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[Tape]

I think BLU has shown itself to be a /WHM job.

1) It has MP, and a non-mage sub will gimp their MP pool.
2) Just as a BLM subs WHM (or sometimes RDM) because those are the most efficient subs, so will a BLU.
3) Unlike a RDM subbing BLM (because RDM main has elemental and enfeebling skill), a BLU subbing BLM would be retarded because they will not have elemental/enfeebling skills.

Therefore, the only effective sub for BLU is WHM. Especially if there's a cooldown on their better abilities, and during level ranges where their skill sets suck.

Yeah Blu is easy enough to figure out. I'm just curious as to what kind of options we will have with the other jobs. I'm hoping that SE will take this oppurtunity to make these jobs alittle more well rounded then other jobs in the past. They always talk about how they want to player base to mess around with subjobs and find one they like, but they design the jobs to narrowminded that only a few subs can be used and still be effective.

I'm going Pup/Drg and jumping on everything. AND OMG 2 PETS AT ONCE!!! Pup/Drg is the new Drg/Smn!

[Zetah]

So obviously Corsair is going to be able to use god gear? Wonder what abjurations they use. Wyrmal like RNG? Seems like Puppetmaster will be able to use god gear as well, and Blue Mage zenith.

[Cleveland]

I think BLU has shown itself to be a /WHM job.

1) It has MP, and a non-mage sub will gimp their MP pool.
2) Just as a BLM subs WHM (or sometimes RDM) because those are the most efficient subs, so will a BLU.
3) Unlike a RDM subbing BLM (because RDM main has elemental and enfeebling skill), a BLU subbing BLM would be retarded because they will not have elemental/enfeebling skills.

Therefore, the only effective sub for BLU is WHM. Especially if there's a cooldown on their better abilities, and during level ranges where their skill sets suck.

Yeah Blu is easy enough to figure out. I'm just curious as to what kind of options we will have with the other jobs. I'm hoping that SE will take this oppurtunity to make these jobs alittle more well rounded then other jobs in the past. They always talk about how they want to player base to mess around with subjobs and find one they like, but they design the jobs to narrowminded that only a few subs can be used and still be effective.

I'm going Pup/Drg and jumping on everything. AND OMG 2 PETS AT ONCE!!! Pup/Drg is the new Drg/Smn!

Hope you are joking. It is already a known fact a player can only have 1 pet at a time. BST/SMN can either have carby out, or a pet out...never both.

[Demetrios]

I think BLU has shown itself to be a /WHM job.

1) It has MP, and a non-mage sub will gimp their MP pool.
2) Just as a BLM subs WHM (or sometimes RDM) because those are the most efficient subs, so will a BLU.
3) Unlike a RDM subbing BLM (because RDM main has elemental and enfeebling skill), a BLU subbing BLM would be retarded because they will not have elemental/enfeebling skills.

Therefore, the only effective sub for BLU is WHM. Especially if there's a cooldown on their better abilities, and during level ranges where their skill sets suck.

Yeah Blu is easy enough to figure out. I'm just curious as to what kind of options we will have with the other jobs. I'm hoping that SE will take this oppurtunity to make these jobs alittle more well rounded then other jobs in the past. They always talk about how they want to player base to mess around with subjobs and find one they like, but they design the jobs to narrowminded that only a few subs can be used and still be effective.

I'm going Pup/Drg and jumping on everything. AND OMG 2 PETS AT ONCE!!! Pup/Drg is the new Drg/Smn!

Eh debateable still. The accuracy of BLU physical attacks is determined by your TP and the accuracy of the weapon according to Square. So... having /WAR and a Ridill or /NIN and two swords may be more effective, but we'll see.

[Kenai]

It would be extremely retarded to show a COR using Detonator in a promo shot and then not have them be able to use it themselves. There is no way a job that uses a gun so much would need to sub a job that's good with a gun to be good with a gun itself.

That, and COR is NOT a DD job. It will not do damage like a RNG does damage, unless we were lied to in the interview. There might very well be a new set of guns for COR only. Just because a BRD can use Evisceration or however you spell it doesn't make them a DD on par with a THF. Get that DD COR out of your head now, before you learn the hard way.

[BlackSkye]

BLU/ (WAR, WHM, BLM) according to role... I am assuming equipping X ability adds those stats next to it in the dats... so

Equip all VIT abilitys, sub WAR -> Tank
Equip all STR abilitys, sub WAR -> Meele damage
Equip all INT abilitys, sub BLM -> Magic Damage
Equip all +MP abilitys, sub WHM -> Main Healer


COR/ (RNG, WAR) I recall seeing COR use Slug Shot in one video/screenshot so I assume its 2nd role besides buffing PT members is damage.

RNG for sharpshot, acc bonus, all those things to make bullets land better
WAR for Zerk etc, all the other stuff meeles like, though I doubt they will be standing next to the mob


PUP/ (WAR, MNK) Video shows PUP has no innate MP.

Therefor I can only assume it will be additional meele damage to supplement the puppets damage and/or support. MNK sub if the martial traits it gets are too slow, and WAR sub to increase damage, especially after L50.

