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[aurik]

y helo there flash + cure4

[Cleveland]

main problem with that combo is lack of voke, and dont think spamming cures would be enough hate to actually holda mob during MB's and all that. MP wouldnt be a prob, if your gunna do /PLD for MP refresh, just use /SMN for AA. cant see RDM/PLD ever being a tanking combo

Never said it was a tank, and I even mentioned the hate keeping issues. I complete agree that they couldn't effectively tank with BLM going nuts on a mob. However, RDM/PLD in this set-up would be a perfect "hold" type job. Example: HNM pops and your LS is enroute, but not all there yet. Another LS shows up, and you gotta pull or loose it. RDM/PLD, so long as no one does anything drastic to pull hate...could hold ou for sometime until the cavalry arrives. Just a thought. Regardless....RDM/PLD would be perfect for skilling up shield.

[Xfaustx]

ooolala kinda forgot flash was 37. well yah, i still dunno. i mean it could prolly hold hate for a bit, dunno about being able to hold throughout the entirity of a fight. and fast cast? wouldnt trust convert in the case of RDM/PLD :X

[MikedeeFenrir]

i guess you dint read the post earlier, looking up would help before you even attempt to flame hahahaha. just cuz my sig doesnt show a black cloak doesnt mean all BLM dont have one? lol nice try

and if your gunna try and flame black cloak, relic body and hat would definitely help out.

Relic Body is junk, and ur arguing that BLM/PLD is a good combo, and I'm saying your wrong, that's all. So I'm sure BLM/WHM does a ton of dmg for you and that's fine

[epigram]

Or... you could not be a dick by holding it without sufficient people?

[Xfaustx]

just take into consideration the different scenarios before you say its complete junk, like the case stated earlier about tiamat or w/e. im not saying go and sub this everywhere. trust me that would be stupid, but in cases where theres no RDM (rarely but ive seen it happen) this can be viable for those times.

and to clevelands post. yah your definitely right, it can work as a quick hold hate for those cases. for the rest of the fight though might render that whole combo useless. idk. guess youd really hafta try the combos out to see what they can do for you, and see what its lacking

[Cleveland]

ooolala kinda forgot flash was 37. well yah, i still dunno. i mean it could prolly hold hate for a bit, dunno about being able to hold throughout the entirity of a fight. and fast cast? wouldnt trust convert in the case of RDM/PLD :X

Convert + BLM Stun + Cure IV +Flash + Cure IV = problem solved.

[MikedeeFenrir]

Or... you could not be a dick by holding it without sufficient people?

Cause BLM is based off of VIT and MND...It's a dumb idea, no benefit other than Auto-refresh and Flash. NINJA EDIT: Stun+Flash = Death??

BLM/SMN seems more apealing only becauase more INT but you go without Phalanx and Stoneskin, oh and Blinkga every minute or so, sorry! :/

[Xfaustx]

lol yah i guess, still a lil risky if your relying on this person to hold a mob or w/e reason your having this combo tank.

[epigram]

Post coherency = 0.

[Jackyl]

all this talk about BLM/PLD... just for the damn 1/tick refresh? Did I miss something about /SMN? What OTHER things do you gain from subbing PLD on BLM that's somewhat useful other than refresh?

[Cleveland]

lol yah i guess, still a lil risky if your relying on this person to hold a mob or w/e reason your having this combo tank.

Risky...yes. Would rather have a NIN or PLD there of course. But, if not, and RDM/PLD is all you got...then why not give it a shot.


Epigram......

Obviously some LS has held something while your LS was ready to kill. Those are the breaks. Its better than it was before with the Super-Mode timers. I remeber a time watching a JP LS hold Nidhogg for 3hrs so it would move back to their prime-time. So....stand up, bend over, pull the tampon out of your ass, and get over it. Shit happens. Go make a drama post if it bothers you that much. This is a discussion on the applications or lack their of for going /PLD for a particular job.

[epigram]

Nah, I've seen fafnir held for a lot longer than that. It's still a dick thing to do, and if you can live with being a dick and whatever MPK'ing or whatnot may come of it, go with it. But for wyrm /blm would be better anyway.

[Ish]

just take into consideration the different scenarios before you say its complete junk, like the case stated earlier about tiamat or w/e. im not saying go and sub this everywhere. trust me that would be stupid, but in cases where theres no RDM (rarely but ive seen it happen) this can be viable for those times.

and to clevelands post. yah your definitely right, it can work as a quick hold hate for those cases. for the rest of the fight though might render that whole combo useless. idk. guess youd really hafta try the combos out to see what they can do for you, and see what its lacking

I think since I'm the one who started this RDM tanking thing, anyway...you're kind of missing what I was saying though. I'm not saying a RDM should be necessarily tanking, but certainly if you have say 2 or 3 plds as tanks, then a RDM/PLD doing additional flashes, and cures it will put them high on the hate list, especially if they use a variety of +enmity gear available to them. Nothing ridiculous, just enough to generate hate so that should the PLDs lose it, it transfers to the RDM/PLD and not the BLMs or WHM what have you.

RDM/PLD as main tank on things like Fafnir is really not feasible in the slightest, but I do see them doing some relatively smaller NM, and I certainly would solo PLD over NIN in some (most) situations at this point for soloing.

[Xfaustx]

Jackyl Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:15 pm Post subject:

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all this talk about BLM/PLD... just for the damn 1/tick refresh? Did I miss something about /SMN? What OTHER things do you gain from subbing PLD on BLM that's somewhat useful other than refresh?

the ability to be able to cure still :X /SMN cant really do that >.>

[Not Kuno]

Any BLM that subs SMN or PLD now should be kicked.




And by kicked I mean in the face with some steel-toed boots.

[Xfaustx]

well since you dint post any good reasons to or not to sub SMN or PLD. your post doesnt really mean shit.lol sorry babe, this is a thread to discuss what it CAN be good for. so dont start random flaming unless you have something to say, people actually care about

[Jackyl]

Jackyl Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:15 pm Post subject:

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all this talk about BLM/PLD... just for the damn 1/tick refresh? Did I miss something about /SMN? What OTHER things do you gain from subbing PLD on BLM that's somewhat useful other than refresh?

the ability to be able to cure still :X /SMN cant really do that >.>

oohh... right right..

hm.. i'd still sub whm in a heartbeat.

Cures/curaga1+2/regen/enfeebles/-na spells/stoneskin/blink/invisi/sneak/raise1/barspells/erase/3 teleports > 1 tick refresh/cures/flash

god damn, that's a long whm list. <3 whm sub

[Not Kuno]

The only thing going for either of those subs is auto refresh. Hello Mr. Demons Cloak have we met? And what the fuck can you possibly be doing that requires auto refresh anyway? Oh no I'm just nuking TOO FAST and I don't have any more mp. I wonder if theres a magical way I can get mp faster so I can nuke more.

Truth be told you don't need that much mp for such a cost. Get a rdm. Or a brd. Or both. It's their job. Having 1mp/tick isn't worth losing cures/stoneskin/blink/phalanx/barspells/etc etc. You shouldn't be nuking fast enough to put such a strain on your mp anyway, because that gets you hate and you die. If only you had blink or stoneskin. :wink:

[Xfaustx]

haha yah, yes WHM still will always be the standard WHM sub. but again im just saying certain circumstances. i would never ever have this be a main sub for BLM. WHM in a heartbeat for sure. im just trying to think of ways this sub could benefit other jobs. the RDM/PLD one i thought was pretty good.