Update Notes

[Quicklet]

Hi all. Long time lurker, first time poster. Just a quick mage question:

Does Evoker's Roll mean that Corsairs can now give Refresh bonuses to a party ala a bard and red mage? Futhermore, with a SMN in the party, that does mean the effect may be enhanced for all? If so, then COR would definately help lessen the strain on party leaders trying to fine a solid support job when no brds or rdms are looking

I don't remember the tentative list posted about some examples of what the different rolls would do, but I'm sure it'll be in the game data once people get the patch.

[Hyjynx]

It would be wierd for corsair not to get slugshot. Up till this point I think any job with enough skill can get it. I dunno if they would disclude corsair.

That said, the fact that corsairs might have slugshot doesnt mean they will do as much damage as a rng would with it. I guess we just have to wait and see.

[Teffie]

It would be extremely retarded to show a COR using Detonator in a promo shot and then not have them be able to use it themselves. There is no way a job that uses a gun so much would need to sub a job that's good with a gun to be good with a gun itself.

That, and COR is NOT a DD job. It will not do damage like a RNG does damage, unless we were lied to in the interview. There might very well be a new set of guns for COR only. Just because a BRD can use Evisceration or however you spell it doesn't make them a DD on par with a THF. Get that DD COR out of your head now, before you learn the hard way.

Oh, Corsair was shown using Detonator? I didn't notice. However, there's jobs such as BRD and RDM that can use Evisceration, but cannot use Dancing Edge or Shark Bite. So I'm concerned Corsair can't use Slug Shot or Heavy Shot. :\

It wouldn't surprise me if Slug and Heavy Shot were RNG only, or if COR got one or two new gun WS for themselves only. But I definitely saw that screenie of the COR using Detonator, been around since they first revealed the job(someone else can post it, I'm lazy, but it should not be hard to find).

And stop saying COR is damage, people, PLEASE READ THE INTERVIEWS . RNG = damage. COR = support. RNG have been bitching enough since the nerf as it is, and I'm sure SE knows that too.

Hehe, that's why I'm saying I don't want to sub RNG. I'd rather sub WHM. I imagine Corsair to have a little bit of idle time in exp inbetween their rolls, so would be kind of nice to put in a couple of shots here and there.

Hate to burst your bubble Zet, but I think COR is going to have ALOT of idle time in between Rolls. The main reason BRD's sub WHM (apart from the fact that they have the Stats and Combat skills of a lv.50 WHM) is because BRD's are VERY Busy casting multiple songs in a fight, with enough time to throw in 1-2 white mage spells to help out a little. In a really good PT a BRD probably doesnt even need to cast white magic at all.

Phantom Roll is an instant cast skill, with what appears to be a very low cool-down (5-10 seconds). What are they going to do during the inbetween time? Deal some Damage of course! Quick Shots and Ranged Attacks seem to be their other form action in a PT. This is why most people think COR should sub RNG or WAR, Increases Accuracy+Sharpshot+Higher Overall Stats+Barrage.

WTF with the People comparing GUN to DAGGERS? Like seriously, using the "BRD can use Evisceration and suck" analogy to compare it to Marksmanship is so stupid. Ever seen a THF without SA/TA use Eviseration? Yea that sucks just as hard as a BRD doing it. Guns dish out alot of damage compared to other weapons. So even if COR has low stats, they should still be able to dish out Mediocre Range Damage because the High DMG Guns balances out with their Low Overall Stats.

[Wizerd]

I bet the refresh roll for COR corresponds to PLD now, since they have Auto Refresh.

[further]

It would be wierd for corsair not to get slugshot. Up till this point I think any job with enough skill can get it.

Wrong. RNG or /RNG onry.

[Toth]

I would think the PLD roll would be defense bonus related but we will know soon enough.

[GRT]

It would be wierd for corsair not to get slugshot. Up till this point I think any job with enough skill can get it. I dunno if they would disclude corsair.

correction: any job with enough skill PLUS SJ RNG can get it, the question here is whether or not COR can get it without SJ RNG

[Faranim]

If I am reading this correctly, BLU can re-assign their spell points anywhere? And the only penalty is a 1-minute timer which they can't cast spells?

[Hyjynx]

So even if COR has low stats, they should still be able to dish out Mediocre Range Damage because the High DMG Guns balances out with their Low Overall Stats.

qft

I agree... I doubt corsairs will be OMGLOLWTFPWN damage dealers, gun or not, but I do think they will be able to do decent enough damage to help the party in more ways than one.

[beastmaster]

If I am reading this correctly, BLU can re-assign their spell points anywhere? And the only penalty is a 1-minute timer which they can't cast spells?

i think

alot better then setting them in MH which was what most people thought

[Wizerd]

If I am reading this correctly, BLU can re-assign their spell points anywhere? And the only penalty is a 1-minute timer which they can't cast spells?

Yar.. That sounds right.

Also, I think SE would give PLD the refresh enhancement one to make them more attractive to exp with. Though SMN needs that boost before 70, too.

[Hyjynx]

It would be wierd for corsair not to get slugshot. Up till this point I think any job with enough skill can get it.

Wrong. RNG or /RNG onry.

/brain fart... lol yah forgot.

[Solefald]

I hope the TP change addresses the weaknesses of using 2h weapons

If I am reading this correctly, BLU can re-assign their spell points anywhere? And the only penalty is a 1-minute timer which they can't cast spells?

I noticed that too, if true BLU will probably be one of the most overpowered jobs in the game

[further]

So even if COR has low stats, they should still be able to dish out Mediocre Range Damage because the High DMG Guns balances out with their Low Overall Stats.

qft

I agree... I doubt corsairs will be OMGLOLWTFPWN damage dealers, gun or not, but I do think they will be able to do decent enough damage to help the party in more ways than one.

