Update Notes

[Khamsin]

BLU curing with their MP is like a WAR curing with his TP. It's possible that the system is nothing we think it is, but it's most like the system everyone thinks it is. BLM, SMN, and all that can use cure just fine because they have almost unlimited MP thanks to resting. BLU doesn't have that. They are a melee job.

Where did you get the idea that BLU won't rest? They're a mage job, they use MP, they rest with their pluto staff, they'll never have TP other than what they got since they last rest.

You seem to be confusing BLU with something like a PLD or DRK. BLUs are mages with a mage's MP pool and probably Clear Mind.. not a melee with a little MP that relies on refresh.

Avatar nukes do more damage with TP, too, yet you don't see SMNs leaving their avatar out just to get TP for the MB. In fact, TP won't even affect BLU magic outside of the "Chain Affinity" job ability, as stated in the patch notes. And even then, TP increases the accuracy/damage but is not required.. much like avatar nukes.

There's absolutely no reason to sub a melee job to BLU, as its been described so far, unless stats like STR or DEX can affect the strength of some BLU magic. And even if that's the case, the most stat bonuses you get from subs are like +3 or so, and those are easily obtained off other miscellaneous pieces of equipment. Choose your sub for the extra abilities (such as status curing, etc.) and not the stats. Berserk, Provoke, Utsusemi, SATA, etc. won't help BLU one bit since they aren't tanks, and their main damage would be BLU magic, not regular melee hits.

[FFXIFlux]

Let's take 1 simple example:
Everyone receives a CoP ring after completing the missions. These rings are much better than any ring I can make. To everyone else, this is the best thing to ever happen to their job. To me, this represents four levels of rings I can't sell to that person (36, 54, 72, 74).

The only thing more stupid than your whineing is your example. Heaven forbid someone can get something without having to make your retarded ass richer! Every time someone levels a craft on the server they cut out more of your market than adding a few more EX items ever will, and it's not like we don't see new craftable shit every fucking patch. They need to GET RID of some of it, we don't need 800000 different types of food, 95% of it is never made to begin with.

[Toth]

Very true Wizerd. Coveresely, make the rare/ex item comparable but a bit harder to obtain.

I am going to go on a limb here and spectulate that all these new mage and melee set pieces are going to be purchased using Imperial points. Therefore, the more you do Assault and Besieged, the more of these pieces you can buy. That way, there won't be a monopoly and people who do this actively will have nice rewards to show for it.

[Miji]

Miji, some of us don't have the gil to buy all these expensive crafted items. Plus, it makes the items more challenging and rewarding to obtain. There are still many craftable items like Snow Rings that are still needed regardless of what new gear is added. Just offering a perspective from someone who cant afford to spend so much on crafted items.

Tamas Ring = everyone with 2 snow rings selling one of them = no real chance of ever crafting and selling one for a long time. Same applies to Rajas Ring. Again, this is just an example from one craft. I know this spreads out across other crafts. It's perfectly fine that some people can't afford them (NQ versions are definitely affordable); catering to people with little/no source of income at the expense of others just doesn't make sense.

[Ichthyos]

Not everyone in the game has completed CoP. Not everyone in the game plays only mage, DD, or tank, and not a combination of all three. Quit whining, people still buy your rings.

[BlackSkye]

You have to also figure how many ppl are actually GOING to get a Tamas, Rajas etc, of all that EX gear....

Those rings are getting common now but i would still say less than 20% of ppl with a 75 job have them on any given server... Sell your rings to the other 80% that haven't gotten one, or are unable/don't want to do CoP missions...

Most EX stuff is like that... theres far more people without it, than with... sell to those people.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Same applies to Rajas Ring. .

DRKs still carry 2 flame rings for WSes. Int mod ftw

[Wizerd]

Very true Wizerd. Coveresely, make the rare/ex item comparable but a bit harder to obtain.

I am going to go on a limb here and spectulate that all these new mage and melee set pieces are going to be purchased using Imperial points. Therefore, the more you do Assault and Besieged, the more of these pieces you can buy. That way, there won't be a monopoly and people who do this actively will have nice rewards to show for it.

