/PLD

[Russta]

Does flash overwrite itself?

No, it doesn't.

[cassiraa]

hmm, Cover-monkey in HNM could be fun.

RDM has awesome damage mitigation [Phalanx, Stoneskin, Ice spikes, A- Enhancing, Aquaveil, Blink] If we had halfway decent equips/VIT, I could see using Cover to help out the PLD line for a few hits.

On something like Bahamut or Fafnir, one or two blinked hits could make the tank a lot happier, RDM Cover might actually be viable, Worth testing IMHO.

I think on the Zerg Rush issue, Chainspell Stun is more valuable than Chainspell Flash. But if your LS has extra RDMs lying around, you could do Both. Chainstun WHILE chainflashing. Also Flash works on stun-resistant mobs. Kirin, Ouryu, Ect. Not that they're excessively difficult, but with a little Divine skill, Flash might be pretty good.

Only thing is, Flash isn't the Perfect-Stick like Stun usually is, [a NIN/DRK can land stun, lol] So it'll require capped divine, and maybe even a Divine Torque and maybe earring to get RDM's piss-poor Divine skill to land anything.

oh, and Flash has the same "No Effect on" message as Stun, so Chainflash has to be timed properly.


Eh, seems gimicky, But maybe worth a shot if I'm bored at a Faf spawn or something. It's not gonna be the new best-way, But it might be viable.



~Cassiraa

[Raineer]

I tested RDM/PLD last night while doing a bit of NPC leveling, and found it to be very passable solo. Now, I was doing shield tests (Acheron Shield AF1 feet and Torque) as well but Vorpal Blade is a huge boost in addition to the Refresh effect, and the defense bonus isn't anything to be laughed at either.
I'm not sure about HNM potential for this, as I find all the related PLD bonuses now make your stoneskin really effective (and long lasting) but I do potentially see situations where Flashing in between PLD flashes could be helpful, and the added refresh being very helpful (4, 5 or 6 mp a tick is nothing to be laughed at when you've no brd [god help you]). Should there be mobs you can't stun that do 100 fists, ChainFlash could be extremely strategic.
I'd even be tempted to check out the tanking potential of RDM/PLD with things like Genbu's Shield, Crimson Body, Warwolf etc. etc. Hell you even get Cover. I don't think it's practical for everyday situations, but maybe you could use it to collect excess hate from PLDs when you're sitting in the BLM pt and doing only standard enfeebs/refresh.

Just some thoughts, please expand!

Could use Cover if you are playing refresh whore to the BLM party.

[Xavier]

Paladins getting a mage ability that mages cry for and would even sub the gimp ass SMN job for is FUCKING RETARDED. Paladins should not get a signature mage job ability. They're not a mage job.

They are a mage job. At the very least they're a hybrid mage/tank job. Thats what a paladin is. Thats what a paladin has been in every MMO so far. A paladin in and of itself is a knight who has learned to tap into some sort of divine power.

Your definition is wrong, and your anger moreso.

If you're using PLD/NIN tanks, paladins do more curing then a whm or rdm anyway, this'll just make it that much more absurd to watch how easy they hold hate.

[Shuemue]

Could use Cover if you are playing refresh whore to the BLM party.

That'd be really sexy assuming the BLM wasn't 1-shotted.

[aurik]

Could use Cover if you are playing refresh whore to the BLM party.

That'd be really sexy assuming the BLM wasn't 1-shotted.

Can I interest you in some cursed zenith? :O

[Raineer]

Could use Cover if you are playing refresh whore to the BLM party.

That'd be really sexy assuming the BLM wasn't 1-shotted.

Most BLM's aren't (even taru from what I've seen), but I'd do that in a second on RDM... Wouldn't buy much against MS Nidhogg but against Fafnir RDM could easily hold it until tanks get hate back.

