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[Septimus]

[quote=Not Kuno]

You must have real problems if you can't get 18 people of ideal jobs at limbus imo. Theres a refresher for the tanks, one for the blms, maybe a bard or two for the tanks and some bards and whm for the melee pt. Thats at least 5 paralynas. Assuming you dont have more brd and rdm.

...not every LS is the epitome of perfection with every member having 4+ level 75 jobs. The benefits of BLM subbing WHM in this situation are greater than RDM. Sorry, its not all about your epeen.

You're just like an A-Bomb. Here we are, talking having a good time and then you come along. BOOM. Everything's dead.[/quote:f15b0]

I am laughing so hard that I am crying.

[epigram]

NW BLM/RDM + RDM/BRD, 25-30 coins every 3 days

Put that on your scythe and smoke it

Oh yeah mnk/pld ftw. High mnd + flash + autofrefresh + undead killer + nice str.

[Raineer]

Typically, as I've said before, the rdms need to sub blm for sleepga (because we don't have enough nonsuicidal blms) and we only get a few people who fill a straight curing role.

To expand on this, I think RDM/WHM is the perfect status cure whore (i actually love subbing WHM for that and curaga) but i can't becaaaaaaaaaause:

Sleepga! I don't think BLM should be there for crowd control, this is one point where I will say "a BLM is for damage and not support". BLM's have almost no survivability against multiple mobs, and even the good ones that do know how to deal with holding 4-5 mobs...that's exactly when you need BLM the most to nuke targets and get them dead fast, not worry about keeping shit asleep.

Added to this is the fact that RDM has higher enfeeble skill, and anyone that understand the mechanics of crowd control understands that sleepga 2 is the spell of the fucking devil. Nothing like 5 mobs all waking up at the same time with the same crunchy target. For people that say "tanks and melee should be voking adds", just again shows ignorance to how crowd control really works (i.e. unless you voke 5 seconds before it wakes up, it's still pissed at the BLM)

[aurik]

NW BLM/RDM + RDM/BRD, 25-30 coins every 3 days

Put that on your scythe and smoke it

Oh yeah mnk/pld ftw. High mnd + flash + autofrefresh + undead killer + nice str.

Can't buy Homam/Nashira with coins.

[Demetrios]

NW BLM/RDM + RDM/BRD, 25-30 coins every 3 days

Put that on your scythe and smoke it

Oh yeah mnk/pld ftw. High mnd + flash + autofrefresh + undead killer + nice str.

Can't buy Homam/Nashira with coins.

w

[epigram]

If you saw how crappy my gear was you would understand how little I care about my rdm

75 rdm:
4x NQ staves 1x Apollo's Staff
Brutal Earring + Morion Earring
Level 54 NQ MND rings lol (I also have a sanitation ring)
FULL AF1
Heirarch Belt
Spider Torque

Believe it or not I was once the best equiped NA rdm on my server

[Raineer]

If you saw how crappy my gear was you would understand how little I care about my rdm

75 rdm:
4x NQ staves 1x Apollo's Staff
Brutal Earring + Morion Earring
Level 54 NQ MND rings lol (I also have a sanitation ring)
FULL AF1
Heirarch Belt
Spider Torque

Believe it or not I was once the best equiped NA rdm on my server

You'd still be the best equipped JP RDM on siren... unless full dusk and pigeon earrings helps land debuffs, idk never tried

i'd still wear my defending ring fulltime

[epigram]

I've actually owned every dusk item but mask :/ Selling trousers right now.

[further]

My biggest problem is BLM's that REFUSE to level /WHM at all becuase they use the "i am a DD not a mage" excuse. Sorry if you are BLM75 and you don't have WHM37 then you are gimp, there's no other way to word it. Suck it up and get it done. You might have to sub /WHM once every 3 months, but it better fucking be available.

The biggest impact is seen in small groups in sea or the like, it's nice when tanks die b/c there is not enough -na's or an erase available just because you decide that you are a DD and nothing else.

"WHM to 37 is so hard ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;/emo", give me a fucking break... Every other job in the game has to level more than one sub (some like 5), I guess BLM needs to be the emo exception.

Again just like locke's post... if you know when to sub /rdm and when to sub /whm then this post doesn't apply to you. Yes /rdm is better in quite a majority of situations obviously, but not always and that's the point.

Chiming in late, but just wanted to say I totally agree with this post. RDM really isn't that great outside of soloing, but I tend to choose it as my default sub for events because I 99% of the time get to the event site early and am bored, so I end up killing things lol. In some cases though, I just suck it up and sub WHM because I know we will need it.

