Regarding the additions for PLD in next update

[Janice]

I would think that in dynamis, auto draw-in cover would be more useful.

Random mage casts Dia on Avatar.

Random mage runs away and hopes no one notices it was him.

PLD covers mage.

PLD: If I'm going down, I'm taking you with me.

[Onizuka]

1. You basically repeated everything i said back at me like a fucking idiot..

Learn to read /and/ write.

Will do

2. If you cant keep hate better than a nin lvling 1-75 you fucking suck balls cause not only does the mob pwn your hp it also pwns your mp and you cant even keep the party alive..pretty usless tank their hirro...

I'm sure NIN 1-37 holds hate oh so much more better than PLD. It's there, not their, see my first reply about writing. And where did you see PLD being main healer for PT, it's PLD job's to get hit and use their MP to keep hate so he keeps getting hit. That's what the WHM and Refresher there to do, help PLD.

1.The part about nin holding hate better was sarcasim...
2.If im not mistaken "There" is used when discribing a place..
3.I ment keep the party alive by keeping hate and not letting the mob attack the party members(killing them), nothing to do with healing(except for hate)

For me i know what im good at and what im lacking i know the limits to my job.. Unlike you who thinks his perfect and so is his job...ya right lawl thats one thing i do hate about alot of plds it's like they come naturally stupid and cocky

Have you tanked anything outside of EXP PT on your NIN? Oh wait, you quit as 73 if I remember right. I tanked vs NINs as /war and /nin I know the job's limits and capabilities, hense my confidence. I don't state anything I don't know personally. You on the other hand...

I see you remember that little detail huh.. LOL! I state what i know and as you said you don't need to be a 75nin to say what you say cause you tanked with them.. well i had to SATA on the tanks end game and i know how much hate is needed etc, and i was talking about exp pts so my nin is valid there isen't it..

Ohh and please lvl Ninja and never lose hate with 4 blms in your party doing nothing but nuking.. plz go right ahead.. Ohh and when you fail..yes you will fail dumbass, stfu plz kthxbai..

Thanks, I'll take that under consideration, but remember this. I've tanked on with 6-7 BLMs nuking, have you? So just STFU

Hmm. Ive tanked with 4 rngs and 1 blm(5 DD's 1 tank..), 2blm 2rng pt's in sky, all i basicaly pted with past 40 was rngs, hell at 60-64 i had nothing but rng sky pts on flamingo's with them doing 1k barrage 1k SS's pimped out rngs strider boots(4 show) & kraken clubs(tp) >.> had a sam/rng or 2 aswell doing more dmg than the rngs lol, aswell as some pimp war/nins. Yea as you know i quit right before 75 so no i didn't get to tank with 6-7 blm's nuking but im by far a bad tank..

If you wanna talk about HNM tanking well you got me there.. but im a smart person and can give input from information ive gotten from tanks and from being in the party/alliance with a diffrent job.


In closing your not as dumb as i thought, well i never thought you were in the first place but you do like pissing me off..

[Hirronimus]

Would be nice if Cover worked like an auto draw-in, so when you use it on your mage who is running the fuck away from the mob, he'd get teleported behind you and/or melee who is flailing his e-peen around after fluke busting decent dmg

Thumbs up!

Honestly, it's not the mages that really concern me in PTs, it's the dumb ass melee who either trick onto themselves or buff up with JA up the wazoo doing good dmg and than standing there like a dumbshit. (Iusually just let them dip into red before curing them >.>)

Personally, I'm not complaining about these boosts, I'm more than happy about them~

If RDM is my first lovely wife, the PLD is my misstress.

[Ksandra]

I am not a pld, and I'm not sure how they're looked upon on other servers. But when I saw the pld change I thought it wasn't becuase people can't play pld, but more because pld are starting to get shunned like dragoons.

At least on Hades, it's harder for people to lvl pld becuase a ninja will ALWAYS get a party first. It's not like people know if the person playing the pld is bad, they just think "oh we chan chain more since the whm won't lose mp as fast". In fact it seems like it's getting harder and harder for pld to get into hnmlses too.

