Job Adjustments

[Xavier]

DRK/NIN is pretty much like WAR/NIN

Pretty much.

Even a DRK who eats sushi to compensate for low axe/sword skill (assuming you have ridill) wouldn't feel as much drawback as other jobs because of their multiple atk job traits. DRK kinda lucks out in that way. Loss of berserk, double attack compared to a war sucks, but they can compensate with extremely absurd burst dmg every 6ish minutes.

The beauty of RNG over MNK and WAR pre-nerf was that RNG required very little gear to be a top dmg dealer, whereas MNK and WAR both required some nice setups. RNG is still pretty good, its just lost its god aspect (tank, dd), which is something that WAR still has, and become more complicated than engaging and afking, something WAR hasn't.

[Onizuka]

Wait, what happened to all the DRK/WAR hate?

I could never trully hate drk... first job i lvled to 75 even though blm was my first main hehe.

DRK just sucks is all but any job(except drg) can be good with lots and lots of teh 1337 gilz >.>

I don't like DRK/NIN cause we have to use weapons not ment for us i want to see a real drk a DRK/WAR with a real weapon a nice Scythe and + atk +str maxed merits(fuck haste) and SE incress dmg of scythe by 50-70dmg depending on gear and well drk would own.. hitting for 200-250 would be great especially with DA i can see it now 2 400dmg crts hmmm! lol it wont be overpowerd cause nins will still ws 3 times before we do and wars twice etc. Drks will just be nice on HNM's a nice steady dmg dealer like smn. So you can actually have Drks in the alliance doing steady dmg skillchaining with Sam's and souleater for a min of pimp dmg to any HNM every 5min(maxed SE merits) 8)

[Kuponut]

I hate DRK.

[Xavier]

DRK just sucks is all but any job(except drg) can be good with lots and lots of teh 1337 gilz >.>

even drg can be good, its 90% player skill, 10% job.

and my drk is 60, I don't hate them. I'm leveling it drk/nin with axes though, much higher DoT.

[Maxxthepenguin]

DRK just sucks is all but any job(except drg) can be good with lots and lots of teh 1337 gilz >.>

even drg can be good, its 90% player skill, 10% job.

and my drk is 60, I don't hate them. I'm leveling it drk/nin with axes though, much higher DoT.

Have you tried DRK/WAR scythe? Seriously, now that you have Guillo/Double Attack/Berserk I have no doubt that, given you have good equip (and I'm sure you do), you will do a shitton of damage. I know I did, always beating WAR/NINs at that level no sweat.

[Raivyn]

DRK just sucks is all but any job(except drg) can be good with lots and lots of teh 1337 gilz >.>

even drg can be good, its 90% player skill, 10% job.

and my drk is 60, I don't hate them. I'm leveling it drk/nin with axes though, much higher DoT.

Have you tried DRK/WAR scythe? Seriously, now that you have Guillo/Double Attack/Berserk I have no doubt that, given you have good equip (and I'm sure you do), you will do a shitton of damage. I know I did, always beating WAR/NINs at that level no sweat.

from 60-66 drk I enjoyed doing guillotine > RR sc's while subbing war. The only problem with this is that if you go all out you'll die. Often. Forget about souleater unless you have a pally almost, it takes a pretty pimped nin to hold it off even with TA at that lvl. I disagree on the beating war/nin's thing though.

[Raivyn]

DRK/NIN is pretty much like WAR/NIN

Pretty much.

Even a DRK who eats sushi to compensate for low axe/sword skill (assuming you have ridill) wouldn't feel as much drawback as other jobs because of their multiple atk job traits. DRK kinda lucks out in that way. Loss of berserk, double attack compared to a war sucks, but they can compensate with extremely absurd burst dmg every 6ish minutes.

The beauty of RNG over MNK and WAR pre-nerf was that RNG required very little gear to be a top dmg dealer, whereas MNK and WAR both required some nice setups. RNG is still pretty good, its just lost its god aspect (tank, dd), which is something that WAR still has, and become more complicated than engaging and afking, something WAR hasn't.

it'd be interesting to see what would happen to the game if they implemented something slight to control this.

[Maxxthepenguin]

I disagree on the beating war/nin's thing though.

At that level? Maybe WAR/NINs have gotten a lot better since I was a DRK 60 but without the pimp endgame weapons, at that level they just werent anything special.

[Xavier]

DRK just sucks is all but any job(except drg) can be good with lots and lots of teh 1337 gilz >.>

even drg can be good, its 90% player skill, 10% job.

and my drk is 60, I don't hate them. I'm leveling it drk/nin with axes though, much higher DoT.

