Decriminalizing or legalizing marijuana, what do you think?

[Barrisimo]

Nice post orfeo, all true.

But I dont know about it not being addicting, I dont know If I end up getting so bored sometimes thats all I can think about, but I usually NEED to smoke it to feel right, The days I go without it are hell.

[Orfeo]

Again, that would be your personality, not the drug itself. If it were the drug itself, EVERY user, including myself would be addicted. I'm not though.

Hell, I bet if you didn't smoke pot you would be an alcholic, chain smoker, or hard drug user. In a sense, pot has saved your life.

edit: Now that I think about it, I actually have a rather addicting personality myself. For instance, the other day I found an old acid washed denim jacket and decided it would be sweet if I altered it. Sooo I chopped off the arms, put like 50 studs on it (oi oi oi), and suddenly find myself with a $100+ bill for more studs and patches to complete my vest, not out of desire to finish it, but moreso because I'm addicted to doing such things. Hell my leather jacket has over 2000 studs in it.

Felt the need to throw this in, a verse from a song I wrote...

'Cause were the kids and we dont give a fuck.
We don't have to try to push our luck.
Were having fun doing what we do.
And we wont stop to the likes of you!

[thestalkmore]

I cant believe some of you pussies here who actually care so much about the harmless things people do to themselves. There are people telling these idiots they dont smoke and they still use the same argument.

Morons like thestalkmore are like a 2 page book when it comes to this argument. Your basically backed against the wall so your only arguement is using the same thing over and over again... seriously pathetic. If you would formulate a decent argument maybe you'll stop looking like so an unbelievabley nieve moron. People like you have probably never had a thought in your mind that was implanted by your parents or teachers.

Ok I'm first off going to be a spelling and grammar nazi because people who can not spell You're, naive, and unbelievabley, shouldn't be calling someone a moron. Seriously, if you're going to take the time to call someone out based on their intelligence, you should be thorough enough with your own response so that you don't end being counterproductive to your own slanted argument and end up looking much worse than whoever you are insulting.

Furthermore, I assume you meant:

People like you have probably never had a thought in your mind that wasn't implanted by your parents or teachers.

Having corrected that sentence, I'll let you know that the "thoughts in my mind" are existential, not originating from any specific person, group, or way of thinking. I had a friend in highschool who had a 4.1 GPA until she started smoking pot in sophmore year, by her senior year she was failing half of her classes because she was too busy smoking to come to class and was too high to do her homework. I could deliniate a very extensive list if I so chose but I have many reasons to be prejudiced against smoking pot besides "ONLY LI:STEeNINGS TOTHOSE BaDGUYZ SPREADFNGING LIESZ".

Pot is useless, if you want to relax or introduce some more endorphins into your system go take a jog you lazy fuck.

[Plow]

No its not, read it again:

For years, proponents were convinced that marijuana had no addictive properties mainly because there were no scientific evidence refuting their claim.

Many important functions of the brain, which dictate our behavior, involve dopamine. It is known that highly addictive drugs such as cocaine and heroin interfere with this dopamine and alter the individual. Hence, the abuse potentials of drugs are measured on the extent to which they interfere with dopamine regulation (i.e. production, release, or re-uptake). Dopamine is believed to be a neurotransmitter associated with the brain reward system, which is responsible for pleasure sensations. An integral part of this system is the mesolimbic pathway in which the nucleus accumbens of the limbic system produce dopamine.

The proponents of marijuana believed that cannabinoids did not act on the mesolimbic pathway. They believed that cannabinoids did not act on the dopaminergic synapses. Today we know that this is not the case. Experiments have shown that delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (delta-9-THC), the major active chemical in cannabis (cannabidiol and cannabinol are also prominent ingredients of cannabis plant), does increase the extracellular concentrations of dopamine in the "shell" [the nucleus accumbens consists of a "shell" and a "core" which is distinct from one another anatomically and histochemically (Pontier et al. 1995)] of nucleus accumbens (Tanda et al. 1997; Diana et al. 1998). Tanda et al. found that delta-9-THC utilized the same pathway as that utilized by opioids, such as heroin which utilizes the opioid receptors. It was found that heroin and delta-9-THC utilized the same opioid receptor, mu-1, which eventually causes the increase in concentration of dopamine in the nucleus accumbens. Diana et al. also found similar results concerning the dopamine concentration increase in response to delta-9-THC. The administration of this chemical along with a synthetic cannabinoid agonist (WIN 55212,2) produced a dose-related increase in the firing rate in dopaminergic neurons. From such experiments, the claim that marijuana has no effect on dopamine concentration can be refuted.

