Besieged (03/27/2006)

[Septimus]

Seriously doubt SE will implement anything that rewards you with items that you can attain w/o the help of others. Team work GO!

Yes, heaven forbid people be able to do anything of value on their own. That is the Square-Enix mantra.

[Dein]

Seriously doubt SE will implement anything that rewards you with items that you can attain w/o the help of others. Team work GO!

Beseiged doesn't sound like something you could do alone though. IMO it's still teamwork even if you're working with a bunch of random people that got caught up in the event with you.

[Septimus]

Seriously doubt SE will implement anything that rewards you with items that you can attain w/o the help of others. Team work GO!

Beseiged doesn't sound like something you could do alone though. IMO it's still teamwork even if you're working with a bunch of random people that got caught up in the event with you and will get you killed through their boundless incompetence.

Fixed.

I am extra cranky today.

[Epincus]

I don't think besiege will be that bad. I think most servers have 2000-3000 people on during prime time. Many of these people camp kings, exp, run limbus, run dynamis, level npc, enm/bc, pvp, kill gods, kill sea crap, craft, fight wyrms, and other events that take up the evening.

How will it be different from any Fafhogg, or KB/Aspid HQ day? Except for this you wont need an HNM ls to do. If the rewards are good expect everyone and their mom to show up.

My server usually has 4000+ on at peak, as a note, I've been told other servers are on par.

I'd expect the reward would be 'mercenary points' or whatever they're planning for this system, which would be good enough to get people going after the rewards to LIVE there like a mining bot in Gusgen. Again though, I could be wrong and it could be implemented differently. I still say though that a city with it's own standalone AH being converted into a battleground could (and knowing SE, 'will') be a major lag nightmare.

[Hirronimus]

Really looking forward to being caught in Siege while browsing AH as PLD/BLM... yeah...

[Maxxthepenguin]

HEY GUYZ IF I HATE ON SE TO WIL I BE KEWL?

[Hirronimus]

Go back to Alla or KI, whichever you came from. Please.

[Xavier]

The penalty for losing the most powerful artifactt will result in being unable to outpost to the region until you get it back LOL!

Sounds like a cool system though. At this point, I've given up on Square adding another set of cursed/god gear to the game to replace the old stuff. I'm pretty much set to the idea that you go to Fafnir/Nid/KB/Aspid/Sky to gear up, and then take the gear to do other things in the game. It kinda sucks, but oh well. As long as they add more "fun" things to do, I can live without radical new gear I guess.

[Khamsin]

Maybe there will be no HP crystal in the particular zone of the city that Beseiged takes place in. And, assuming they use Nomad Moogles, no Mog House exits either.

Then, perhaps Beseiged events will follow no particular schedule and will just be random events that can happen at any time (and have no "window" like HNMs). Furthermore, maybe that zone of the city will be locked down after Beseiged begins and no one else can enter during that time.

This will limit the event to whoever just happens to be there at the time, and since it is random, nobody will specifically camp it unless they are crafting or semi-afk while doing other things and just keeping an eye on the computer.

[Maxxthepenguin]

I'm pretty much set to the idea that you go to Fafnir/Nid/KB/Aspid/Sky to gear up, and then take the gear to do other things in the game. It kinda sucks, but oh well. .

...Limbus gear is amazing and fun to get

Dynamis has a few good drops

Sea has a lot of good items, if you have the balls and the patience to do it

[Xavier]

I'm pretty much set to the idea that you go to Fafnir/Nid/KB/Aspid/Sky to gear up, and then take the gear to do other things in the game. It kinda sucks, but oh well. .

...Limbus gear is amazing and fun to get

Dynamis has a few good drops

Sea has a lot of good items, if you have the balls and the patience to do it

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA NEVER TALK TO ME AGAIN

[Maxxthepenguin]

Except in nintendo loving threads right?

[layoneil]

Maybe there will be no HP crystal in the particular zone of the city that Beseiged takes place in. And, assuming they use Nomad Moogles, no Mog House exits either.

from the descriptions there should be a Mog House and an AH.

This will limit the event to whoever just happens to be there at the time, and since it is random, nobody will specifically camp it unless they are crafting or semi-afk while doing other things and just keeping an eye on the computer.

also from the many descriptions, a lock-down preventing people from entering seems guaranteed.

