Job Adjustments

[jn107]

was thinking.. good way to make drk good is taking enmity away from souleater atk. that would make drk use it more w/o fear of getting kill fast cause of hate.i have 75 drk and usually i use it for ws then turn it off right away.

[netz]

I don't think giving a job hate free damage should ever be the answer to a balance issue.

[Maxxthepenguin]

I don't think giving a job hate free damage should ever be the answer to a balance issue.

#1 lolsmn

#2 hes just suggesting the actual activation of the buff doesnt gain hate. Currently its around as strong as 2/3 of a voke.

NVM, reread, he just means the additional damage is no hate

[jn107]

I don't think giving a job hate free damage should ever be the answer to a balance issue.

Hate free on souleater it is.When u can like 250+ normal dmg and almost 400 critical it is

[Lockecole]

I don't think giving a job hate free damage should ever be the answer to a balance issue.

Sadly 90% of all wyrm kills and alot of endgame HNMs are based around hate-free kills via SMNs.

[Genosync]

And we're just saying you're wrong. K?

Well, last time you were 'just saying I'm wrong' about this, Razz came in and said 'well DRK/WAR scythe DOES do a lot of damage'. Just sayin'.

It does, but a DRK/NIN at that level, with merits, outdamages a DRK/WAR with full scythe merits.

Why? One doesn't die.

No, no, if I was serious, I would contribute it to Dual Wield and Rampage w/ Souleater, and the ability to have shadows up for the rest of a fight.

Honestly, I could see that doing more damage due to souleater but even with survivability its a HUGE mp sink in levels where mages dont have too much extra mp and you can't normally find a good RDM+BRD party.

Apparently you haven't PT'd with people who know what the fuck they're doing, because in PTs on my WHM, I let DRKs spam Souleater and don't really care. I typically have the MP, and hell, it's better than me casting Banish every 40 seconds for 300dmg.

[jn107]

I don't think giving a job hate free damage should ever be the answer to a balance issue.

#1 lolsmn

#2 hes just suggesting the actual activation of the buff doesnt gain hate. Currently its around as strong as 2/3 of a voke.

NVM, reread, he just means the additional damage is no hate

actually maxx both would be cool.

[Hirronimus]

I like how the highlight speakers of this thread about melee dmg are 2 DRKs, Maxx and Onizuka.

Can I get a "lawl"?

[Maxxthepenguin]

Apparently you haven't PT'd with people who know what the fuck they're doing, because in PTs on my WHM, I let DRKs spam Souleater and don't really care. I typically have the MP, and hell, it's better than me casting Banish every 40 seconds for 300dmg.

Well, not at level 60, no. I use Souleater pretty regularly now, they usually have SOME clue by 75. One time I had a WHM expressly ask for a chain it could Banish burst on... it wasn't even undead

[Nirokun!]

a tier III spell is strong...

not all of us come without +skill/+mab/+mnd gear to nuke with our free mp

divine for whm is like A- skill? its worth casting banish III every once in a while if you're running around doing a lot of mobs that die quickly, with ballad and refresh keeping you full all of the time~

[netz]

I don't think giving a job hate free damage should ever be the answer to a balance issue.

Sadly 90% of all wyrm kills and alot of endgame HNMs are based around hate-free kills via SMNs.

Pretty much just the CoP wyrms and JoL for the linkshell of which I am a member. I don't like the fact that I don't get to use my samurai for that stuff. On Tiamat and Jorm, I can sometimes use it, but I'm disallowed on Vrtra. JoL was a bit weird. I couldn't get a feel for damaging it (using sneak attack) with the way the two ninjas holding it decided to arrange themselves (directly opposite each other with constant hate shifts >.>)

So... I'm now a white mage instead.

[Genosync]

a tier III spell is strong...

not all of us come without +skill/+mab/+mnd gear to nuke with our free mp

divine for whm is like A- skill? its worth casting banish III every once in a while if you're running around doing a lot of mobs that die quickly, with ballad and refresh keeping you full all of the time~

I've spammed Banish III a lot lately because I feel like I have nothing else to waste my mp on. Everyone's hasted, I throw flash when I need to, I cure people.... and I still have 75% of my mp. Banish III it is.