From current knowledge, one may assume that marijuana does have some addictive qualities but are limited in its potencies. Hence they should not be classified with some of the most addictive drugs of today. With the information acquired, one may infer that cannabinoids act upon dopamine by an indirect route. Cannabinoid neurons interact with the opioid neurons, which, in turn, stimulate the release of dopamine by another indirect connection to dopaminergic neurons. Advances in the characterization of cannabinoid receptors have revealed that there are cannabinoid receptors in the ventromedial striatum and basal ganglia, which are associated in the dopamine production, but no cannabinoid receptors were found in the dopaminergic neurons (Axelrod et al. 1998). Therefore, among the most controversial addictive drugs, cocaine and amphetamine, which are dopaminergic stimulant, have direct access to the increase of dopamine. Opioids, such as heroin, utilize a more indirect route through the mu-1 receptor. And cannabinoids are the least direct in their action (Tanda et al. 1997). This may be a reason why the addictive properties of cannabinoids are much more limited than cocaine, for example. Though delta-9-THC has been proven to have the neurochemical functions characteristic of an addictive substance, one must realize that marijuana is not a "hard" drug and should not be categorized with such drugs

Do you understand what they are talking about is a physical addiction.

Physical addiction is when a person's body actually becomes dependent on a particular substance (even smoking is physically addictive). It also means that a person builds tolerance to that substance, so that person needs a larger dose than ever before to get the same effects

It had the same effect on a much much smaller scale to hard drugs. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean that its not true.

/sigh you don't even understand what you're posting.

First off, this study shows that there IS NO direct connection between pot and dopamine, there is an indirect effect.

What it's saying is that dopamine is part of your body's "reward system." Pretty much every time you feel happy, your body is releasing extra dopamine. This means that ANYTHING which makes you happy has this kind of effect.

That study is really quite bad, considering nobody's really arguing that getting high affects your dopamine, and it directly states that people are.

It gets better when you contradict yourself.

Physical addiction is when a person's body actually becomes dependent on a particular substance (even smoking is physically addictive).

What your study shows is that pot has an indirect effect on current dopamine levels. This does not imply dependance in any way.

moving on

You giving up other drugs and being in denial about pot really have nothing todo with each other.

It shows that I can recognize when I have a problem, and I react, and that pot is not a problem for me.

Your brain gets used to higher dopamine levels over time and you get the "I have to have it" feeling from that.

No, actually, I, personally, (holy commas batman) do not. And I've quit pot for months at a time simply to prove this to myself, for my own good.

You read that, instead of refuting my point, being that if you don't agree with the law, breaking it won't help the situations.

There are exceptions to every rule. Smoking pot is one. Refusing to sit at the back of the bus is another. Fucking little boys is not. Get it?

It was a computer store, he stole keyboard, mice, headphones. We even had a whole computer stolen at one point. I can assure you this is very real, I'm not joking when I say the kids we caught and pled down to get a reduced sentence admit they were using the money to buy weed. Why is this so hard for you to believe?

LOL because what people say in order to reduce their sentencing means ANYTHING whatsoever. And of course, if they were admitting to having been in posession of something which, at most, might get them 6 months' probation, they'd admit if they were doing stuff that would get them real time in jail, so of course they only smoke pot, right? Right...

Your question: Say someone found an unopened beer from when you did drink, and you went to jail and had to serve probation for it. How would you feel about that?

My answer: I would own up to my mistakes and do my best to avoid making the same mistake in the future.

That doesn't seem like dodging it to me? That's how I would feel if that had happened to me.

That's what you would do, not how you would feel. Let me give an example of an appropriate answer: Not good.

Yes, some drugs have this side effect. Again, why is this that hard to accept?

Drowziness, maybe. Lightheadedness, definately. Laziness is a freaking human trait, not a symptom.

Also Plow. My points are being made from credible soruces. In most cases I'm taking them out of articles and research done where the authors own opinion is to legalize the drug. On the other hand, your previous post is composed mostly of:

Sorry I've been in an exp pt most of this time and am in sky now. If you want me to quote studies and shit, you'll have to wait til I'm less busy. Meanwhile know that I'm a junior double majoring in psychology and politcal science. (Yes I'm a junior at 24, I started out in mechanical engineering and like I said I've been through some shit.) I'm responding with my knowledge from the field of study.