I remember back in the day pld were the kings of tanking, and ninja's were good but often could lead to losing hate. Again I've never taken a tank job far (my pld is 19 lol), so I have no idea why ninja's started to get better at holding hate. I'm assuming it's simply more knowledge about the class that people know, inorder to help with hate. Merits are probably a major factor too. So now ninjas are able to tank hnms which usually means you need less whm and those whm can go blm instead to make a faster fight.

At least that's what people seem to think. It's the same how people thought drg can't do dmg without their dragon out. It's not true but people believe it anyways and would boot drg when their pet died. And it is starting to happen to pld I think. So I'm glad they're trying to make it so people will start using pld tanks again.

[Maxxthepenguin]

At least on Hades, it's harder for people to lvl pld becuase a ninja will ALWAYS get a party first. It's not like people know if the person playing the pld is bad, they just think "oh we chan chain more since the whm won't lose mp as fast". In fact it seems like it's getting harder and harder for pld to get into hnmlses too.

I remember back in the day pld were the kings of tanking, and ninja's were good but often could lead to losing hate. Again I've never taken a tank job far (my pld is 19 lol), so I have no idea why ninja's started to get better at holding hate. I'm assuming it's simply more knowledge about the class that people know, inorder to help with hate. Merits are probably a major factor too. So now ninjas are able to tank hnms which usually means you need less whm and those whm can go blm instead to make a faster fight.

Well what happened is:
A. Ninjas found that they have more spells than Utsusemi and Tonko, and they get good hate
B. Ninjas, even with the utsu hate loss patch, don't lose as much hate as PLD
C. Ninjas deal a LOT more damage than PLDs (would you rather have a tank that requires healing or one that doesn't and deals damage?)
D. Ninjas take less healing, so that frees other party slots.

The issue however is NIN is not as good with protecting members. PLD can spike its hate much better than NIN with Rampart, Sentinel, Flash, Cures, and Invincible and even if thats not enough, they can cover. But, since more melees than ever are subbing NIN (I'm starting to see SAM/NINs...), hate control just isn't that important since anything can take a few hits with shadows up.
Now, of course, most of the time you have to hold back in a party with a NIN pre-75 for the 1st 20 or so seconds whereas you can unleash your WSes faster with a good PLD. So its really mainly a problem of people not utilizing PLD's powers.
Oh and for HNMs, PLD/NIN is better than anything for tanking, voke isn't really that needed for long battles when you don't lose that much hate, most LSes just havent gotten the memo.

[Palin]

At least on Hades, it's harder for people to lvl pld becuase a ninja will ALWAYS get a party first. It's not like people know if the person playing the pld is bad, they just think "oh we chan chain more since the whm won't lose mp as fast". In fact it seems like it's getting harder and harder for pld to get into hnmlses too.

I remember back in the day pld were the kings of tanking, and ninja's were good but often could lead to losing hate. Again I've never taken a tank job far (my pld is 19 lol), so I have no idea why ninja's started to get better at holding hate. I'm assuming it's simply more knowledge about the class that people know, inorder to help with hate. Merits are probably a major factor too. So now ninjas are able to tank hnms which usually means you need less whm and those whm can go blm instead to make a faster fight.

Well what happened is:
A. Ninjas found that they have more spells than Utsusemi and Tonko, and they get good hate
B. Ninjas, even with the utsu hate loss patch, don't lose as much hate as PLD
C. Ninjas deal a LOT more damage than PLDs (would you rather have a tank that requires healing or one that doesn't and deals damage?)
D. Ninjas take less healing, so that frees other party slots.

You forgot where Ninjas realized they have 7 Shadows between 2 spells and realized they can take off their Evasion gear and put on some DD gear, and make fights go a lot faster resulting in better exp/hr. :wink:

I never understood the whole Evasion fad for Ninjas, hell, my ex-LS's leader was an evasion ninja with a Kraken club spamming Blade Ku for 100-200 -.-. Didn't seem to make sense to me when Warrior's could tank with Slow and Para and no Evasion, why a job with another shadow, A- Evasion, their own personal debuffs, and access to easier Haste gear needed to destroy their DD abilities to see "The mob misses XXX" 100 times in a row.