Just want my Zenith Mitts to help out the damage, and some Divine Skill gear (I didn't get a single piece of WHM AF1, nor will I get AF1 of a lot of jobs >.>; ).

[Nirokun!]

i think i use(the stuff that makes a change [mab/skill/mnd]):

apollo's staff
elite beret
uggalepih pendant
divine earring
moldavite earring
errant body
blessed hands
tamas ring
prism cape
penitent's rope/korin obi
healer's pantaloons
blessed pumps

i havent seen a divine torque for sale in ages ; ;

i basically bought all of that for mnk PTs and NUKING THE CRAP out of lemures, i get like 560~ish on them at the start of the fight and the mnks tear through them afaik lol

i get like 360? on non-undead stuff i guess, dont really pay attention to that stuff that much lol

[Genosync]

i think i use(the stuff that makes a change [mab/skill/mnd]):

apollo's staff
elite beret
uggalepih pendant
divine earring
moldavite earring
errant body
blessed hands
tamas ring
prism cape
penitent's rope/korin obi
healer's pantaloons
blessed pumps

i havent seen a divine torque for sale in ages ; ;

i basically bought all of that for mnk PTs and NUKING THE CRAP out of lemures, i get like 560~ish on them at the start of the fight and the mnks tear through them afaik lol

i get like 360? on non-undead stuff i guess, dont really pay attention to that stuff that much lol

sounds similar to what I'll end up with, minus a few changes here and there (moldavite earring, zenith mitts, legs+feet).

I dunno, but I don't think on VT mobs you're gonna need to worry about your Divine Skill level that much, so just pump the MND and the MATK.

[Nirokun!]

i've always believed myself to be a terrible blm, so i never really put -that- much focus into my nuking gear, so i dont have the macros (i use 2 palettes for casting a silly banish spell >_> lol) for different level mobs :X and im not gonna use my A.Hands abj until i actually make the cursed mitts myself, but you can consider that part of my macro when i do :3

i wear a lot (and by a lot, i mean 2 extra pieces) of haste gear for whm on things that dont last long enough for me to take hate, because i love low recast timers with +16% haste (*'3') that i use for everything but cure spells, bar spells, stoneskin, and banish (i think thats all of it lol)

[Xavier]

Apparently you haven't PT'd with people who know what the fuck they're doing, because in PTs on my WHM, I let DRKs spam Souleater and don't really care. I typically have the MP, and hell, it's better than me casting Banish every 40 seconds for 300dmg.

Well, not at level 60, no. I use Souleater pretty regularly now, they usually have SOME clue by 75. One time I had a WHM expressly ask for a chain it could Banish burst on... it wasn't even undead

healers in the parties I've been in have had plenty of mp to cure souleater.

[Demetrios]

I don't think giving a job hate free damage should ever be the answer to a balance issue.

Sadly 90% of all wyrm kills and alot of endgame HNMs are based around hate-free kills via SMNs.

Pretty much just the CoP wyrms and JoL for the linkshell of which I am a member. I don't like the fact that I don't get to use my samurai for that stuff. On Tiamat and Jorm, I can sometimes use it, but I'm disallowed on Vrtra. JoL was a bit weird. I couldn't get a feel for damaging it (using sneak attack) with the way the two ninjas holding it decided to arrange themselves (directly opposite each other with constant hate shifts >.>)

So... I'm now a white mage instead.

Why not use SAM on Vrtra? You can easily do 600-1.2k per WS everytime the PLDs make a pit stop if you happen to kite it.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Apparently you haven't PT'd with people who know what the fuck they're doing, because in PTs on my WHM, I let DRKs spam Souleater and don't really care. I typically have the MP, and hell, it's better than me casting Banish every 40 seconds for 300dmg.

Well, not at level 60, no. I use Souleater pretty regularly now, they usually have SOME clue by 75. One time I had a WHM expressly ask for a chain it could Banish burst on... it wasn't even undead

healers in the parties I've been in have had plenty of mp to cure souleater.

Pickup parties? if so you are one lucky bastard

[Lordwafik]

Almost all my parties are pickup parties, and they're all fine. I dont see why people are so afraid of them.

By 75, most of the people doing pickup parties are getting merits, and know the deal of what to do.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Most of what I do are pickup parties (usually with 1 or 2 LS members) but... well I have bad experiences :/