Job Adjustments

[Maxxthepenguin]

I'm pretty sure that any war here if given 2 tabarzin will out damage you.

Intelligent 75 war's btw don't use jugg.

Most use maneater, but Jugg is still better than anything DRK gets. And maybe 'any war here' but that also includes such stuff as blueberk, speed belt, and a shitton of merits. Give a normal war with few merits and normal gear a chance to go up against me and I will outdamage it. I have above-average gear (not amazing, but very good.)

[Lordwafik]

Give a normal war with few merits and normal gear a chance to go up against me and I will outdamage it. I have above-average gear (not amazing, but very good.)

Talk about unfair comparison; a normal gear'd WAR with few merits, vs you with "Very good" gear ?

[Volken]

I will outdamage it.

Everytime I see this my head starts spinning

[Viq]

its in the retarded weapons DRKs get. Though we can use Woodville/Jugg as well

Most use maneater, but Jugg is still better than anything DRK gets.

Feel free to ignore everything I said because nothing I say can be right

EDIT: Bold for comedy

[Maxxthepenguin]

Give a normal war with few merits and normal gear a chance to go up against me and I will outdamage it. I have above-average gear (not amazing, but very good.)

Talk about unfair comparison; a normal gear'd WAR with few merits, vs you with "Very good" gear ?

Or give me a similarly geared WAR with 2x tabarzins and it would be close, with him edging me out since he can take more risks most likely. In a party where there is extra healing power, due to us not taking damage or just a lot of healing power, I can use souleater as well.

Oh and I don't have many merits because people tend not to invite DRK for merits and I just don't have time to do much meriting. So few merits is fair. I think I have 4 to date.

[Mifaco]

I'm working on Axe skill to see if its somehow any different (currently 201). But I doubt it will be.

Are you retarded or something? Have you never heard of Rampage?

[Maxxthepenguin]

its in the retarded weapons DRKs get. Though we can use Woodville/Jugg as well

Most use maneater, but Jugg is still better than anything DRK gets.

Feel free to ignore everything I said because nothing I say can be right

EDIT: Bold for comedy

The quote post, an internet tradition. You know what I meant, oh and by the way I was wrong in my 1st post you quoted, Jugg is WAR/BST only. You must have temporarily forgot too, because I'm sure you didn't MEAN to miss an opportinity to make fun of me. I meant DRK can use Woodsville/Maneater. And saying nothing a DRK can use compares I mean no weapon DRK can use thats NOT B- compares. Thanks for playing the typo game!

And the last quote was obvious sarcasm, because anything I say is immediately discredited without consideration or second thought.

[Maxxthepenguin]

I'm working on Axe skill to see if its somehow any different (currently 201). But I doubt it will be.

Are you retarded or something? Have you never heard of Rampage?

Err my Guillotines outdamage many WARs rampages. I didn't bring it up because its an equal factor.

[Demetrick]

maxx you really need to keep posting, the more you do, the more concrete any arguement you have becomes.

Please enlighten me.

[Pawky]

I'm working on Axe skill to see if its somehow any different (currently 201). But I doubt it will be.

Are you retarded or something? Have you never heard of Rampage?

Err my Guillotines outdamage many WARs rampages. I didn't bring it up because its an equal factor.

Mifaco is responding to this:

As a DRK, when I sub NIN and go sword/sword I do less damage than Scythe. I'm working on Axe skill to see if its somehow any different (currently 201). But I doubt it will be.

[Maxxthepenguin]

I'm working on Axe skill to see if its somehow any different (currently 201). But I doubt it will be.

Are you retarded or something? Have you never heard of Rampage?

Err my Guillotines outdamage many WARs rampages. I didn't bring it up because its an equal factor.

Mifaco is responding to how you said you dont think Dual wielding axes will be much different than dual wielding swords.

Oh. Well considering my Guillotines are on par with a WAR's Rampages, the thing I kept track of was non-ws DoT. Also I tend to think of Vorpal Blade to be around 4/5 of Rampage's damage.

Sorry if I get a little bogged down, having an entire forum coming onto your ass gets to be something hard to manage and comments tend to blend in your head.

[Xavier]

The only reason the entire forum is coming down on you is because nobody agrees with you. And this isn't Alla, 85% of the people here are among the top players on their servers. They know what they are talking about.

Its such a simple concept. DRK swings a scythe for 150-200 dmg a swing. WAR swings an axe twice for 100 dmg a swing, WAR swings at least 4 times before the DRK swings twice, often more because of a high double attack rate. DoT: Warrior rapes Dark Knight.