Fact: The amount of smokers will not increase if you make it legal, nor will it decrease.

Just an example: My mother has worked at hospice for years. Long enough that she is actually the ceo of a company that makes software for hospices now. She's known and seen about thousands of people suffering massively and dealing with not only the side effects of a terminal ilness, and chemotherapy, but also the massive quantities of opiates and the side effects with them. She understands fully that many of these people could smoke a joint and feel a thousand times better. I'm pretty sure if there weren't such dramatic risks involved legally, I could get her to smoke with me now and then when I see her. That's just one example.


Anyway, none of this really has anything to do with the issue of rather or not pot should be legalized, except for the stealing thing, which is a ridiculous argument. Because people have used something as an excuse for stealing, it should not be made more readily available and affordable? What?! Time to ban cars, TVs, houses, anything and everything in the world basically, because somebody's stolen for just about everything I'm certain.

[Plow]

I cant believe some of you pussies here who actually care so much about the harmless things people do to themselves. There are people telling these idiots they dont smoke and they still use the same argument.

Morons like thestalkmore are like a 2 page book when it comes to this argument. Your basically backed against the wall so your only arguement is using the same thing over and over again... seriously pathetic. If you would formulate a decent argument maybe you'll stop looking like so an unbelievabley nieve moron. People like you have probably never had a thought in your mind that was implanted by your parents or teachers.

Ok I'm first off going to be a spelling and grammar nazi because people who can not spell You're, naive, and unbelievabley, shouldn't be calling someone a moron. Seriously, if you're going to take the time to call someone out based on their intelligence, you should be thorough enough with your own response so that you don't end being counterproductive to your own slanted argument and end up looking much worse than whoever you are insulting.

Furthermore, I assume you meant:

People like you have probably never had a thought in your mind that wasn't implanted by your parents or teachers.

Having corrected that sentence, I'll let you know that the "thoughts in my mind" are existential, not originating from any specific person, group, or way of thinking. I had a friend in highschool who had a 4.1 GPA until she started smoking pot in sophmore year, by her senior year she was failing half of her classes because she was too busy smoking to come to class and was too high to do her homework. I could deliniate a very extensive list if I so chose but I have many reasons to be prejudiced against smoking pot besides "ONLY LI:STEeNINGS TOTHOSE BaDGUYZ SPREADFNGING LIESZ".

Pot is useless, if you want to relax or introduce some more endorphins into your system go take a jog you lazy fuck.

Ever taken a jog man? Ever taken a jog on weeeeed?

And you misspelled unbelievably. lolz

oh and cannot is one word~

Seriously, if you're going to take the time to call someone out based on their intelligence, you should be thorough enough with your own response so that you don't end being counterproductive to your own slanted argument and end up looking much worse than whoever you are insulting.

not going into that "sentence"

[SephYuyX]

Youre 16 and have been smoking for 4 years, lol thats pretty fucking sad.

Hope your parents are proud of you, pot head.

[NynJa]

This thread's rather pathetic, full of fucking potheads who know nothing more than "its 4:20!", and the only thing running through my head while reading this:

Weed is for niggers

The reason cigarettes are legal and weed isnt is because people dont go "you ever seen a 20$ bill ? You see a 20$ bill, on tobacco ?!?".

[Shaede]

Pot is useless, if you want to relax or introduce some more endorphins into your system go take a jog you lazy fuck.

I'm inclined to agree. Just because I dislike the drug laws, it's merely because of their unconstitutional nature. I also do not agree with the lack of acceptance that American culture is teeming with when dealing with certain subjects. I do not smoke, I've never been drunk, I don't abuse any substance, and I disdain using medications unless I'm in dire need of it. If anyone is going to judge others for using drugs recreationally it should be someone like me, right?

You might think so, but it doesn't have to be that way. I understand that others do things that I would not, and that is certainly alright by me. Someone else using pot doesn't have any effect on me as long as its secondhand fumes aren't forced onto me. I'd rather see the user educated and responsible, using clean home grown leaves instead of having them deal with the corrupt drug trade, getting it laced with other substances, and geting put in jail for doing something relatively harmless and as an effect getting taught how to further deviate from the law. Yes, that was likely a run on sentence.

Anyway, there are side effects. It is addictive. It does cause tissue damage to your lungs and circulatory system. Yes, there are ways to make it safer, but even then there are negative side effects. Increasing the release of pheromones means you have less stored up, and as a result, can contribute to depression.