That as an Assault reward set would be fucking hot.

[Miji]

So Goldsmithers don't have the monopoly on ring slots anymore, big whoop. Theres always a 2nd ring slot and other jobs you level that DON'T want to use the CoP ring you picked. Not to mention Heavenly and Triumph earring and various other equipment. Quitcherbitchin and look at smithing, 89+2 here and its hard to get me to want to level it any more looking at the hell for the next 11 levels with very bleak propositions at the end. I'll probably do it someday, but I sure as hell am not spending the money I could be spending on black gear on that.

You better believe goldsmithers want the monopoly on ring slots for the very same reason you want the monopoly on heavy gear and certain weapons as a smither. You shouldn't have even brought up earrings, I can give you a few examples of earrings people are wearing instead of both of those (take a look at available earrings before citing the most overrun area of goldsmithing, courtesy of the last two expansions). You reinforce my post's purpose when you say all you see that the end are bleak propositions by finishing off your craft.

[Krandor]

Same applies to Rajas Ring. .

DRKs still carry 2 flame rings for WSes. Int mod ftw

But the MND weakens your Guillotine!!!!!1

Every DRK I know sold their 2nd Flame Ring once they got Rajas. 2 INT adds so little to your WS that it's not worth the inventory space or the gil.

[Wizerd]

Not everyone in the game has completed CoP. Not everyone in the game plays only mage, DD, or tank, and not a combination of all three. Quit whining, people still buy your rings.

Well, the way he was describing it was that for every person who goes to buy a ring, there is someone who just finished CoP and is selling theirs, probably undercutting. That's not quite realistic, there are probably 3 people buying for every one selling.. until the lv74 ring set, then it probably moves to 2:1. It still cuts down on his market a ton, though.

[Toralyn]

I'd rather people need to KILL THINGS to get that awesome gear, rather than rmt everything and still be amazingly well equipped. Sorry, but endgame rare/ex stuff should be better than crafted items.

If by "KILL THINGS" you mean waiting 3 hours just to see the best bot take a claim (because nothing is hard to kill, really), then I'd rather craft for gil and buy a piece of gear that is at the very least somewhat competitive with botted king gear.

With respect to limbus and dynamis, that can hardly be considered making big kills to get gear that in some cases crafted goods can't come close to. Unless of course you're talking about a shadow mantle/ring, which of course is different from killing that big, nasty "Vanguard Minstrel."

Then you have nothing to worry about as long as you're in FH, since you all still have the top 2 NA botters.

As for your bitching about no one buying your rings? Quit charging 200-500k more than the AH and other people on your Flame/Snow/etc rings in Rolanberry and they might actually sell faster.

Douche.

[Maxxthepenguin]

So Goldsmithers don't have the monopoly on ring slots anymore, big whoop. Theres always a 2nd ring slot and other jobs you level that DON'T want to use the CoP ring you picked. Not to mention Heavenly and Triumph earring and various other equipment. Quitcherbitchin and look at smithing, 89+2 here and its hard to get me to want to level it any more looking at the hell for the next 11 levels with very bleak propositions at the end. I'll probably do it someday, but I sure as hell am not spending the money I could be spending on black gear on that.

You better believe goldsmithers want the monopoly on ring slots for the very same reason you want the monopoly on heavy gear and certain weapons as a smither. You shouldn't have even brought up earrings, I can give you a few examples of earrings people are wearing instead of both of those (take a look at available earrings before citing the most overrun area of goldsmithing, courtesy of the last two expansions). You reinforce my post's purpose when you say all you see that the end are bleak propositions by finishing off your craft.

Yes its bleak but I STILL prefer rare/ex for the entire game's sake rather then just my own. The best system is abj/crafted pop items IMO since it supports everything at once.
Oh and you having a monopoly on ring slots compared to a monopoly on thick armor is an awful comparison. We're talking about an entire slot here. Smithies don't hold a monopoly on body slot, not even close. No alchemist, woodworker, blacksmith, or even a bonecrafter or leathercrafter anymore can touch the ring slot. Sorry but its just silly to expect to own the market on a slot. Goldsmithing has a LOT of other good synths anyways. You aren't ringcrafters, you're goldsmithers.