DRK does Guillitone for 1500 dmg, WAR does rampage for 1200 dmg. But wait, WAR builds TP at least twice as fast, and does an extra rampage while the DRK is still building tp.

Any SMART warrior with good gear is going to rape a scythe drk. I still like DRK because it can stun in a merit pt (lol blms wat?) though.

Making a DRK hit harder will NOT fix them. Making them swing faster will. Its DoT that matters in this game, not burst dmg (outside of hnms). The ratio in delay vs. dmg on a 2hnded weapon is out of proportion to the delay vs. dmg of singlehanded weapons. Its broken.

[Onizuka]

Cue Sekkite.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XD

[Onizuka]

The only reason the entire forum is coming down on you is because nobody agrees with you. And this isn't Alla, 85% of the people here are among the top players on their servers. They know what they are talking about.

Its such a simple concept. DRK swings a scythe for 150-200 dmg a swing. WAR swings an axe twice for 100 dmg a swing, WAR swings at least 4 times before the DRK swings twice, often more because of a high double attack rate. DoT: Warrior rapes Dark Knight.

DRK does Guillitone for 1500 dmg, WAR does rampage for 1200 dmg. But wait, WAR builds TP at least twice as fast, and does an extra rampage while the DRK is still building tp.

Any SMART warrior with good gear is going to rape a scythe drk. I still like DRK because it can stun in a merit pt (lol blms wat?) though.

Making a DRK hit harder will NOT fix them. Making them swing faster will. Its DoT that matters in this game, not burst dmg (outside of hnms). The ratio in delay vs. dmg on a 2hnded weapon is out of proportion to the delay vs. dmg of singlehanded weapons. Its broken.

Well My boy Xav hit tha nail on the w/e u call it >..

Only drk i know thats not worthless is my boy Amarok but even he has to "play" war with the most expensive/rare shit u can get just to be second best to the pimp wars in his ls, but he don't give a fuck cause he got blm! lol

If a jobs only strenth is to act like another job it's not really a job now is it-.-'

Maneater/riddle drk/nin with adaman ace helm and homan(sp?) gear(Amarok lol) will pimp out good dmg but without duel weild.. without double attack.. it will always suck riddle or not cause if you forgot wars get that too aswell as Bayyako's pants-.-'

Now that Xav mentions it i think SE should just forget about the haste, no amount will beat double attack or DW4 i say make scythe hit for 200-300 on HNM's and ws dmg do 700-1000 depending on gear. That way drk is like a smn or blm on hmns and will mostly be used for that, Drk in exp pts will 4ever suck balls cause no matter how much dmg they do they still have the def of a blm and souleater only makes it better...-.-'

[Maxxthepenguin]

The only reason the entire forum is coming down on you is because nobody agrees with you. And this isn't Alla, 85% of the people here are among the top players on their servers. They know what they are talking about.

Its such a simple concept. DRK swings a scythe for 150-200 dmg a swing. WAR swings an axe twice for 100 dmg a swing, WAR swings at least 4 times before the DRK swings twice, often more because of a high double attack rate. DoT: Warrior rapes Dark Knight.

DRK does Guillitone for 1500 dmg, WAR does rampage for 1200 dmg. But wait, WAR builds TP at least twice as fast, and does an extra rampage while the DRK is still building tp.

Any SMART warrior with good gear is going to rape a scythe drk. I still like DRK because it can stun in a merit pt (lol blms wat?) though.

Making a DRK hit harder will NOT fix them. Making them swing faster will. Its DoT that matters in this game, not burst dmg (outside of hnms). The ratio in delay vs. dmg on a 2hnded weapon is out of proportion to the delay vs. dmg of singlehanded weapons. Its broken.

Well, thank you for a sensible post.

Maybe I just party with bad WARs, maybe not, but the ones I tend to party with hit for more like 70 on average when I swing for 150-200 and its more like 3 hits for every one hit. Yes its less but not monumentally so.
As far as WSes, in my experience WARs tend to gain WS at a rate of 1.2:1 compared to me. Once again, not a big difference. Oh and the WS numbers are all lower in general as well, more like 600 Rampages to 800 Guillotines.

As for your final comment, there are to ways to improve the ratio of damage over time. Increase damage or decrease time. I don't know what's not to get there.

Oh and as much as you say the best of the best are here, its not exactly true. Most read the forum but few post on it. Its open registration, theres some guy who decided his experience as a level 70 SAM meant he was qualified here. Its mostly bahamut and lordwafik who post on the board regularly.