[Takeno]

1. You basically repeated everything i said back at me like a fucking idiot..

Learn to read /and/ write.

Will do

2. If you cant keep hate better than a nin lvling 1-75 you fucking suck balls cause not only does the mob pwn your hp it also pwns your mp and you cant even keep the party alive..pretty usless tank their hirro...

I'm sure NIN 1-37 holds hate oh so much more better than PLD. It's there, not their, see my first reply about writing. And where did you see PLD being main healer for PT, it's PLD job's to get hit and use their MP to keep hate so he keeps getting hit. That's what the WHM and Refresher there to do, help PLD.

1.The part about nin holding hate better was sarcasim...
2.If im not mistaken "There" is used when discribing a place..
3.I ment keep the party alive by keeping hate and not letting the mob attack the party members(killing them), nothing to do with healing(except for hate)

For me i know what im good at and what im lacking i know the limits to my job.. Unlike you who thinks his perfect and so is his job...ya right lawl thats one thing i do hate about alot of plds it's like they come naturally stupid and cocky

Have you tanked anything outside of EXP PT on your NIN? Oh wait, you quit as 73 if I remember right. I tanked vs NINs as /war and /nin I know the job's limits and capabilities, hense my confidence. I don't state anything I don't know personally. You on the other hand...

I see you remember that little detail huh.. LOL! I state what i know and as you said you don't need to be a 75nin to say what you say cause you tanked with them.. well i had to SATA on the tanks end game and i know how much hate is needed etc, and i was talking about exp pts so my nin is valid there isen't it..

Ohh and please lvl Ninja and never lose hate with 4 blms in your party doing nothing but nuking.. plz go right ahead.. Ohh and when you fail..yes you will fail dumbass, stfu plz kthxbai..

Thanks, I'll take that under consideration, but remember this. I've tanked on with 6-7 BLMs nuking, have you? So just STFU

Hmm. Ive tanked with 4 rngs and 1 blm(5 DD's 1 tank..), 2blm 2rng pt's in sky, all i basicaly pted with past 40 was rngs, hell at 60-64 i had nothing but rng sky pts on flamingo's with them doing 1k barrage 1k SS's pimped out rngs strider boots(4 show) & kraken clubs(tp) >.> had a sam/rng or 2 aswell doing more dmg than the rngs lol, aswell as some pimp war/nins. Yea as you know i quit right before 75 so no i didn't get to tank with 6-7 blm's nuking but im by far a bad tank..

If you wanna talk about HNM tanking well you got me there.. but im a smart person and can give input from information ive gotten from tanks and from being in the party/alliance with a diffrent job.


In closing your not as dumb as i thought, well i never thought you were in the first place but you do like pissing me off..

Yeah right your a retard, there is no way a ninja could tank a 2+ RNGs in sky doing flamingos pre nerf. Only reason they didnt die was cuz they had shadows lol. Im a mnk and lvl 60 pld and When i was in Bibiki Bay pting with a rng pre nerf with a nin tank, even I could take hate off them. But the rng ended up getting it all. Reason why I didnt like ninjas in those lvls, cuz they couldnt keep hate since i loved to exp with rng.

And at lvl 75 i see no point in exping with a tank. For one, MNK will have all hate, even with /nin sub. Exp in krt is 2x faster. So yeah >.>

[Lordwafik]

At least on Hades, it's harder for people to lvl pld becuase a ninja will ALWAYS get a party first. It's not like people know if the person playing the pld is bad, they just think "oh we chan chain more since the whm won't lose mp as fast". In fact it seems like it's getting harder and harder for pld to get into hnmlses too.

I remember back in the day pld were the kings of tanking, and ninja's were good but often could lead to losing hate. Again I've never taken a tank job far (my pld is 19 lol), so I have no idea why ninja's started to get better at holding hate. I'm assuming it's simply more knowledge about the class that people know, inorder to help with hate. Merits are probably a major factor too. So now ninjas are able to tank hnms which usually means you need less whm and those whm can go blm instead to make a faster fight.