To me it sounded like the gun isn't really used like a gun. That it is used to buff and debuff, not as a DD weapon, right? I totally half-ass read the update notes but this was the feeling I got from it... It did not sound like the "gun" would be used to deal damage from what I read..?

[Zetah]

It would be extremely retarded to show a COR using Detonator in a promo shot and then not have them be able to use it themselves. There is no way a job that uses a gun so much would need to sub a job that's good with a gun to be good with a gun itself.

That, and COR is NOT a DD job. It will not do damage like a RNG does damage, unless we were lied to in the interview. There might very well be a new set of guns for COR only. Just because a BRD can use Evisceration or however you spell it doesn't make them a DD on par with a THF. Get that DD COR out of your head now, before you learn the hard way.

Oh, Corsair was shown using Detonator? I didn't notice. However, there's jobs such as BRD and RDM that can use Evisceration, but cannot use Dancing Edge or Shark Bite. So I'm concerned Corsair can't use Slug Shot or Heavy Shot. :\

It wouldn't surprise me if Slug and Heavy Shot were RNG only, or if COR got one or two new gun WS for themselves only. But I definitely saw that screenie of the COR using Detonator, been around since they first revealed the job(someone else can post it, I'm lazy, but it should not be hard to find).

And stop saying COR is damage, people, PLEASE READ THE INTERVIEWS . RNG = damage. COR = support. RNG have been bitching enough since the nerf as it is, and I'm sure SE knows that too.

Hehe, that's why I'm saying I don't want to sub RNG. I'd rather sub WHM. I imagine Corsair to have a little bit of idle time in exp inbetween their rolls, so would be kind of nice to put in a couple of shots here and there.

Hate to burst your bubble Zet, but I think COR is going to have ALOT of idle time in between Rolls. The main reason BRD's sub WHM (apart from the fact that they have the Stats and Combat skills of a lv.50 WHM) is because BRD's are VERY Busy casting multiple songs in a fight, with enough time to throw in 1-2 white mage spells to help out a little. In a really good PT a BRD probably doesnt even need to cast white magic at all.

Phantom Roll is an instant cast skill, with what appears to be a very low cool-down (5-10 seconds). What are they going to do during the inbetween time? Deal some Damage of course! Quick Shots and Ranged Attacks seem to be their other form action in a PT. This is why most people think COR should sub RNG or WAR, Increases Accuracy+Sharpshot+Higher Overall Stats+Barrage.

WTF with the People comparing GUN to DAGGERS? Like seriously, using the "BRD can use Evisceration and suck" analogy to compare it to Marksmanship is so stupid. Ever seen a THF without SA/TA use Eviseration? Yea that sucks just as hard as a BRD doing it. Guns dish out alot of damage compared to other weapons. So even if COR has low stats, they should still be able to dish out Mediocre Range Damage because the High DMG Guns balances out with their Low Overall Stats.

I think you took the "little bit of idle time" too literal, focusing on the word little. When I said that, I was saying that Corsair is going to have idle time. I figured that would lead you to catch onto that, when I mentioned that I'd get to shoot for damage in the mean time after rolls.

Damage is irrelevant. I'm talking about the availability of weaponskills, and what weaponskills are available to certain jobs. If Slugshot isn't available, well shit, going to have to level that 8 RNG I guess. If Slugshot is available via Corsair main...then...I can sub warrior, but I lack out on sharpshot and barrage. I'd really prefer subbing WHM or WAR depending on the type of fight I'm in, though. I've hated RNG because it was too powerful, and I don't like it now because it's not as great as other jobs are now. Really need this patch to come on up.

[Someonher]

Did anyone notice the ToA site was updated? ;x

Hmm, it hasn't been updated that recently. It's still the same info for the past few days at least.

[Tape]

It would be wierd for corsair not to get slugshot. Up till this point I think any job with enough skill can get it.

Wrong. RNG or /RNG onry.

/brain fart... lol yah forgot.

You are thinking too linear. Corsair is a whole new job with a whole new weapon. Whats to say it won't get it's own badass WS... pistol whip!

And on that note... do we know for sure they added Pistols? Or will they just be smaller guns? If it's pistol then I would imagine a whole new set of WS and job specific stats on those weapons dependent on what a Corsair needs to boost his luck. I'm guessing Chr like Bards but who knows.

I WANT TO SEE AN UPDATED PIC OF A OSODE!!! please dear God have PUP on it.

[Arc07]

I noticed that too, if true BLU will probably be one of the most overpowered jobs in the game

I agree with this. But you notice that you have a maximum amount of blue magic points to use at a certain level. I'm certain things like 1000 Needles, Radient Breath, Diseverment, and the rest of the really powerful blue magics will cost a ridiculous amount of points to use. But just a 1 minute timer on the "weakness" is just amazing.

[Hyjynx]

I noticed that too, if true BLU will probably be one of the most overpowered jobs in the game

I dont think so, blu can only have 20 spells active max and a lot less in lower levels. On top of that, each time you set a spell you need to wait 1 minute before you can actually use it.
The number of spells + the cooldown balances it in my eyes. If you had to go to your MH to set spells... Imagine the nightmare of entering a level capped area....


Tape:
I dont think "luck" will be a stat to be boosted
It will be good ole' luck of the draw... same luck you have in vegas or playing the lottery. Good ole' random screw you in the ass every time luck.

[layoneil]

don't forget, BRD's highest skill is B- dagger, if COR has B- Marksmanship they can try to do damage but meh.

and you have to consider the kinds of bullets and guns they can use. like some jobs can't even equip Holy Bolts, so who knows what the highest damage a COR can get out of Slugshot whether they get it with or without /RNG.