If the puppet is strong enough, it seems it also might be a viable tank for solo play, while you the Master deal damage.

WHM sub just seems uh... wierd on PUP I guess... its almost like WAR/WHM and all those other wierd combos that doesn't seem to enhance the job at all... though BRD/WHM works nice, mostly due to the fact thier meele damage on ITs doesn't exist... along with the fact they wouldnt have a ton of time to meele with the long song cast times... and I beleive PUP will be able to do some damage, at least.

[Zetah]

It would be extremely retarded to show a COR using Detonator in a promo shot and then not have them be able to use it themselves. There is no way a job that uses a gun so much would need to sub a job that's good with a gun to be good with a gun itself.

That, and COR is NOT a DD job. It will not do damage like a RNG does damage, unless we were lied to in the interview. There might very well be a new set of guns for COR only. Just because a BRD can use Evisceration or however you spell it doesn't make them a DD on par with a THF. Get that DD COR out of your head now, before you learn the hard way.

Oh, Corsair was shown using Detonator? I didn't notice. However, there's jobs such as BRD and RDM that can use Evisceration, but cannot use Dancing Edge or Shark Bite. So I'm concerned Corsair can't use Slug Shot or Heavy Shot. :\

[Eaglestrike]

Oh, Corsair was shown using Detonator? I didn't notice. However, there's jobs such as BRD and RDM that can use Evisceration, but cannot use Dancing Edge or Shark Bite. So I'm concerned Corsair can't use Slug Shot or Heavy Shot. :\

They'll get Slug, just not Blast and Heavy. All you need for Slug is /rng, not RNG/

[Reality]

Oh, Corsair was shown using Detonator? I didn't notice. However, there's jobs such as BRD and RDM that can use Evisceration, but cannot use Dancing Edge or Shark Bite. So I'm concerned Corsair can't use Slug Shot or Heavy Shot. :\

slugshot is available to any job that has the appropriate skill in marksmanship (175), the only other requirement would be that they need to sub RNG, or be RNG main

meaning:

NIN, THF, WAR can use slugshot, and possibly corsair with RNG subjob

[Xavier]

heavy shot rofl

[Zetah]

Right, but I don't want to sub RNG on Corsair, lol. Would rather sub something else, that and my RNG is level 8 because I hate RNG. Gonna suck for me I guess if RNG sub is required for Corsair to use it. Their main weapon seems to be a gun though, unlike other jobs that can use slug shot if you sub it, so who knows.

[Kenai]

It would be extremely retarded to show a COR using Detonator in a promo shot and then not have them be able to use it themselves. There is no way a job that uses a gun so much would need to sub a job that's good with a gun to be good with a gun itself.

That, and COR is NOT a DD job. It will not do damage like a RNG does damage, unless we were lied to in the interview. There might very well be a new set of guns for COR only. Just because a BRD can use Evisceration or however you spell it doesn't make them a DD on par with a THF. Get that DD COR out of your head now, before you learn the hard way.

Oh, Corsair was shown using Detonator? I didn't notice. However, there's jobs such as BRD and RDM that can use Evisceration, but cannot use Dancing Edge or Shark Bite. So I'm concerned Corsair can't use Slug Shot or Heavy Shot. :\

It wouldn't surprise me if Slug and Heavy Shot were RNG only, or if COR got one or two new gun WS for themselves only. But I definitely saw that screenie of the COR using Detonator, been around since they first revealed the job(someone else can post it, I'm lazy, but it should not be hard to find).

And stop saying COR is damage, people, PLEASE READ THE INTERVIEWS . RNG = damage. COR = support. RNG have been bitching enough since the nerf as it is, and I'm sure SE knows that too.

And please stop saying that COR needs to sub RNG to use Gun WS! Why the hell would you think that they couldn't use them without subbing RNG? They use guns a lot...seems...you know...stupid to think that? Even though they might...since I don't KNOW...

[further]

It wouldn't surprise me if Slug and Heavy Shot were RNG only.....


....And stop saying COR is damage, people, PLEASE READ THE INTERVIEWS . RNG = damage. COR = support. RNG have been bitching enough since the nerf as it is, and I'm sure SE knows that too.

Of course COR won't be able to use Slugshot if they are support role only...

[Zetah]

It would be extremely retarded to show a COR using Detonator in a promo shot and then not have them be able to use it themselves. There is no way a job that uses a gun so much would need to sub a job that's good with a gun to be good with a gun itself.

That, and COR is NOT a DD job. It will not do damage like a RNG does damage, unless we were lied to in the interview. There might very well be a new set of guns for COR only. Just because a BRD can use Evisceration or however you spell it doesn't make them a DD on par with a THF. Get that DD COR out of your head now, before you learn the hard way.

Oh, Corsair was shown using Detonator? I didn't notice. However, there's jobs such as BRD and RDM that can use Evisceration, but cannot use Dancing Edge or Shark Bite. So I'm concerned Corsair can't use Slug Shot or Heavy Shot. :\

It wouldn't surprise me if Slug and Heavy Shot were RNG only, or if COR got one or two new gun WS for themselves only. But I definitely saw that screenie of the COR using Detonator, been around since they first revealed the job(someone else can post it, I'm lazy, but it should not be hard to find).