Well what happened is:
A. Ninjas found that they have more spells than Utsusemi and Tonko, and they get good hate
B. Ninjas, even with the utsu hate loss patch, don't lose as much hate as PLD
C. Ninjas deal a LOT more damage than PLDs (would you rather have a tank that requires healing or one that doesn't and deals damage?)
D. Ninjas take less healing, so that frees other party slots.

You forgot where Ninjas realized they have 7 Shadows between 2 spells and realized they can take off their Evasion gear and put on some DD gear, and make fights go a lot faster resulting in better exp/hr. :wink:

I never understood the whole Evasion fad for Ninjas, hell, my ex-LS's leader was an evasion ninja with a Kraken club spamming Blade Ku for 100-200 -.-. Didn't seem to make sense to me when Warrior's could tank with Slow and Para and no Evasion, why a job with another shadow, A- Evasion, their own personal debuffs, and access to easier Haste gear needed to destroy their DD abilities to see "The mob misses XXX" 100 times in a row.

I think it's because of the lack of information at the time, everyone just assumed NIN = eva bitch, and threw all the evasion they could. They didnt expect this Tank to have DD gear and DD with everyone else.

[Tymon]

And at lvl 75 i see no point in exping with a tank. For one, MNK will have all hate, even with /nin sub. Exp in krt is 2x faster. So yeah >.>

or war, or blm, or smn

[Ankiseth]

I originally went in full evasion as I got up to 75, sans wearing Arhat's for the enmity to make sure I didn't lose hate. Not getting hit was mostly for personal benefit and saving MP, and I was smart with my tools so I never lost hate really. When I got to 75 and was able to farm though I definitely started trading out all my eva stuff for DD gear. Now I have a lot less evasion on while tanking, but merits and a boxer's mantle make it seem like it was better than before because of the skill+ and I do a hell of a lot more damage.

[Demetrios]

Nerf PLD

[Khamsin]

At least on Hades, it's harder for people to lvl pld becuase a ninja will ALWAYS get a party first. It's not like people know if the person playing the pld is bad, they just think "oh we chan chain more since the whm won't lose mp as fast". In fact it seems like it's getting harder and harder for pld to get into hnmlses too.

I remember back in the day pld were the kings of tanking, and ninja's were good but often could lead to losing hate. Again I've never taken a tank job far (my pld is 19 lol), so I have no idea why ninja's started to get better at holding hate. I'm assuming it's simply more knowledge about the class that people know, inorder to help with hate. Merits are probably a major factor too. So now ninjas are able to tank hnms which usually means you need less whm and those whm can go blm instead to make a faster fight.

Well what happened is:
A. Ninjas found that they have more spells than Utsusemi and Tonko, and they get good hate
B. Ninjas, even with the utsu hate loss patch, don't lose as much hate as PLD
C. Ninjas deal a LOT more damage than PLDs (would you rather have a tank that requires healing or one that doesn't and deals damage?)
D. Ninjas take less healing, so that frees other party slots.

You forgot where Ninjas realized they have 7 Shadows between 2 spells and realized they can take off their Evasion gear and put on some DD gear, and make fights go a lot faster resulting in better exp/hr. :wink:

I never understood the whole Evasion fad for Ninjas, hell, my ex-LS's leader was an evasion ninja with a Kraken club spamming Blade Ku for 100-200 -.-. Didn't seem to make sense to me when Warrior's could tank with Slow and Para and no Evasion, why a job with another shadow, A- Evasion, their own personal debuffs, and access to easier Haste gear needed to destroy their DD abilities to see "The mob misses XXX" 100 times in a row.

I was thinking "aren't you your ex-LS's leader?" until I realized you were probably talking about Alveh.

I xp'd with Elenion quite a bit in the upper 60s into the 70s, and she pretty much had the kraken ninja thing down. I never checked her, but I'm guessing she was more DD oriented like you say. Either that, or it was because she was spamming Blade: Jin instead.

[Ksandra]

At least on Hades, it's harder for people to lvl pld becuase a ninja will ALWAYS get a party first. It's not like people know if the person playing the pld is bad, they just think "oh we chan chain more since the whm won't lose mp as fast". In fact it seems like it's getting harder and harder for pld to get into hnmlses too.