A true fix to feeling better is a good diet, healthy relationships, and excersize of some sort. Increase your rate of production of the chemicals in your brain rather then using drugs to release them all at once. There is absolutly no reason, though, that some drug usage should be such a horrible thing. In moderation, your health will not suffer and we all know that having an alcoholic beverage can be fun at a social gathering. Why not pot? You can ruin your life off of either one, but with a little responsibility, it'll ruin your life a lot less then our drug laws will if you're caught with it.

[Orfeo]

Youre 16 and have been smoking for 4 years, lol thats pretty fucking sad.

Hope your parents are proud of you, pot head.

Eh, I come from a pretty broken family. Pot was a nice alternative to suicide back in the days of clinical depression.

I like how when somebody is so obviously loosing an argument, they turn to using really meaningless insults.

PS: Did ou read anything I wrote?

And now a random song with relevant lyrics.

Cornered in the alleyway,back street kids live for today
We're kinda weird to you,you can't stand anything we do
We have the right to choose,'cause were born to lose
We may be fucking sick,at least we know were free

My mind is not for rent, I won't listen to what you say
You better take a hard look, we are sick of your rules
By the ink on my skin, you can see that im the real thing
Up the fucking punx, our sound is fucking strong

PROUD TO BE PUNK! WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK!
PROUD TO BE PUNK! WOOOOAAAHH
PROUD TO BE PUNK! WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK!
PROUD TO BE PUNK! UP THE PUNKS!

You can put us down
You can call us names
Try to divide us
By trying to classify us
Call me many names
Tell me punk is dead
The more you try to bring us down
The stronger we will get

[Orfeo]

This thread's rather pathetic, full of fucking potheads who know nothing more than "its 4:20!", and the only thing running through my head while reading this:

Weed is for niggers

The reason cigarettes are legal and weed isnt is because people dont go "you ever seen a 20$ bill ? You see a 20$ bill, on tobacco ?!?".

I wonder if you read a single thing anybody in this thread wrote.

A true fix to feeling better is a good diet, healthy relationships, and excersize of some sort. Increase your rate of production of the chemicals in your brain rather then using drugs to release them all at once. There is absolutly no reason, though, that some drug usage should be such a horrible thing. In moderation, your health will not suffer and we all know that having an alcoholic beverage can be fun at a social gathering. Why not pot? You can ruin your life off of either one, but with a little responsibility, it'll ruin your life a lot less then our drug laws will if you're caught with it.

Exactly. Thank you. I personally eat well...refuse to eat fast food any more then once a week, and when I do it's an extra 20 or 30 minutes at the gym for me. I'm in a good relationship with my girlfriend, and hell, during this whole conversation since I sat down like 2 hours ago I've been alternating between doing situps/pushups and lifting dumb bells.

Yet I smoke pot, and am somehow below those who don't. It truly makes no sense to me.

[Amarok]

Weed is for niggers

Wins the thread

[Orfeo]

Weed is for niggers

Wins the thread

Real playas smoke crack yo

[Amarok]

word

[SephYuyX]

Black and Milds biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiootch~

[kareface]

I'll make this quick because im late for work:

First off, this study shows that there IS NO direct connection between pot and dopamine, there is an indirect effect.

Yes, the same "indirect effect", or more accurately opioid receptor as heroin.

What it's saying is that dopamine is part of your body's "reward system." Pretty much every time you feel happy, your body is releasing extra dopamine. This means that ANYTHING which makes you happy has this kind of effect.

You just pulled that out of your ass. No where in that post does it say anything remotely like that.

What your study shows is that pot has an indirect effect on current dopamine levels. This does not imply dependance in any way.

Oh, let me clarify for you because you seem to lack a basic understanding. Dopamine levels is the main factor in addiction. Let me site a study on Nicotine.

The addictive quality of nicotine is believed to be related to its effect on the neurotransmitter dopamine.

Here we show that the same concentration of nicotine achieved by smokers activates and desensitizes multiple nicotinic receptors thereby regulating the activity of mesolimbic dopamine neurons. Initial application of nicotine can increase the activity of the dopamine neurons, which could mediate the rewarding aspects of tobacco use.

Anything that unnaturally effects dopamine levels can create addiction. The more directly the drug effects dopamine production the higher the addictive properties are. That study proved that thc through the mu-1 opioid receptor will increase dopamine levels in the brain.

I'll restate it to be clear:

You said: This does not imply dependance in any way

That is a lie. Thats exactly what it implys.

I'm sorry when I posted the quote siting physical addiction with out clairifing that first.

