Besieged (03/27/2006)

[Maxxthepenguin]

I'm pretty much set to the idea that you go to Fafnir/Nid/KB/Aspid/Sky to gear up, and then take the gear to do other things in the game. It kinda sucks, but oh well. .

...Limbus gear is amazing and fun to get

Dynamis has a few good drops

Sea has a lot of good items, if you have the balls and the patience to do it

Brutal Earring and Boxer Mantle are good, the rest are either situational or e-peen.

CoP Dynamis has a few good drops and the rest are not actually better (or even worse) than existing gear.

Sea has a few good items, if you have nothing better to do than to go back time and time again to deal with moronic pop conditions and wretched drop rates.

Why don't you go play your broken "CoP is awesome" record somewhere else where people don't know any better?

The CoP sucks record has been broken longer than sea has. Far more broken than CoP rocks. I have issues with it of course, but on the whole I have enjoyed it immensely.

As for the limbus rewards, much AF+1 is good. Boxer mantle, brutal earring, loquacious earring, musical earring are all great. 'Situational' gear bascially includes all the gear in the game, theres very little you never switch out. Even the freaking Scorpion harness is situational.

CoP dynamis isn't as bad as everyone says if you arent worried about relics that much, still needs a lot of improvement but its a nice change of place, as I've said before way too much. And I said dynamis, not CoP dynamis. I was just saying things he left out.

And I said sea has great items if you have the balls and the patience. Maybe I should have said patience of jesus fucking christ, but whatever. I have a lot more fun fighting jailers and farming sea mobs than sky stuff, honestly. I know your goal oriented mindsets aren't satisfied with that, but that doesn't make the fact that it does matter to me and many others.

[Not Kuno]

Sky may not be as fun as sea, but it's more rewarding. If I kill faust I fucking get the pop item. If I kill the Shinra I fucking get the kirin pop item. And you speak as if though we've never popped love before. Guess what we found? A buggy ass mob that wasn't ment to be killed. OMG teh fun is just ROLLING in.

[Maxxthepenguin]

On the other hand, siege could be similar to Dynamis, where it's an instance and everyone can engage monsters no matter if they are in PT or not.

Don't even say that... Having a Global Treasure Pool with a bunch of random strangers is probably the worst idea imaginable.

Oh dear god no... I'm guessing its with strangers but you get points for doing well and you exchange those for items. Well at least thats my hope and what it looks like to me.

[Eternus]

Now it is meant to be killed Kuno. Yeah it appears you guys got screwed back then. Currently JoL is very killable and AV can be glitched it seems to be taken down. The problem with sea is the horrible pop item drop rates lol. That is where the huge time sink is.

[Hirronimus]

On the other hand, siege could be similar to Dynamis, where it's an instance and everyone can engage monsters no matter if they are in PT or not.

Don't even say that... Having a Global Treasure Pool with a bunch of random strangers is probably the worst idea imaginable.

They did say there will be a ranking system, so I would guess it's something similar to CP items.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Now it is meant to be killed Kuno. Yeah it appears you guys got screwed back then. Currently JoL is very killable and AV can be glitched it seems to be taken down. The problem with sea is the horrible pop item drop rates lol. That is where the huge time sink is.

Actually, I'm pretty sure the people who killed AV found out how to disable it... it wont use the 2hs of a job if its jailer weapon is engaged with it. Basically, engage (dont need to actually hit) with prudence rod, it wont bene or manafont. Toss a DRG or SAM with love halberd and it wont call wyvern or meikyo shusi.

[epigram]

The only thing that scares me is the highly probable event that most of this armor will be like:

When zone is in beseige: +DEF +HP
When zone is in assault: +ATT +STR

I'm not looking for another epeen base stats set, I would just like some gear like homan for war/bst/rng and mnk/sam/nin that maybe has +crit instead of haste or something similar.

[Not Kuno]

Basically, engage (dont need to actually hit) with prudence rod, it wont bene or manafont.

Shit, you hear that? Xav has to go level Blm or Whm now.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38...o/prudence.jpg

[Dezzimal]

<3 CoP's story + mission rewards

</3 hunting Ix'DRG for 3 hours with no pop and even if it did pop, 50/50 drop chance.

[Maxxthepenguin]

<3 CoP's story + mission rewards

</3 hunting Ix'DRG for 3 hours with no pop and even if it did pop, 50/50 drop chance.

Summed up nicely

[Demetrios]

So Mijin Gakure and Hundred Fists are stopped by Faith H2H?

[Maxxthepenguin]

So Mijin Gakure and Hundred Fists are stopped by Faith H2H?

Basically yeah. If you unengage it can use them again. So yes, you want a full time DRG on the case for this one

[Dezzimal]

He can still meteor right? Still seems pretty unmanageable to me even without 2hrs.

[aers]

can't meteor w/o manafont.

[XxSlusherxx]

Lower teir jailers have a loot table of 3 items

weapon(which most people don't care about)

Torque(bad drop rate, but good item)

Pop item(bad drop rate)

you throw some crafting materials in there for when the torque and the pop item choose not to drop, and mabye people won't bitch about sea. but the simple fact that only 2 of the items people care about, and they both have a low drop rate. thats why people don't like sea.

[Maxxthepenguin]

He can still meteor right? Still seems pretty unmanageable to me even without 2hrs.

I dont know. I heard he only uses that during Manafont, but that was probably a rumor. Remember though, his wynavs wont be there if you take a drg so that helps a lot.

[Not Kuno]

He can still meteor right? Still seems pretty unmanageable to me even without 2hrs.

I dont know. I heard he only uses that during Manafont, but that was probably a rumor. Remember though, his wynavs wont be there if you take a drg so that helps a lot.

Take a sam instead. 8)

[Maxxthepenguin]

He can still meteor right? Still seems pretty unmanageable to me even without 2hrs.

I dont know. I heard he only uses that during Manafont, but that was probably a rumor. Remember though, his wynavs wont be there if you take a drg so that helps a lot.

Take a sam instead. 8)

SAM with polearm sucksssssss worse than DRG and has ever since the tp gain nerf. Unless you do sam/rng...

Sorry false alarm on the DRG being useful for a HNM

[epigram]

Do you actually have an official reference to these claims? E.g. from someone who has fought AV and observed this?

[Maxxthepenguin]

Hold on, let me find it, I think it was a KI post... lol