I remember back in the day pld were the kings of tanking, and ninja's were good but often could lead to losing hate. Again I've never taken a tank job far (my pld is 19 lol), so I have no idea why ninja's started to get better at holding hate. I'm assuming it's simply more knowledge about the class that people know, inorder to help with hate. Merits are probably a major factor too. So now ninjas are able to tank hnms which usually means you need less whm and those whm can go blm instead to make a faster fight.

Well what happened is:
A. Ninjas found that they have more spells than Utsusemi and Tonko, and they get good hate
B. Ninjas, even with the utsu hate loss patch, don't lose as much hate as PLD
C. Ninjas deal a LOT more damage than PLDs (would you rather have a tank that requires healing or one that doesn't and deals damage?)
D. Ninjas take less healing, so that frees other party slots.

You forgot where Ninjas realized they have 7 Shadows between 2 spells and realized they can take off their Evasion gear and put on some DD gear, and make fights go a lot faster resulting in better exp/hr. :wink:

I never understood the whole Evasion fad for Ninjas, hell, my ex-LS's leader was an evasion ninja with a Kraken club spamming Blade Ku for 100-200 -.-. Didn't seem to make sense to me when Warrior's could tank with Slow and Para and no Evasion, why a job with another shadow, A- Evasion, their own personal debuffs, and access to easier Haste gear needed to destroy their DD abilities to see "The mob misses XXX" 100 times in a row.

I think it's because of the lack of information at the time, everyone just assumed NIN = eva bitch, and threw all the evasion they could. They didnt expect this Tank to have DD gear and DD with everyone else.

Ya that is why I said it was probably knowledge about the job. Now that everyone has this knowledge, I can understand why se decided to do something to make sure that plds can be still needed (or not needed so much as wanted) as tanks.

[Palin]

At least on Hades, it's harder for people to lvl pld becuase a ninja will ALWAYS get a party first. It's not like people know if the person playing the pld is bad, they just think "oh we chan chain more since the whm won't lose mp as fast". In fact it seems like it's getting harder and harder for pld to get into hnmlses too.

I remember back in the day pld were the kings of tanking, and ninja's were good but often could lead to losing hate. Again I've never taken a tank job far (my pld is 19 lol), so I have no idea why ninja's started to get better at holding hate. I'm assuming it's simply more knowledge about the class that people know, inorder to help with hate. Merits are probably a major factor too. So now ninjas are able to tank hnms which usually means you need less whm and those whm can go blm instead to make a faster fight.

Well what happened is:
A. Ninjas found that they have more spells than Utsusemi and Tonko, and they get good hate
B. Ninjas, even with the utsu hate loss patch, don't lose as much hate as PLD
C. Ninjas deal a LOT more damage than PLDs (would you rather have a tank that requires healing or one that doesn't and deals damage?)
D. Ninjas take less healing, so that frees other party slots.

You forgot where Ninjas realized they have 7 Shadows between 2 spells and realized they can take off their Evasion gear and put on some DD gear, and make fights go a lot faster resulting in better exp/hr. :wink:

I never understood the whole Evasion fad for Ninjas, hell, my ex-LS's leader was an evasion ninja with a Kraken club spamming Blade Ku for 100-200 -.-. Didn't seem to make sense to me when Warrior's could tank with Slow and Para and no Evasion, why a job with another shadow, A- Evasion, their own personal debuffs, and access to easier Haste gear needed to destroy their DD abilities to see "The mob misses XXX" 100 times in a row.

I was thinking "aren't you your ex-LS's leader?" until I realized you were probably talking about Alveh.

I xp'd with Elenion quite a bit in the upper 60s into the 70s, and she pretty much had the kraken ninja thing down. I never checked her, but I'm guessing she was more DD oriented like you say. Either that, or it was because she was spamming Blade: Jin instead.