It shows that I can recognize when I have a problem, and I react, and that pot is not a problem for me.

And none of that has any relevance to my post. Honestly, I am glad to hear that you have a stable grip on drugs. They can really do damage to some people.

No, actually, I, personally, (holy commas batman) do not. And I've quit pot for months at a time simply to prove this to myself, for my own good.

Again, Im glad to hear that.

There are exceptions to every rule. Smoking pot is one. Refusing to sit at the back of the bus is another. Fucking little boys is not. Get it?

Stop going back to the diffrences between the cases, thats not the point of my post. Please read past the child molestation and stop tapdancing around my point. Do you feel that you should not be held accountable for breaking that law? You have yet to answer this even tho it was the basis for the statement 2 posts ago. Do you honestly believe that breaking the law while doing nothing to change it will prove anything? Again, your dodging any real answers.

LOL because what people say in order to reduce their sentencing means ANYTHING whatsoever. And of course, if they were admitting to having been in posession of something which, at most, might get them 6 months' probation, they'd admit if they were doing stuff that would get them real time in jail, so of course they only smoke pot, right? Right...

They wern't required by law to say what they intended to use the money for. They didn't say they had any drugs in their possesion, so they could of said they were using it to buy crack and It wouldn't of effected the sentance. Where I live (Seattle) and where I worked (Computer shop) kids would steal from us for pot. Most of the kids would be regulars and on good terms with me. I would ask kids who were hotboxing their car to take it to the parcking lot over. I didn't even care if they came into the store blazed off their ass.

You have not right to tell me what they were using the money for. Some of the kids I had known for over 2 years. I know what drugs they used because it wasn't a secret. One of my employees smoked alot himself. Out of the 30 or so kids that we had kicked out/pressed charges against I can say with a strict certainty that the majority were using the money to buy weed. Stop acting like you know people wouldn't steal money for weed. It happend, it happens and it will happen again.

That's what you would do, not how you would feel. Let me give an example of an appropriate answer: Not good.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realise that my feeling on a hypothetical situation had any relevance what-so ever. But if your intested I would be embarrassed.

Drowziness, maybe. Lightheadedness, definately. Laziness is a freaking human trait, not a symptom.

Yes, and its impossible that a human trait would be provoke by a drug.

Sorry I've been in an exp pt most of this time and am in sky now. If you want me to quote studies and shit, you'll have to wait til I'm less busy. Meanwhile know that I'm a junior double majoring in psychology and politcal science. (Yes I'm a junior at 24, I started out in mechanical engineering and like I said I've been through some shit.) I'm responding with my knowledge from the field of study.

No shit? I also major in psychology at the UW. One of the top 5(?) in the US for psychology research. But I find it hard to believe that you major in psychology and have trouble understanding basic effects of unnatural dopamine production. Anyways, you might want to brush up.

If you can point out something that you said that wasn't:

A) Baseless opinions
B) Things I'v pointed out to be wrong (and backing that up with facts)
C) Yelling for no apparent reason

I'll give you a cookie. Untill then I'm done with our little rant because you have started resorting to blatant lying to get your point across.

Edit: sorry for spelling mistakes, no time to proofread.

[Plow]

Yes, the same "indirect effect", or more accurately opioid receptor as heroin.

Did you even read what you posted? Let me refresh your memory:

Therefore, among the most controversial addictive drugs, cocaine and amphetamine, which are dopaminergic stimulant, have direct access to the increase of dopamine. Opioids, such as heroin, utilize a more indirect route through the mu-1 receptor. And cannabinoids are the least direct in their action (Tanda et al. 1997).

It is NOT the same effect despite using the one of the receptors. If your study were worth a shit, it would go into the differences in usage by the receptors, but you're just pulling up one patheticly written argument attempting to claim pot is addictive, yet constantly contradicting itself.

You just pulled that out of your ass. No where in that post does it say anything remotely like that.

Dopamine is believed to be a neurotransmitter associated with the brain reward system, which is responsible for pleasure sensations. An integral part of this system is the mesolimbic pathway in which the nucleus accumbens of the limbic system produce dopamine.

Hello, basis of your entire damn argument.
Hey, I have an idea, why don't you talk about what you just denied talking about some more?

Initial application of nicotine can increase the activity of the dopamine neurons, which could mediate the rewarding aspects of tobacco use.

Awesome.

Anything that unnaturally effects dopamine levels can create addiction. The more directly the drug effects dopamine production the higher the addictive properties are. That study proved that thc through the mu-1 opioid receptor will increase dopamine levels in the brain.