Have you tried DRK/WAR scythe? Seriously, now that you have Guillo/Double Attack/Berserk I have no doubt that, given you have good equip (and I'm sure you do), you will do a shitton of damage. I know I did, always beating WAR/NINs at that level no sweat.

No I don't want to fucking die in a party. Doing lots of dmg and dying results in less xp per hour.

And DRK isn't beating a WAR/NIN in a parser at lv 60. I staticed w/ a war with pretty much equal gear, but not as much merits, and I lost by a wide margin on drk/war. DRK/NIN at 56-60 put me about 1,000-5,000 dmg below a war/nin, which was acceptable to me, basically the difference in not using souleater everytime it was up.

[Maxxthepenguin]

No I don't want to fucking die in a party. Doing lots of dmg and dying results in less xp per hour.

And DRK isn't beating a WAR/NIN in a parser at lv 60. I staticed w/ a war with pretty much equal gear, but not as much merits, and I lost by a wide margin on drk/war. DRK/NIN at 56-60 put me about 1,000-5,000 dmg below a war/nin, which was acceptable to me, basically the difference in not using souleater everytime it was up.

I'm guessing you are only partying with NINs then. A good PLD can hold hate at that level fine assuming youre fighting ITs and not busting out Guillo to start fights. As a DRK/WAR, its not great until Guillo, and with all the axe merits I'm guessing you have, yes Axe would have been better before, easily. But when I was parsing in Labyrinth of Onzozo, I was beating most jobs, only RNG was beating me in the parser consistently (good ol days.) WAR/NIN just was mainly good as a backup tank, WAR/THF was doing better actually. I'm not trying to say DRK is zomgsweet, just saying what it was like when I was that level.

[Genosync]

No I don't want to fucking die in a party. Doing lots of dmg and dying results in less xp per hour.

And DRK isn't beating a WAR/NIN in a parser at lv 60. I staticed w/ a war with pretty much equal gear, but not as much merits, and I lost by a wide margin on drk/war. DRK/NIN at 56-60 put me about 1,000-5,000 dmg below a war/nin, which was acceptable to me, basically the difference in not using souleater everytime it was up.

I'm guessing you are only partying with NINs then. A good PLD can hold hate at that level fine assuming youre fighting ITs and not busting out Guillo to start fights. As a DRK/WAR, its not great until Guillo, and with all the axe merits I'm guessing you have, yes Axe would have been better before, easily. But when I was parsing in Labyrinth of Onzozo, I was beating most jobs, only RNG was beating me in the parser consistently (good ol days.) WAR/NIN just was mainly good as a backup tank, WAR/THF was doing better actually. I'm not trying to say DRK is zomgsweet, just saying what it was like when I was that level.

And we're just saying you're wrong. K?

[Onizuka]

DRK just sucks is all but any job(except drg) can be good with lots and lots of teh 1337 gilz >.>

even drg can be good, its 90% player skill, 10% job.

and my drk is 60, I don't hate them. I'm leveling it drk/nin with axes though, much higher DoT.

Have you tried DRK/WAR scythe? Seriously, now that you have Guillo/Double Attack/Berserk I have no doubt that, given you have good equip (and I'm sure you do), you will do a shitton of damage. I know I did, always beating WAR/NINs at that level no sweat.

No I don't want to fucking die in a party. Doing lots of dmg and dying results in less xp per hour.

And DRK isn't beating a WAR/NIN in a parser at lv 60. I staticed w/ a war with pretty much equal gear, but not as much merits, and I lost by a wide margin on drk/war. DRK/NIN at 56-60 put me about 1,000-5,000 dmg below a war/nin, which was acceptable to me, basically the difference in not using souleater everytime it was up.

Well maxx is right about one thing a gimp war is a gimp war, since drk was my first job to 75 the wars i pted with were also lvling their first job to 75 and well sucked lol. I did more dmg than any war i pted with on drk 60-73 lol but unlike maxx i don't let that decide the power of the job. Especially in the 60's they did 20-40 a hit 300-500 ws's mostly 300-400 Rampages and 300 mistrals to my 1k SS's only thing i used wars for was to SATa my dmg on lol. Keep in mind this was in the mithkabob days and hardly any melee even used that lol