Lol, ya, Kraken really isn't a good offhand for Nin anyways, I did Deco with Elen to get her to 75, and told her she parsered higher(and hurt the pT a lot less) by using a 2nd Katana. But thats for another thread. But ya, she was more DD orientated, Alveh used full Evasion, Harness, Rasetsu, everything. Not really an ounce of DD gear. But it was a long time ago, where Eva Nin was the thing to do. I was just stating that I really didn't understand it because I was exposed to WARs doing the same thing with no Evasion, and doing fine.

[Lockecole]

I don't know why some people are bringing endgame into this discussion when they refer to PLD changes. (Yeah, I realize my initial comment was about endgame. >_>)I believe the difference is NIN/WAR being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better then PLD/WAR or PLD/NIN when it comes to merit PTs, and normal PTs.

Get a good NIN/WAR, an uber NIN/WAR @75...and you're talking a job that can compete with Ridill WARs. SE is just trying to make it so that PLD is considered more often in EXP PTs, for other things it may open up...like the option of not needing a RDM for refresh, or other things.

End game should be thought of when dealing with these changes. SE is making it so PLD's are better in xp parties. Right now, NIN really is better. But as always SE is thinking about lvling and not endgame. So for LS's who use PLD/NIN to tank, this is just a big bonus for endgame. Who cares about xp parties.

My point was PLD doesnt need a buff endgame, and if anything is just as good if not better then a NIN @ Sea, Sky, HNMs, Wyrms. The only place PLD needs a buff is in EXP PT, where they can't DD and tank like a NIN can, and inturn always are second best when it comes to tank choice in an EXP PT.

[Onizuka]

Yeah right your a retard, there is no way a ninja could tank a 2+ RNGs in sky doing flamingos pre nerf. Only reason they didnt die was cuz they had shadows lol. Im a mnk and lvl 60 pld and When i was in Bibiki Bay pting with a rng pre nerf with a nin tank, even I could take hate off them. But the rng ended up getting it all. Reason why I didnt like ninjas in those lvls, cuz they couldnt keep hate since i loved to exp with rng.

And at lvl 75 i see no point in exping with a tank. For one, MNK will have all hate, even with /nin sub. Exp in krt is 2x faster. So yeah >.>

Im retarted because you think i cant tank with 2 rngs on birds... lawl

1. you don't know me..
2. never seen and or pt'ed with me..
3. have never seen a good ninja apparently..

When pting with diffrent melee i change to diffrent armor.. Was doing 350(without zerk)-550 jins in sky so yea i think i kept hate just fine.. and with rngs /nin they never got hit anyway dumbass.. plus sometimes i had 2 nin 2 rng with nikkei having speed belt, haubergeon etc, we basically just melee'ed cause together we had 16 shadows back to back Ni's. Or if i wanted i could get a good deal of +emnity but in most cases i just mixed in a few peices with the DD or evasion set up when needed. I don't know what kind of nins you know but what i do know is you don't know me.. so stfu, kthxbai



k,now talking about the evasion thing, yea i have to admit i was an evasion whore for a bit lol till i got blade jin anyway, before then your better off evading then adding 20-30dmg to blade chi or w/e. Only bad thing with evading is it doesn't keep hate like meleeing does. So if i had the choice to do it over again i would probally go all DD/def gear and tank that way seeing with 8 shadows at start plus the chance he actually would miss me even with -20-30 evasion lol i can just cast again and again the full on DD gear will do great dmg especially with DW4 and jin, so i say full melee/tank 60+(DW4/65) then even if you don't have shadows up your def wont be to bad and the whm and or rdm will have full mp anyways.

[Lockecole]

Pull with voke as NIN. I guarantee that in and of itself will help you hold hate against even pre-patch RNGs. Post-patch gilbuying WARs wearing +6enmity is another story. :wink:

[Khamsin]

At least on Hades, it's harder for people to lvl pld becuase a ninja will ALWAYS get a party first. It's not like people know if the person playing the pld is bad, they just think "oh we chan chain more since the whm won't lose mp as fast". In fact it seems like it's getting harder and harder for pld to get into hnmlses too.

I remember back in the day pld were the kings of tanking, and ninja's were good but often could lead to losing hate. Again I've never taken a tank job far (my pld is 19 lol), so I have no idea why ninja's started to get better at holding hate. I'm assuming it's simply more knowledge about the class that people know, inorder to help with hate. Merits are probably a major factor too. So now ninjas are able to tank hnms which usually means you need less whm and those whm can go blm instead to make a faster fight.