As far as having to paralyna/silena an entire alliance etc, maybe its because my past LS have all been BLM heavy, but usually very few people get hit with status ailments. Most know how to stay out of range, so that only 4 or 5 people need -na spells at a time, no big deal.

[FFXIFlux]

To expand on this, I think RDM/WHM is the perfect status cure whore (i actually love subbing WHM for that and curaga) but i can't becaaaaaaaaaause:

RDM give up a ton not subbing BLM and gain shit subbing WHM. Conserve MP is a huge boost in mana, not to mention aspir and drain. In weapon spam parties Aspir gives me more MP than refresh does, and Conserve MP saves me more MP than autorefresh gives. Then of course theres sleepga, warp, escape and tractor.

Added to this is the fact that RDM has higher enfeeble skill, and anyone that understand the mechanics of crowd control understands that sleepga 2 is the spell of the fucking devil. Nothing like 5 mobs all waking up at the same time with the same crunchy target. For people that say "tanks and melee should be voking adds", just again shows ignorance to how crowd control really works (i.e. unless you voke 5 seconds before it wakes up, it's still pissed at the BLM)

I'm not sure what makes you think RDM will survive 5 mobs that BLM can't. RDM blink is the same 2 hits that BLM is. Jeuno yesterday 441 defence, -35% damage, 25pt phalanx and a single goblin armourer was enough to give me a headache. 5 mobs at once would be utter rape.

[Raineer]

RDM give up a ton not subbing BLM and gain shit subbing WHM. Conserve MP is a huge boost in mana, not to mention aspir and drain. In weapon spam parties Aspir gives me more MP than refresh does, and Conserve MP saves me more MP than autorefresh gives. Then of course theres sleepga, warp, escape and tractor.

We're talking about Limbus and 'events', not talking about XP or meripo.

I'm not sure what makes you think RDM will survive 5 mobs that BLM can't. RDM blink is the same 2 hits that BLM is. Jeuno yesterday 441 defence, -35% damage, 25pt phalanx and a single goblin armourer was enough to give me a headache. 5 mobs at once would be utter rape.

Luckily RDM can take the time to stagger sleeps, bind, gravity, debuff, whatever. Could BLM do the same? ok sure.... However BLM could also be nuking the fuck out of mobs to actually eliminate them instead of wasting their time containing them.

I don't know how one mob can give you a headache, you're not very good at crowd control if that's the case.

[FFXIFlux]

RDM give up a ton not subbing BLM and gain shit subbing WHM. Conserve MP is a huge boost in mana, not to mention aspir and drain. In weapon spam parties Aspir gives me more MP than refresh does, and Conserve MP saves me more MP than autorefresh gives. Then of course theres sleepga, warp, escape and tractor.

We're talking about Limbus and 'events', not talking about XP or meripo.

Yeah... because aspir only works in XP parties, theres nothing in Limbus or Dynamis that has MP. I forgot.

Luckily RDM can take the time to stagger sleeps, bind, gravity, debuff, whatever. Could BLM do the same? ok sure.... However BLM could also be nuking the fuck out of mobs to actually eliminate them instead of wasting their time containing them.

You sir, are utterly clueless. If you think you can stagger bind and gravity to improve controling 5 mobs you have no idea how any of these spells work or how amazing stupid it would be to break a pack by binding and gravity some of them. And as for BLM, they CAN stagger because they have sleepga II which will overwrite sleepga.

I don't know how one mob can give you a headache, you're not very good at crowd control if that's the case.

I pity the LS you're with, I honestly do. Armourers are paladins. I'm sure that isn't enough of a hint for you so I'll spell it out. 3x Resist! messages from paladins will mean that, yes virginia, you have to bind the mob, you now have no sleep spells at your disposal and it's beaten on you for the last 10 seconds or so and left you with haveing to recast stoneskin, blink and heal yourself for added agro on all the mobs you've slept... and praying your bind or gravity holds long enough for another sleep to come up because you're now looking at about the time when that pack of mobs you sleepgaed are going to wake if your BLM are chicken and don't sleepga II them.

[aurik]

Sleepga2 is meh-tastic. Sure, everything stays asleep for a while, but instarape on wake sucks.

Sleepga + overwrite with staggered sleep2s from multiple sleepers ftw.

