Assault Unveiled!

[Maxxthepenguin]

BCNMs are instanced I believe... well not arenas like Ghelsba Outpost (remember when the NPC was released? ) or where the 8-3 Pot BC or ouryu (I assume he's like this, I've never done him) goes on but I've done the airship 6-4 BC fight at the same time as somebody else.
And yes, it sounds instanced... evacuating non-participants is easily explained flavorwise by (gasp) instancing!

[Taku]

I don't think ANYTHING in FFXI in instanced.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Well have you ever been denied a BCNM in a BCNM specific zone?

[Enitsu]

Well have you ever been denied a BCNM in a BCNM specific zone?

.... yes?

*Rather, I remember when Nikkei was doing her Maat fight on RDM, there was so many people spamming the BC (scorp bc area) she got kicked out at 5%.

[layoneil]

evacuating non-participants is easily explained flavorwise by (gasp) instancing!

instances by definition can not have non-participants to begin with.

and i've been in Palborough with like 60 people and they couldn't all go in at the same time. there's more than 1 of each BC area but they are not instanced.

i'm pretty sure after the 2nd Sealion's BC was released there was a line for that too.

oh and anyone can tell you about Diabolos BC being not-instanced.

[Kaworu]

sweet. sounds alot like lost dungeons of norrath if anyone remembers that....hope you get exp as you grind through

That expansion fucking sucked.

[Nikkei]

Well have you ever been denied a BCNM in a BCNM specific zone?

.... yes?

*Rather, I remember when Nikkei was doing her Maat fight on RDM, there was so many people spamming the BC (scorp bc area) she got kicked out at 5%.

I just popped out in the same area I entered, and usually when you lose you are supposed to still have a testimony but you toss it cause it was ripped during entrance. Mine was gone all together ;_;

[vegetaa]

I remember someone posting a pic of the whole Balga'dais area, where we could see several similar arenas...I also think someone replied that someone could warp-hack to open the chests from anoter party's BC, since it's in the same "zone".

This would mean that BC zones are huge places with the same arena repeated like 3-4 times. And when entering a BC, you're warped to one of the 10 arenas. So they are instanced, but with a small number of instances.

I'll try to dig that post...

[Maxxthepenguin]

Oh ok...ignore me then on BCNMs being instanced. I've just never had the problem I guess. And..

instances by definition can not have non-participants to begin with.

Thus flavorwise an instance makes sense for Assault...
I'm sure SE can code it in if the code isn't already in there.

[layoneil]

This would mean that BC zones are huge places with the same arena repeated like 3-4 times. And when entering a BC, you're warped to one of the 10 arenas. So they are instanced, but with a small number of instances.

that sounds right because that's exactly how you create the illusion of an instance while not actually having any.

Thus flavorwise an instance makes sense for Assault...

did you make up that word? i have no idea what you're saying.

[Taku]

I remember someone posting a pic of the whole Balga'dais area, where we could see several similar arenas...I also think someone replied that someone could warp-hack to open the chests from anoter party's BC, since it's in the same "zone".

This would mean that BC zones are huge places with the same arena repeated like 3-4 times. And when entering a BC, you're warped to one of the 10 arenas. So they are instanced, but with a small number of instances.

I'll try to dig that post...

Edit: oops, reiteration

[Septimus]

Assault allows for parties of three to six members to enjoy gameplay that does not last a long period of time and requires little recruitment effort. Players can choose the location, decide whether or not to impose a level restriction, and select the type of Assault mission to fit with their objectives and party organization.

Self-imposed level restrictions (meaning "never" after the hell that was CoP), you can pick battles depending on your party set up, and it does not last long periods of time? Wishes really do come true...

The only thing that could make this hotter is if it were solo + NPC. If I could just sashay over to Assult by myself and not have to beg people to help or try to organize crap, I would consider this to be the greatest expansion ever.

[layoneil]

they've stressed 3-6 people multiple times. perhaps NPCs would be involved in that. 1 tank NPC, 2 melee NPCs, 3 PCs, etc. i don't see them designing it for solo + NPC play.

self-imposed level caps is not a bad thing, you'll probably get a different pool of items depending on the cap, and it'll end up like BCNM/ENMs, where the Lv 40 cap one will have Woodsman Rings and it'll be profitable for people who want to do those.

[Hyjynx]

BC Battle fields are instanced. An instance of each battle field is created when multiple parties enter them. There happens to be a cap on the # of battle field instances that can be created but the cap does not negate the fact that they are instanced. (In most cases)

[layoneil]

BC Battle fields are instanced. An instance of each battle field is created when multiple parties enter them. There happens to be a cap on the # of battle field instances that can be created but the cap does not negate the fact that they are instanced. (In most cases)

can you prove that and refute vegetaa's post?

[Septimus]

they've stressed 3-6 people multiple times. perhaps NPCs would be involved in that. 1 tank NPC, 2 melee NPCs, 3 PCs, etc. i don't see them designing it for solo + NPC play.

self-imposed level caps is not a bad thing, you'll probably get a different pool of items depending on the cap, and it'll end up like BCNM/ENMs, where the Lv 40 cap one will have Woodsman Rings and it'll be profitable for people who want to do those.

I know they have said 3-6 people, but I am wishing out loud. Getting people to do things is one of the biggest annoyances in MMOs, having a few things you could do solo that will actually advance you in an important way (missions) would be extremely nice. If Fellows could be used in Assault I think tank PC with Soothing Healer, support PC with Fierce Attacker, and melee PC with either Soothing Healer or Fierce Attacker would rule all other set ups.

And screw self imposed level caps. After an expansion filled with useless level capped zones that people only enter to do mission or quests then promptly leave, if I see a "level capped" symbol in ToAU I am going to go ape shit. People need to be bludgeoned for the level caps in CoP.

[Hyjynx]

BC Battle fields are instanced. An instance of each battle field is created when multiple parties enter them. There happens to be a cap on the # of battle field instances that can be created but the cap does not negate the fact that they are instanced. (In most cases)

can you prove that and refute vegetaa's post?

What I said doesnt refute Vegetaa's post. In fact it somewhat agrees with it. Though there is some difference.

I'm not saying he's wrong because it could very well work that way. It took me a sec to click the submit button. His post wasnt there when I started typing mine

[Tekki]

Assault" system to provide a means of casual enjoyment for high-level players--the main target audience of the Treasures of Aht Urhgan expansion disc.

Players who often participate in Assault missions will earn "Imperial Standing" credits, which can be traded for items in the various Assault locations. In addition, players who succeed in an Assault mission have the possibility of obtaining a mysterious item. After receiving an appraisal in town, the mysterious item will then be displayed as a normal item.

Access to decent end-game gear?

Or more crap?

[Not Kuno]

Maybe I'm just optimistic, but since they're saying their trying to target end-game players I'd only assume the rewards are good in that aspect.

And at the very least they are letting players choose what they want for the points so it could be limbus-esque.

[BRP]

I remembered they compared this to Limbus, before it was named. That is a good sign.