Well what happened is:
A. Ninjas found that they have more spells than Utsusemi and Tonko, and they get good hate
B. Ninjas, even with the utsu hate loss patch, don't lose as much hate as PLD
C. Ninjas deal a LOT more damage than PLDs (would you rather have a tank that requires healing or one that doesn't and deals damage?)
D. Ninjas take less healing, so that frees other party slots.

You forgot where Ninjas realized they have 7 Shadows between 2 spells and realized they can take off their Evasion gear and put on some DD gear, and make fights go a lot faster resulting in better exp/hr. :wink:

I never understood the whole Evasion fad for Ninjas, hell, my ex-LS's leader was an evasion ninja with a Kraken club spamming Blade Ku for 100-200 -.-. Didn't seem to make sense to me when Warrior's could tank with Slow and Para and no Evasion, why a job with another shadow, A- Evasion, their own personal debuffs, and access to easier Haste gear needed to destroy their DD abilities to see "The mob misses XXX" 100 times in a row.

I was thinking "aren't you your ex-LS's leader?" until I realized you were probably talking about Alveh.

I xp'd with Elenion quite a bit in the upper 60s into the 70s, and she pretty much had the kraken ninja thing down. I never checked her, but I'm guessing she was more DD oriented like you say. Either that, or it was because she was spamming Blade: Jin instead.

Lol, ya, Kraken really isn't a good offhand for Nin anyways, I did Deco with Elen to get her to 75, and told her she parsered higher(and hurt the pT a lot less) by using a 2nd Katana. But thats for another thread. But ya, she was more DD orientated, Alveh used full Evasion, Harness, Rasetsu, everything. Not really an ounce of DD gear. But it was a long time ago, where Eva Nin was the thing to do. I was just stating that I really didn't understand it because I was exposed to WARs doing the same thing with no Evasion, and doing fine.

Yeah, mob TP spam is the big downside of kraken. I was RDM/WHM doing all the status cures, and you can imagine how much fun I had in Onzozo and Bibiki Bay. I had it down to an art. It's fun to see:

_____ starts casting Utsusemi: Ichi on _____.
_____ is silenced.
_____ is no longer silenced.
_____ casts Utsusemi: Ichi.

It was a challenge that kept my interest in light of my other enfeebling/hasting/refreshing/sleeping/backup curing/whoring duties, so I didn't mind it so much.

But in a sky decoburn PT, I don't want a challenge, I want to mindlessly bash things brains in and get chain 26 (on my WAR). So yes... no kraken there, please.

[Genosync]

Oni:

You're not as good as you've seem to make yourself out to be, and you don't know really as much as you talk about, but I do know that you probably did at least keep hate over RNGs pre-patch.

[Onizuka]

Oni:

You're not as good as you've seem to make yourself out to be, and you don't know really as much as you talk about, but I do know that you probably did at least keep hate over RNGs pre-patch.

Your right im not great and i know that, im not trying to say im teh 1337 nin/drk/blm but when people think your a crappy player..well you have to defend yourself don't you..
All i said was parties ive been in and problems ive had. If i say i had a problems keeping hate with 4rngs and a blm(which i did) i get the pld(hirro) saying you suck and need a thief... I know i didn't suck cause i replaced a 67 pld as 65 nin and the rdm d/ced so they got another rng to bot so i faild in that pt, i died like 3 times and the rngs died a couple of times aswell, mainly due to dater AoE and DA's, plus you don't even fight those flys till around 67 anyway.


1. I would like to know however what makes you think im not that great anyway? i know im not cause im me and well i would know lol

2. I don't claim to know everything and i like to learn more whenever i can. I give info from what i have experianced, what i know, and or think is right from what info i do have.

3. I have a short temper irl so when people accuse me of things and or say things about me i believe not to be true i respond in haste and without as much thought as i probably should.

4. Those are my faults and i try to do my best with them but nobodys perfect, im cool with who i am.