And stop saying COR is damage, people, PLEASE READ THE INTERVIEWS . RNG = damage. COR = support. RNG have been bitching enough since the nerf as it is, and I'm sure SE knows that too.

Hehe, that's why I'm saying I don't want to sub RNG. I'd rather sub WHM. I imagine Corsair to have a little bit of idle time in exp inbetween their rolls, so would be kind of nice to put in a couple of shots here and there.

[Volken]

It would be extremely retarded to show a COR using Detonator in a promo shot and then not have them be able to use it themselves. There is no way a job that uses a gun so much would need to sub a job that's good with a gun to be good with a gun itself.

That, and COR is NOT a DD job. It will not do damage like a RNG does damage, unless we were lied to in the interview. There might very well be a new set of guns for COR only. Just because a BRD can use Evisceration or however you spell it doesn't make them a DD on par with a THF. Get that DD COR out of your head now, before you learn the hard way.

Oh, Corsair was shown using Detonator? I didn't notice. However, there's jobs such as BRD and RDM that can use Evisceration, but cannot use Dancing Edge or Shark Bite. So I'm concerned Corsair can't use Slug Shot or Heavy Shot. :\

It wouldn't surprise me if Slug and Heavy Shot were RNG only, or if COR got one or two new gun WS for themselves only. But I definitely saw that screenie of the COR using Detonator, been around since they first revealed the job(someone else can post it, I'm lazy, but it should not be hard to find).

And stop saying COR is damage, people, PLEASE READ THE INTERVIEWS . RNG = damage. COR = support. RNG have been bitching enough since the nerf as it is, and I'm sure SE knows that too.

And please stop saying that COR needs to sub RNG to use Gun WS! Why the hell would you think that they couldn't use them without subbing RNG? They use guns a lot...seems...you know...stupid to think that? Even though they might...since I don't KNOW...

Yeah guys stop discussing things you noobs!

Shut the fuck up Kenai

[netz]

Oh, Corsair was shown using Detonator? I didn't notice. However, there's jobs such as BRD and RDM that can use Evisceration, but cannot use Dancing Edge or Shark Bite. So I'm concerned Corsair can't use Slug Shot or Heavy Shot. :\

I think it's a safe bet that if a Corsair was seen using Detonator, that COR will be added to the marksmanship EX designation, allowing subbed/main usage of at least everything up to Slug. Even if they weren't, they could still sub RNG to gain all of those skills, like samurai have occasionally been known to do. I don't think Detonator is flagged SP, so whether or not COR is also flagged SP determines only whether they can use Heavy Shot. I could see that not happening since Square seems picky about support jobs getting high level skillchain WS before they're 75, 'cept for white mage. Maybe it could happen.

On that note, I really wish they'd give jobs better/more accessible gravitation WS at the 225 skill range.

[Kenai]

It would be extremely retarded to show a COR using Detonator in a promo shot and then not have them be able to use it themselves. There is no way a job that uses a gun so much would need to sub a job that's good with a gun to be good with a gun itself.

That, and COR is NOT a DD job. It will not do damage like a RNG does damage, unless we were lied to in the interview. There might very well be a new set of guns for COR only. Just because a BRD can use Evisceration or however you spell it doesn't make them a DD on par with a THF. Get that DD COR out of your head now, before you learn the hard way.

Oh, Corsair was shown using Detonator? I didn't notice. However, there's jobs such as BRD and RDM that can use Evisceration, but cannot use Dancing Edge or Shark Bite. So I'm concerned Corsair can't use Slug Shot or Heavy Shot. :\

It wouldn't surprise me if Slug and Heavy Shot were RNG only, or if COR got one or two new gun WS for themselves only. But I definitely saw that screenie of the COR using Detonator, been around since they first revealed the job(someone else can post it, I'm lazy, but it should not be hard to find).

And stop saying COR is damage, people, PLEASE READ THE INTERVIEWS . RNG = damage. COR = support. RNG have been bitching enough since the nerf as it is, and I'm sure SE knows that too.

And please stop saying that COR needs to sub RNG to use Gun WS! Why the hell would you think that they couldn't use them without subbing RNG? They use guns a lot...seems...you know...stupid to think that? Even though they might...since I don't KNOW...

Yeah guys stop discussing things you noobs!

Shut the fuck up Kenai

Never!

I don't want people to stop discussing anything...but I'm just...y know...wondering why anyone would think a job that uses a gun so much would need to sub RNG to use a Gun WS.

I don't get it.

[Demetrios]

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[Toth]

Hi all. Long time lurker, first time poster. Just a quick mage question:

Does Evoker's Roll mean that Corsairs can now give Refresh bonuses to a party ala a bard and red mage? Futhermore, with a SMN in the party, that does mean the effect may be enhanced for all? If so, then COR would definately help lessen the strain on party leaders trying to fine a solid support job when no brds or rdms are looking

[beastmaster]

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