DRK/WAR gulio spam, well it's not that it's not good dmg it's just i died like 2- 5times in every party when i reached 60, i would pop a 900-1300 souleater guilo and have the mob own me with 600hp left-.-' Whats the point of doing good dmg if you cant handle what comes after, a blm can out dmg any job but they don't for the simple fact they would die, war and nin can deal as much dmg as they want doesn't really matter to them lol. I then just went drk/thf(after a few pt's of basically spaming "/death") at 60 for SA sickle moon wich is alot more steady dmg(2 hit ws) like 400-700 reg and 700-900 with SE and well i lvled and hit faster with a GS so tp gain wasen't bad with /thf, i got tp faster than quite a few jobs excluding sam, rng, mnk and war well mnks don't count cause i didn't pt with them past 60 even though we could make distortion together lol. Ohh and i got tp at the same speed as some sam/thfs but i did pt with alot of pimped out sam/thf's especially 71+ it's all i pted with and they got tp twice as fast as me with the rse they had just got plus they had meditate! >.<

I remeber having a war/mnk/drk melee pt in den of rocar, mnk was good for DoT sam was good for the ws, we did a 3 way light me closing for 1k SS 1k+ lights highest being around 1800 :D. Trying diffent set ups in exp can trun out good, for exaple i had a pt in mo reave(sp? lol) at 70 with thf/war/drk melee it was great cause we had a nin tank and the war could make light with us both and blm bursted firga 3, seeing war's get tp fast whoever got to 100first would SATA close light on nin after war voked then other next fight and with the firga 3 doing 1500 avg MB dmg it was a good fast exp pt with an abnormal set up.

With drk i liked the 3 melee pt set up. Again another 3 melee pt in sky, was actually a running pt lol! rng/sam/drk rng did his thing so did sam just spaming ws's while i did my burst dmg 800-1300 guilo's once a fight while rng and sam ws's twice a match if not 3 lol.

[Maxxthepenguin]

And we're just saying you're wrong. K?

Well, last time you were 'just saying I'm wrong' about this, Razz came in and said 'well DRK/WAR scythe DOES do a lot of damage'. Just sayin'.

Oh and @ oni... I just never did Souleater Guillo, except to end parties, after my 1st time right after 200 scythe skill. And I just never saw a WAR/NIN that had comparable gear outdamage me.

[Genosync]

And we're just saying you're wrong. K?

Well, last time you were 'just saying I'm wrong' about this, Razz came in and said 'well DRK/WAR scythe DOES do a lot of damage'. Just sayin'.

It does, but a DRK/NIN at that level, with merits, outdamages a DRK/WAR with full scythe merits.

Why? One doesn't die.

No, no, if I was serious, I would contribute it to Dual Wield and Rampage w/ Souleater, and the ability to have shadows up for the rest of a fight.

[Onizuka]

No, no, if I was serious, I would contribute it to Dual Wield and Rampage w/ Souleater, and the ability to have shadows up for the rest of a fight.

Abs agl & Stun are pretty pimp on DRK/NIN 8)


PS: Just thought of a new drk onry spell! Abs haste! lol

[Maxxthepenguin]

And we're just saying you're wrong. K?

Well, last time you were 'just saying I'm wrong' about this, Razz came in and said 'well DRK/WAR scythe DOES do a lot of damage'. Just sayin'.

It does, but a DRK/NIN at that level, with merits, outdamages a DRK/WAR with full scythe merits.

Why? One doesn't die.

No, no, if I was serious, I would contribute it to Dual Wield and Rampage w/ Souleater, and the ability to have shadows up for the rest of a fight.

Honestly, I could see that doing more damage due to souleater but even with survivability its a HUGE mp sink in levels where mages dont have too much extra mp and you can't normally find a good RDM+BRD party.

[Viq]

I think Maxx missed the part where /NIN has shadows

[Maxxthepenguin]

I think Maxx missed the part where /NIN has shadows

I think you missed the part where souleater eats your soul

[Volken]

I think you missed the part where souleater eats your soul

That's so emo that I shat myself.

[Nirokun!]

god, all of you, just level smn

we're all the same, and 2-3 pieces of gear affect our damage, and they all come from dynamis (investment of time, not money)

when we come together, we rock shit, and when we part, you exp by yourself, there is no endless e-peen war

jump the smn bandwagon, get a nice coat, and hike up ule[tab] range as you get yourself to 75

<3<3 smn, blah blah drk war blah melee

where you dont use blms for dmg, you use smns (hnm only, blow me out of the water in an exp PT... oh wait, i dont PT on smn ever, solo merit or mnk PT on whm lol)

zomg level smn!

that being said, level blm, i dont want SE nerfing smn because idiots play the job and get it nerfed, all while not knowing how to kill an IT++freakingplus+++ by themselves or make it depop on their own, or being able to (i know you've stopped listening, i'll just stop typing~)