Your dog licking your damn toe while you sleep can increase dopamine levels in the brain. Does that mean you're going to get addicted?

And none of that has any relevance to my post. Honestly, I am glad to hear that you have a stable grip on drugs. They can really do damage to some people.

Hey, remember when you said,

Your brain gets used to higher dopamine levels over time and you get the "I have to have it" feeling from that.

I do... and guess what? I don't get that feeling.

Stop going back to the diffrences between the cases, thats not the point of my post. Please read past the child molestation and stop tapdancing around my point. Do you feel that you should not be held accountable for breaking that law? You have yet to answer this even tho it was the basis for the statement 2 posts ago. Do you honestly believe that breaking the law while doing nothing to change it will prove anything? Again, your dodging any real answers.

Fucking DUH? No, I do not believe I should be punished for smoking pot. Period. And who the hell said I don't do anything to try to change it? Am I not right this very moment attempting to help people see and understand what the problem is with the laws... get over yourself dude.

some bullshit about people stealing

PEOPLE STEAL. PEOPLE WILL STEAL IF POT IS ILLEGAL, AND PEOPLE WILL STEAL IF POT IS LEGAL. If pot were legal, and therefore much more easily affordible, less people would steal it, or steal for it. DUH?!

You have not right to tell me what they were using the money for. Some of the kids I had known for over 2 years. I know what drugs they used because it wasn't a secret. One of my employees smoked alot himself. Out of the 30 or so kids that we had kicked out/pressed charges against I can say with a strict certainty that the majority were using the money to buy weed. Stop acting like you know people wouldn't steal money for weed. It happend, it happens and it will happen again.

My parents have known me for 24 years. They know a whole lot about what I've done, but they sure as hell don't know everything. I promise you, you do not know everything those kids have experimented with, or even do on a regular basis.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realise that my feeling on a hypothetical situation had any relevance what-so ever. But if your intested I would be embarrassed.

Seeing how it was the question in the first place, thanks for finally answering.

Untill then I'm done with our little rant because you have started resorting to blatant lying to get your point across.

I haven't lied about a single thing. Point out one single lie in anything I've posted.

When you resort to calling people liars baselessly and say you're backing out of the discussion because of it, you're admitting you're wrong.

[Plow]

Let me clarify further, it's really quite simple.

A psychological addiction is to the pleasurable feelings, positive reinforcement if you will.

A physical addiction is the positive punishment of the negative effects felt when an addict is without something like heroin.

I'm going to let you make your own mistake in response to this without pointing it out, because if you do it will prove that you actually know jack shit about what you're talking about. We'll see if you do.

[Marcatil]

I look at it this way:

It's your fucking body
It's your fucking money
It's your fucking choice

It has no direct affect on me whatsoever, therefore, it strikes a big zero on the Give-A-Damn meter.

Ok, so the guy was high because marijuana was legal. He crashes his car in to you paralyzing you for the rest of his life. He suffers minor bumps and bruises and will make a full recovery in a few weeks time. I think it effects you then.

And this happens actually more often than you'd think. Perhaps it's just being naive, but I've learned that there's a balance to everything with whatever occurances happen. Granted I wouldn't find it particularly pleasant, but there is a balance in there somewhere, even if it takes a bit to find.

Yes, I'm so frighteningly care-free right now it's not even funny :3

[Shaede]

Let me clarify further, it's really quite simple.

A psychological addiction is to the pleasurable feelings, positive reinforcement if you will.

A physical addiction is the positive punishment of the negative effects felt when an addict is without something like heroin.

I'm going to let you make your own mistake in response to this without pointing it out, because if you do it will prove that you actually know jack shit about what you're talking about. We'll see if you do.

Actually, there's little to no distinction between the two, as I've pointed out in nearly every one of my replies in this thread. The above sounds simply made up on the spot.

[Okan]

Let me clarify further, it's really quite simple.

A psychological addiction is to the pleasurable feelings, positive reinforcement if you will.

A physical addiction is the positive punishment of the negative effects felt when an addict is without something like heroin.

I'm going to let you make your own mistake in response to this without pointing it out, because if you do it will prove that you actually know jack shit about what you're talking about. We'll see if you do.

Actually, there's little to no distinction between the two, as I've pointed out in nearly every one of my replies in this thread. The above sounds simply made up on the spot.

There basically is *no* difference. An addiction is an addiction. Mental or physical. Some part of your body is craving something else.