Beseiged doesn't sound like something you could do alone though. IMO it's still teamwork even if you're working with a bunch of random people that got caught up in the event with you.

teamwork with random people is very very difficult. hope that it's designed so that very specific teamwork won't be needed.

for example, if sleeping mobs is a requirement, players will fail and fail very badly. when you have a random group of people you will never be able to keep mobs asleep without someone else waking them up.

[Nirokun!]

What I have to wonder is...

What is the penalty for not having the Astral item? What do you lose when the beastmen take it? And how hard will it be to take back? I hope it's something important and actually takes effort to retrieve, would make things very interesting.

i remembering reading somewhere that says if you lose the Astral Candescence, to get it back you have to do a special Assault mission, which seems to fit the "storm the beastman strongholds" description.

except Assault is suppose to be for 3-6 people. which means if your entire server loses the AC, you only need 6 people to get it back? that would be kind of messed up.

also, considering that Besiege + Assault is suppose to be the new form of Conquest, i'd say the extreme case is if you lose the AC you either won't be able to do any normal Assaults or you would get no/reduced Assault Points when doing it.

that would be similar to say in the current areas, if Beastmen Control a region you can't get CP.

of course CP doesn't mean all that much, but if Assault Points are similar to Ancient Beastcoins, not being able to get them for an extended period would suck.

When you lose the item in besieged, you have to do assault to get it back

it makes sense in the CQ tally idea, based on how many successful besieged/assault runs have been done --- with how they explained that the mobs will be harder/weaker depending on how many assaults you do

basically, if people dont do the assaults, the mobs in besieged AND assault will be fucking hard (probably only like top-level limbus hard) making it hard to get the key item thinger

(if people dont get rewards from this, i see a large lack of participation >_> and if there are REALLY good items, people are going to whore assault, making the mobs too easy and lame >_>)

thats how i read it anyways~

(and about this "Astral Candescence", okie, google, astral [duh summoner ;D] candescence : light, hot, fire. what do summoners have to do with fire... ifrit? no.. we have that alrea... pheonix?! could be a continuation of the pheonix storyline across 2 expansions, but maybe im too hopeful)

[Khamsin]

Maybe there will be no HP crystal in the particular zone of the city that Beseiged takes place in. And, assuming they use Nomad Moogles, no Mog House exits either.

from the descriptions there should be a Mog House and an AH.

If there is, maybe they won't be in that zone. The next zone over, sure. Just not in the one that gets beseiged.

[Septimus]

I'm pretty much set to the idea that you go to Fafnir/Nid/KB/Aspid/Sky to gear up, and then take the gear to do other things in the game. It kinda sucks, but oh well. .

...Limbus gear is amazing and fun to get

Dynamis has a few good drops

Sea has a lot of good items, if you have the balls and the patience to do it

Brutal Earring and Boxer Mantle are good, the rest are either situational or e-peen.

CoP Dynamis has a few good drops and the rest are not actually better (or even worse) than existing gear.

Sea has a few good items, if you have nothing better to do than to go back time and time again to deal with moronic pop conditions and wretched drop rates.

Why don't you go play your broken "CoP is awesome" record somewhere else where people don't know any better?

[Hirronimus]

Musical Earring is awesome too, Sept.

Also if you want to experience gameplay with a pick up party for any mission/BC/quest, join one of those pick up PTs in Jeuno, that should give you a hint how bad it can get. On the other hand, siege could be similar to Dynamis, where it's an instance and everyone can engage monsters no matter if they are in PT or not.

[Not Kuno]

On the other hand, siege could be similar to Dynamis, where it's an instance and everyone can engage monsters no matter if they are in PT or not.

Don't even say that... Having a Global Treasure Pool with a bunch of random strangers is probably the worst idea imaginable.

[macbain24]

The real question here is if there's an ah in the new town what city will it be connected to

[Khamsin]

On the other hand, siege could be similar to Dynamis, where it's an instance and everyone can engage monsters no matter if they are in PT or not.

Don't even say that... Having a Global Treasure Pool with a bunch of random strangers is probably the worst idea imaginable.

I hope its treasure you get on completion a'la Uninvited Guests or Expeditionary Force, than loot pools.