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[Krandor]

well since you dint post any good reasons to or not to sub SMN or PLD. your post doesnt really mean shit.lol sorry babe, this is a thread to discuss what it CAN be good for. so dont start random flaming unless you have something to say, people actually care about

Cures/curaga1+2/regen/enfeebles/-na spells/stoneskin/blink/invisi/sneak/raise1/barspells/erase/3 teleports > 1 tick refresh/cures/flash

There are your reasons <_<

[Xfaustx]

Not Kuno



Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Posts: 2765
Location: NYC
Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject:

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The only thing going for either of those subs is auto refresh. Hello Mr. Demons Cloak have we met? And what the fuck can you possibly be doing that requires auto refresh anyway? Oh no I'm just nuking TOO FAST and I don't have any more mp. I wonder if theres a magical way I can get mp faster so I can nuke more.

Truth be told you don't need that much mp for such a cost. Get a rdm. Or a brd. Or both. It's their job. Having 1mp/tick isn't worth losing cures/stoneskin/blink/phalanx/barspells/etc etc. You shouldn't be nuking fast enough to put such a strain on your mp anyway, because that gets you hate and you die. If only you had blink or stoneskin.

i guess you havent read this whole thread, and know that we havent already discussed demons cloak. and why in the 1st place youd sub PLD. go back to like page 3 or something, basically the whole point of /PLD was when you dint have a refresher. so that kinda eliminates your whole last paragraph. "Having 1mp/tick isn't worth losing cures/stoneskin/blink/phalanx/barspells/etc etc." well since PLD has cures i guess you wouldnt be losing that, being the reason youd sub PLD in the 1st place. this isnt meant for nidhogg or fafnir again.lol


lol krandor. i dont wanna keep retyping things ive already said >.> but yes i agree WHM is still better and /PLD is only meant for certain things.

[MikedeeFenrir]

Any BLM that subs SMN or PLD now should be kicked.




And by kicked I mean in the face with some steel-toed boots.

<3

I can't wait to go home /sea DRK all and see a handfull of DRK/PLD lfg


Ninja Edit:

lol krandor. i dont wanna keep retyping things ive already said >.> but yes i agree WHM is still better and /PLD is only meant for certain things.

and /RDM is better than /WHM

[Not Kuno]

i guess you havent read this whole thread, and know that we havent already discussed demons cloak.

I have selective reading. :wink:

I wasn't knocking rdm/pld or anything like that, just blm/pld. Also theres nothing wrong with blm/rdm I prefer that much much more then blm/whm. Although whm should be the only sub a blm uses when lvling to 75.

well since PLD has cures i guess you wouldnt be losing that, being the reason youd sub PLD in the 1st place. this isnt meant for nidhogg or fafnir again.lol

blm/pld gets cure1 at lvl10, blm/pld gets cure2 at 34, and blm/pld gets cure3 at 60.

[aurik]

lol krandor. i dont wanna keep retyping things ive already said >.> but yes i agree WHM is still better and /PLD is only meant for certain things.

certain things being...running around jeuno with 2mp/tic refresh for d2ing friends?

/pld for blm is pretty much worthless, really. No ss = you're not soloing. No -na spells = you are a shitty additional-healer. You get an additional 20 mp per minute, which equates to casting an extra thunder4 every 8.5 minutes.

[BRP]

and /RDM is better than /WHM

Quoted for truth.

And, /PLD or /SMN for BLM is just retarded. However, this RDM/PLD talk interests me.

[aurik]

I like blm/whm so much better than blm/rdm...status cures > a second or two off cast times, and you probably already have someone for dispel and gravity.

[Septimus]

The only thing going for either of those subs is auto refresh. Hello Mr. Demons Cloak have we met? And what the fuck can you possibly be doing that requires auto refresh anyway? Oh no I'm just nuking TOO FAST and I don't have any more mp. I wonder if theres a magical way I can get mp faster so I can nuke more.

Truth be told you don't need that much mp for such a cost. Get a rdm. Or a brd. Or both. It's their job. Having 1mp/tick isn't worth losing cures/stoneskin/blink/phalanx/barspells/etc etc. You shouldn't be nuking fast enough to put such a strain on your mp anyway, because that gets you hate and you die. If only you had blink or stoneskin. :wink:

You see, people are so afraid to deviate from their cookie-cutter jobs that they can't see the genius of BLM/PLD. If you stopped being so closed-minded you would see why this is the wave of the future.

OK, so your churning out all of your killer nukes becacause PLD gives a bitchin' INT boost and auto-refresh allows you to nuke more. Oh no! The mob turns to you! Now, normally you would count on Blink or Stoneskin or Phalanx to save you, but you're subbing PLD! You have not one, but two passive defense boost traits, so you have like a whole 200 defense by subbing PLD!

But that's not all! That mob comes over to hit you, you use Sentinel to boost your defense some more! It's better than Stoneskin or Phalanx because it's free!

But that mob still wants a piece of you? Wham! Use Shield Bash and that mob gets a face full of Astral Aspis! Then some Flash to distract it so you can completely pwn it with Banish II.

Some people are just ahead of the curve.

[MikedeeFenrir]

This is getting really out of hand.