[Skold_07]

After reading quite a few posts and many people bashing Paladin sub I would like you to consider the following options. Let's say its Daytime, you have about 15 or so people, with little Refresh, Tiamat's up and you need to hold it, but you only have two Red Mages, one is for the tank party, the other, is holding elementals. Obviously it can be very hard for black mages to keep thier MP up without refresh. /PLD gives you a 2 MP Refresh with a Black Cloak & the ability to throw backup cures in an envirement where you can completely avoid needing status cures by using the cliff. I am not saying this is the only situation I can think of this being useful, but its definately not a bad subjob for some situations. Stoneskin and Blink won't do shit at Tiamat... So how can conserving MP and still being able to cure bad?

my 2 gils :wink:

[aurik]

Or you could not be a dick and hold a hnm for 2 hours+?

[Shuemue]

Could use Cover if you are playing refresh whore to the BLM party.

That'd be really sexy assuming the BLM wasn't 1-shotted.

Can I interest you in some cursed zenith? :O

lol I won't ever be offered zenith abjurations after I turned down z.pumps... seemed a noble thing to do at the time, but hindsight says they'd have been useful for sorcerer's ring macro. >_>

[Shuemue]

Could use Cover if you are playing refresh whore to the BLM party.

That'd be really sexy assuming the BLM wasn't 1-shotted.

Most BLM's aren't (even taru from what I've seen), but I'd do that in a second on RDM... Wouldn't buy much against MS Nidhogg but against Fafnir RDM could easily hold it until tanks get hate back.

Nid has an uncanny habit of doing wing just as I'm about to hit MB...

WS1
Thunder IV
WS2
Wing
MB
Ouch

I really should merit -enmity

[Xfaustx]

lol at least someone saw where i was going with my post, instead of insta-flaming it hahaha. oh well cant please everyone. but yah i wouldnt mind the 2 MP refresh while still being able to cure, honestly. sure you dont got blink and skin, but in some cases it isnt always needed. just watch your hate and youll do fine. not saying this would be good for things such as nidd or faf. but in certain circumstances this combo could shine

[MikedeeFenrir]

lol at least someone saw where i was going with my post, instead of insta-flaming it hahaha. oh well cant please everyone. but yah i wouldnt mind the 2 MP refresh while still being able to cure, honestly. sure you dont got blink and skin, but in some cases it isnt always needed. just watch your hate and youll do fine. not saying this would be good for things such as nidd or faf. but in certain circumstances this combo could shine

Huh? It's 1 MP a tick (Unless I missed something), and from the look of your sig, you don't have any refresh gear.

BLM/RDM ONLY, K?

[Krandor]

Black Cloak <_< Not exactly rare or expensive

[Xfaustx]

i guess you dint read the post earlier, looking up would help before you even attempt to flame hahahaha. just cuz my sig doesnt show a black cloak doesnt mean all BLM dont have one? lol nice try

and if your gunna try and flame black cloak, relic body and hat would definitely help out.

[Julian]

Or you could just sub whm and equip your black cloak, and still get a form of auto-refresh.

[Xfaustx]

lol yah not saying /WHM isnt still the best combo, but yah the 2 MP refresh is definitely good for certain cases.

[Cleveland]

RDM/PLD......Dalmatica, Duelist Pimp Hat = 3mp/tic auto-refresh.

Load the rest of your gear based on DEF, -dmg % items, HP, Enmity, etc.

Not sure about the hate-keeping issues, but the above set-up could basically go days without dieing. Wouldn't kill anything, but couldn't be killed either. And I'm pretty sure MP wouldn't be an issue either.

Personally, I love the change, and I haven't even unlocked PLD. My LS uses PLD for alot of fights....and this just made them that much better. Before this patch, with Ethereal Errings, our PLD were having Holy contests on Tiamat. Seriously, they had that much MP to spare. Auto-refresh is gonna make it rediculous. And the shield bonus is just the icing on the cake. A few extra Spirits Within or Vorpal Blades here and there from the TP gain is always nice, not to mention the increased proc rate and dmg reduction.

[Sadler]

The Shex

[Xfaustx]

main problem with that combo is lack of voke, and dont think spamming cures would be enough hate to actually holda mob during MB's and all that. MP wouldnt be a prob, if your gunna do /PLD for MP refresh, just use /SMN for AA. cant see RDM/PLD ever being a tanking combo