH Philips (CD-I) and Sony (playstation) But when it came to terms phillips was the original contract, so was safer (apparently stupid though) to go with them. The playstation WE all played was NOT the CD system designed for the SNES, they totally redesigned and revamped the system. And FYI Phillips had some rights to Nintendo franchise (Zelda Mario) and so did sony. But Nintendo settled with Sony after the break to get them back.

And no, Nintendo is NOT the only company with teams developed directly to these innovations. But sadly the gaming community has realized it probably saves them a shitload to let nintendo do it, and then work it to their benefit later. MS has enough problems not CRASHING the 360 let alone making something "SPECIAL" for it. Maybe they'll give the 360 blue lights to match the blue screen of death that comes with the patches... KK I'm done :D

[Lordwafik]

Phillips and Sony both got pissed at the terminated contracts, and both made consoles (Phillips made CDI, Sony made Playstation) out of the prototypes.

Why did nintendo pull out? I'm pretty sure the story goes something like, they saw sega's Sega CD and how it didnt take off, they hit a very big slump due to it, and nintendo saw this and pulled out (which is why they still stuck with carts vs everyone else starting with CD's).

[burntaru]

Aight cuz I'm fucking bored and work just sucks at 1 in the morning... READ...

http://www.nintendoland.com/snes/snescdr.htm

Enjoy

[Xavier]

The most offical reason is that the president of Nintendo was outraged when he saw that Sony was going to be taking 20% of the revenue generated from the games/system. Nintendo got greedy, and it cost them 10 years of being in second and third place.

[Maxxthepenguin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjxht0WOSXY

You may hate me, but you know you love this

[RustyMetal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjxht0WOSXY

You may hate me, but you know you love this

OFN

[Anyway]

Everyone hates me.