[Viq]

its in the retarded weapons DRKs get. Though we can use Woodville/Jugg as well

Most use maneater, but Jugg is still better than anything DRK gets.

Feel free to ignore everything I said because nothing I say can be right

EDIT: Bold for comedy

The quote post, an internet tradition. You know what I meant, oh and by the way I was wrong in my 1st post you quoted, Jugg is WAR/BST only. You must have temporarily forgot too, because I'm sure you didn't MEAN to miss an opportinity to make fun of me. I meant DRK can use Woodsville/Maneater. And saying nothing a DRK can use compares I mean no weapon DRK can use thats NOT B- compares. Thanks for playing the typo game!

And the last quote was obvious sarcasm, because anything I say is immediately discredited without consideration or second thought.

I'm well aware DRK can't use Jugg. It was illustrating how you are arguing for something that you don't even fucking know about, so just stop.

[Ohemgee]

Stop trying

WAR > DRKs in spam pts

[Heian]

The only reason the entire forum is coming down on you is because nobody agrees with you. And this isn't Alla, 85% of the people here are among the top players on their servers. They know what they are talking about.

Its such a simple concept. DRK swings a scythe for 150-200 dmg a swing. WAR swings an axe twice for 100 dmg a swing, WAR swings at least 4 times before the DRK swings twice, often more because of a high double attack rate. DoT: Warrior rapes Dark Knight.

DRK does Guillitone for 1500 dmg, WAR does rampage for 1200 dmg. But wait, WAR builds TP at least twice as fast, and does an extra rampage while the DRK is still building tp.

Any SMART warrior with good gear is going to rape a scythe drk. I still like DRK because it can stun in a merit pt (lol blms wat?) though.

Making a DRK hit harder will NOT fix them. Making them swing faster will. Its DoT that matters in this game, not burst dmg (outside of hnms). The ratio in delay vs. dmg on a 2hnded weapon is out of proportion to the delay vs. dmg of singlehanded weapons. Its broken.

Well, thank you for a sensible post.

Maybe I just party with bad WARs, maybe not, but the ones I tend to party with hit for more like 70 on average when I swing for 150-200 and its more like 3 hits for every one hit. Yes its less but not monumentally so.
As far as WSes, in my experience WARs tend to gain WS at a rate of 1.2:1 compared to me. Once again, not a big difference. Oh and the WS numbers are all lower in general as well, more like 600 Rampages to 800 Guillotines.

As for your final comment, there are to ways to improve the ratio of damage over time. Increase damage or decrease time. I don't know what's not to get there.

Oh and as much as you say the best of the best are here, its not exactly true. Most read the forum but few post on it. Its open registration, theres some guy who decided his experience as a level 70 SAM meant he was qualified here. Its mostly bahamut and lordwafik who post on the board regularly.

Sorry Max you're wrong again. I WAR and NIN burn with WARs in Adaman Haub, Ridill and capped merits on a regular basis. They consitantly hit 1K Rampages on Deco Weapons in sky. Mighty Strikes Rampage with full TP return can easily break 1400. DRK DoT fails horribly, no matter what you do you cannot keep up. What part of that do you not understand?

EDIT: Xavier please ban him. I feel that another Angelkitty is upon us.

[Metah]

Fast Blade beats whatever you can dish out.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Sorry Max you're wrong again. I WAR and NIN burn with WARs in Adaman Haub, Ridill and capped merits on a regular basis. They consitantly hit 1K Rampages on Deco Weapons in sky. Mighty Strikes Rampage with full TP return can easily break 1400. DRK DoT fails horribly, no matter what you do you cannot keep up. What part of that do you not understand?

EDIT: Xavier please ban him. I feel that another Angelkitty is upon us.

I don't exp with those regularly, thus why I don't see that. Do you exp with DRKs with capped merits? I doubt it. So wheres the fair comparison? Plus guillotine souleater regularly breaks 1400 too but its a stupid comparison, since a good time to use it is almost as rare as when you can use mighty strikes rampage. DRK DoT does not fail horribly as DRK/WAR. Seriously, send a BG scout to Unicorn or something and I can show you.

Also, I'm not out to prove DRK > all. Just that DRK is not a load of shit that is useless. You guys seem to think that if something tends to outdamage something else the something else is useless, always. I'm just saying thats not true, and that, for some reason, pisses you off to no end.


And seriously, you want me banned because I stick to my experiences as much as you do to yours?