[Ish]

To expand on this, I think RDM/WHM is the perfect status cure whore (i actually love subbing WHM for that and curaga) but i can't becaaaaaaaaaause:

RDM give up a ton not subbing BLM and gain shit subbing WHM. Conserve MP is a huge boost in mana, not to mention aspir and drain. In weapon spam parties Aspir gives me more MP than refresh does, and Conserve MP saves me more MP than autorefresh gives. Then of course theres sleepga, warp, escape and tractor.

Added to this is the fact that RDM has higher enfeeble skill, and anyone that understand the mechanics of crowd control understands that sleepga 2 is the spell of the fucking devil. Nothing like 5 mobs all waking up at the same time with the same crunchy target. For people that say "tanks and melee should be voking adds", just again shows ignorance to how crowd control really works (i.e. unless you voke 5 seconds before it wakes up, it's still pissed at the BLM)

I'm not sure what makes you think RDM will survive 5 mobs that BLM can't. RDM blink is the same 2 hits that BLM is. Jeuno yesterday 441 defence, -35% damage, 25pt phalanx and a single goblin armourer was enough to give me a headache. 5 mobs at once would be utter rape.

Maybe it's because you are fucking abysmal at this game as your entire postcount has previously shown.

Who do you think sleeps the shit in Dynamis? RDMs. Who do you think sleeps it in Limbus? RDMs. Sure as shit ain't BRD or BLM, because those jobs are made of paper. And as to your /WHM comments, holy fuck. Subbing WHM situationally is a HUGE boost when doing smaller elite parties like Limbus (generally do runs with 6 people) and Uleguerand Range meripo. If I subbed BLM there, we'd never make it past chain 20.

Frankly conserve MP on RDM doesn't kick in often enough unless you chose Magnetic Earring (which I'll graciously assume you did) and Aspir only gives you back mp on mobs that have mp. Further Drain isn't helping the cause in meripo, that 21 mp is used to much greater effect elsewhere. Hell you shouldn't even really need to enfeeb other than DiaII. Sleepga I will grant you but Sleep and Sleep II are effective enough and you should have both macro'd stnpc to speedily switch targets to compensate for the lack of ga, which can get dangerous when they wake up. Tractor? Warp? Escape? hooo.....

/WHM gets you Erase (huge) along with NA spells, and Curaga which is a blessing vs sleepga mobs. The fastcast with -na spells actually does matter especially in Limbus (here I am thinking NE specifically) and Temenos (here I am thinking the one that starts with Enhanced Tigers).

Basically, Raineer is right, and for status cure whore RDM/WHM is amazing.

[Raineer]

You sir, are utterly clueless. If you think you can stagger bind and gravity to improve controling 5 mobs you have no idea how any of these spells work or how amazing stupid it would be to break a pack by binding and gravity some of them. And as for BLM, they CAN stagger because they have sleepga II which will overwrite sleepga.

You are the stupidest person ever conceived.

[Rhyse]

how about this one, a melee wishing to use a Rune weapon like the GA (with its insane +%haste) subbing PLD for the autorefresh as well as better stats from a sub than smn for doing the same thing

[Raineer]

how about this one, a melee wishing to use a Rune weapon like the GA (with its insane +%haste) subbing PLD for the autorefresh as well as better stats from a sub than smn for doing the same thing

More effective than BLM's who spam Sleepga II on any target that moves

HEY-OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[MikedeeFenrir]

and for status cure whore RDM/WHM is amazing.

Yes.

In KRT I have what feels like 0 wait time on -na spells.

[Septimus]

For Limbus or Dynamis someone has to give me some very good reasons to sub anything other than BLM. Being able to sleep a bunch of mobs at once even with a relatively weak Sleepga until something better can be applied is too good of an ability to lose.

Although it would just be better if Square were to give Red Mage innate access to Sleepga and Sleepga II. Giving Sleepga spells to BLMs and not RDMs is like giving making Flarega but only giving it to RDMs. (Woo! C+ skill!)

[Lockecole]

Luckily RDM can take the time to stagger sleeps, bind, gravity, debuff, whatever. Could BLM do the same? ok sure.... However BLM could also be nuking the fuck out of mobs to actually eliminate them instead of wasting their time containing them.

You sir, are utterly clueless. If you think you can stagger bind and gravity to improve controling 5 mobs you have no idea how any of these spells work or how amazing stupid it would be to break a pack by binding and gravity some of them. And as for BLM, they CAN stagger because they have sleepga II which will overwrite sleepga.

Hmmm utterly clueless, or just a hell of a lot better RDM then you'll ever be apparently. Considering Raineer is on my server, and I've seen what he can do I think I'll go with the latter.