BLM is not a "Extra healer"
BLM should sub RDM
If you think as BLM as a "Additional Healer" level RDM to 75
/PLD is plain retarded

What I have taken from this thread:

Auto Refresh on PLD is worth subbing it, even though you're gimping your INT, but adding a eminty + spell which will be gimped since it's Divine Magic and Black Mage doens't have that it's halfed (btw cause I know Xfaustx is gonna say I have Divine Magic, it's cause of your sub job).

RDM sub whenever you can, WHM sub when needed (if needed).

Ninja Edit:

I like blm/whm so much better than blm/rdm...status cures > a second or two off cast times, and you probably already have someone for dispel and gravity.

Yes it's fine when you have a retarded BRD/WHM or a RDM who can't sub WHM, it's fine, damage wise, it sucks.

[aurik]

This is getting really out of hand.

BLM is not a "Extra healer"
BLM should sub RDM
If you think as BLM as a "Additional Healer" level RDM to 75
/PLD is plain retarded

What I have taken from this thread:

Auto Refresh on PLD is worth subbing it, even though you're gimping your INT, but adding a eminty + spell which will be gimped since it's Divine Magic and Black Mage doens't have that it's halfed (btw cause I know Xfaustx is gonna say I have Divine Magic, it's cause of your sub job).

RDM sub whenever you can, WHM sub when needed (if needed).

No offense, if you think you can rely on 2-3 whms to paralyna everyone (in addition to propping up the tanks) when jorm/tiamat wingrapes your whole ally, you aren't a very forward thinking blm. /whm isn't for cures (which you get from RDM anyway, which you should avoid casting if you can because they give you a lot of enmity compared to a few status cures) its for status curing.

Also, just how much extra damage endgame are we talking rdm over whm? It's not like you get any extra MAB, it's at most a few int. I'd trade a few int for status cures in a flash.

[rahvin]

Not Kuno



Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Posts: 2765
Location: NYC
Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject:

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The only thing going for either of those subs is auto refresh. Hello Mr. Demons Cloak have we met? And what the fuck can you possibly be doing that requires auto refresh anyway? Oh no I'm just nuking TOO FAST and I don't have any more mp. I wonder if theres a magical way I can get mp faster so I can nuke more.

Truth be told you don't need that much mp for such a cost. Get a rdm. Or a brd. Or both. It's their job. Having 1mp/tick isn't worth losing cures/stoneskin/blink/phalanx/barspells/etc etc. You shouldn't be nuking fast enough to put such a strain on your mp anyway, because that gets you hate and you die. If only you had blink or stoneskin.

i guess you havent read this whole thread, and know that we havent already discussed demons cloak. and why in the 1st place youd sub PLD. go back to like page 3 or something, basically the whole point of /PLD was when you dint have a refresher. so that kinda eliminates your whole last paragraph. "Having 1mp/tick isn't worth losing cures/stoneskin/blink/phalanx/barspells/etc etc." well since PLD has cures i guess you wouldnt be losing that, being the reason youd sub PLD in the 1st place. this isnt meant for nidhogg or fafnir again.lol


lol krandor. i dont wanna keep retyping things ive already said >.> but yes i agree WHM is still better and /PLD is only meant for certain things.

Please go back into whatever fucking hole you came from. Go back to alla or KI, becuase your fucking rediculous comments make it apparent you came from there.

but you are right /pld is meant for only 1 thing. To show us you are a nub and dont know wtf is good and bad for your job.

GTFO

[Not Kuno]

I sub rdm for the fast cast (!), phalanx and int. I rarely ever do any -na spells or erase and if I do something where I will need it I just sub whm. But I go to 99% of events /rdm sub and never get any ailment worth recovering from.

[Alphavision]

and /RDM is better than /WHM

IMO WHM is the "better" sub because it allows you to be more versatile and self-sufficient than subbing RDM. I guess it depends on the situation.

This a bit of a pet peeve, but seeing BLMs ask for paralyna/poisona/viruna/erase/crag teleports makes me sad.

[Banigaru]

HAY I R BLM/RDM in BLM PT... oo i got poison/bio/slow/paralyze, HELP! That pisses me off, it really stops you from getting hi chains when you have to wait for the cool down of like erase for some idiot to went /rdm...

[BRP]

The gap between BLM/WHM and BLM/RDM isn't that big, considering most of our damage comes from gear. About the whole cure/status cure comment... you have better chance finding someone in your party who can cure oppose to gravity(and to a lesser degree, dispel). BLM/RDM for optimalism and Gravity, BLM/WHM for convience(teleport and status cures).

(I believe /WHM only really stands out against mobs that spam high-damage poisona and paralyze)

[Jackyl]

BLM/WHM vs BLM/RDM argument is comparable to a NIN vs PLD tank argument.

use whatever fits in YOUR situation. yay me i saved another 2 pages of pointless argument \(*^^)/

[Banigaru]

its more like, sub rdm for regular parties and fafnir and stuff, /whm for things where you need status ailments and r1s. its not as dramatic a difference of having a shitty xp tank or a good one

[aurik]

I really don't think FC is worth losing status cures for. You're not chain-nuking: you're generally waiting for burst or just timing your spells so you don't go way over the top in enmity. You can learn to live with an extra second or two on your big spells, and for key spells like sleep and stun the difference is small or unnoticeable.

As for not throwing out status cures, why aren't you? While you may not care about blindness from wing, your melees are whiffing while trying to build TP...

[Banigaru]

most people /rdm for the extra int

[epigram]

Yeah but if a blm/pld is poisoned they can still get mp without sitting.