[rahskala]

It would be extremely retarded to show a COR using Detonator in a promo shot and then not have them be able to use it themselves. There is no way a job that uses a gun so much would need to sub a job that's good with a gun to be good with a gun itself.

It's happened before. Remember those pre-release CoP screenshots that showed people running around Pho<tab> Aqueducts and Riverne with full AF?

[Navia]

So what exactly is the main problem here Miji, people aren't lining up to buy your stuff or what? You say crafting is getting marginalized, I really don't think thats a bad idea anymore based on how many RMT crafters are cranking shit out 24/7 never moving an inch from the AH.

I love crafting myself but the game would probably be dead if there was not a fair amount of quest/hnm/god/dynamis drops that equal or surpass what can be crafted.

People don't want their in game accomplishments to be equated with the size of their gil balance (or RL bank account) so fucking get over it.

[aurik]

Actually, other than rings, Goldsmithing has piss-poor volume craft options.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Actually, other than rings, Goldsmithing has piss-poor volume craft options.

And this isn't true for Cloth, Leather, Blacksmithing, and Bone? Gawd.

[Amara]

If by "KILL THINGS" you mean waiting 3 hours just to see the best bot take a claim (because nothing is hard to kill, really), then I'd rather craft for gil and buy a piece of gear that is at the very least somewhat competitive with botted king gear.

With respect to limbus and dynamis, that can hardly be considered making big kills to get gear that in some cases crafted goods can't come close to. Unless of course you're talking about a shadow mantle/ring, which of course is different from killing that big, nasty "Vanguard Minstrel."

I'm sorry you don't wanna deal with the botting, I don't think anyone likes it. But to me its silly if someone can be better equipped by going to the auction house instead of getting thier gear from endgame content. There is not alot of motivation to keep playing a game where everything you want, can be bought. That being said, alot of the time buyable stuff is better than ra/ex things, dusk hands/feet, whm jse, etc. And even if there is rare/ex stuff better than it, it doesn't matter, not everyone can get it, and most people have to settle for what is buyable.

[Navia]

Actually, other than rings, Goldsmithing has piss-poor volume craft options.

And this isn't true for Cloth, Leather, Blacksmithing, and Bone? Gawd.

We have gilsellers that just make various cloth squares/leathers/ingots/sheets/chains all day . Nobody wants to do the 'hard work' subcombining, they just want to make the sexy HQ endproduct with their name on it to make gil.

[Miji]

I'd rather people need to KILL THINGS to get that awesome gear, rather than rmt everything and still be amazingly well equipped. Sorry, but endgame rare/ex stuff should be better than crafted items.

If by "KILL THINGS" you mean waiting 3 hours just to see the best bot take a claim (because nothing is hard to kill, really), then I'd rather craft for gil and buy a piece of gear that is at the very least somewhat competitive with botted king gear.

With respect to limbus and dynamis, that can hardly be considered making big kills to get gear that in some cases crafted goods can't come close to. Unless of course you're talking about a shadow mantle/ring, which of course is different from killing that big, nasty "Vanguard Minstrel."

Then you have nothing to worry about as long as you're in FH, since you all still have the top 2 NA botters.

As for your bitching about no one buying your rings? Quit charging 200-500k more than the AH and other people on your Flame/Snow/etc rings in Rolanberry and they might actually sell faster.

Douche.

We claim so little nowadays that you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. So little I can't imagine who you're talking about. Hell, I'd go as far to say that the last Fafnir we claimed on pop was before your claim/hand-off/wipe/Ridill drop Fafnir to secure your spot in your new linkshell and claim the love of an online girl. Enough said.

The rings look overpriced because they get undercut so often in the auction house that I can't keep up with the prices in my bazaar. Choose not to speak on economic issues while you woodwork IRL; leave this one to the rest of us, thinking is not your strong point.