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[aurik]

most people /rdm for the extra int

Yea and I already responded to that. 2-3 extra int (how much is it anyway) is not worth much. I'd much rather have a more versatile subjob.

[Not Kuno]

FC is like crack. I don't need it, but I am dependant on it. It's not just about casting fast but mostly recast timers. Teir4s have like 30sec with /whm? That's pretty gay. Aspir/Drain/Stun are also tough with /whm because of no FC. I'm a stun whore and unlike melee or tanks blm don't get haste so yeah (not saying they should, but you know). As for healing ailments, we have whm. And rdm. And brd. And smn. And whatever else decides to sub whm. Nobody is gonna kill themselves because they didnt get blindna from a blm at a fafnir.

The extra int from /rdm is alot like being 'one race higher' in terms of int bonus. Ie Tarus nuking for more then Hume. It's nothing super amazing but it's static and kinda nice.

[WittyG]

/rdm usefulness doesn't really come from the +3Int you get compared to /whm, it's mainly Fast Cast.

Lower recast for stun/drain/aspir/sleep/nukes + casting time reduced to 60ish% are often more useful than erase/paralyna/silena, which can be casted by the whm, brd, rdm/whm, smn.

Whm sub should be the main sub while levelling to 75, with /rdm being situationnal, but endgame it's rather the other way around.

[aurik]

FC is like crack. I don't need it, but I am dependant on it. It's not just about casting fast but mostly recast timers. Teir4s have like 30sec with /whm? That's pretty gay. Aspir/Drain/Stun are also tough with /whm because of no FC. I'm a stun whore and unlike melee or tanks blm don't get haste so yeah (not saying they should, but you know). As for healing ailments, we have whm. And rdm. And brd. And smn. And whatever else decides to sub whm. Nobody is gonna kill themselves because they didnt get blindna from a blm at a fafnir.

The extra int from /rdm is alot like being 'one race higher' in terms of int bonus. Ie Tarus nuking for more then Hume. It's nothing super amazing but it's static and kinda nice.

And yet, BLMs typically die left right and center. Now maybe you and your tanks and your LS are good enough / know enough about hate management that you can go balls-out and live. But in the last shell I was in, it was typical to see at least 3-4 blm deaths no matter what we were fighting and whatever setup, because they'd fly off the charts enmity-wise. And then they'd be useless for the last 50% of the fight. GG.

Just like a blm/rdm I know who goes to limbus and dies like 3-4 times each trip. Because he opens up every second mob with weskit+zmitts+ThunderIV->BlizzardIV "OH DAMN HOW COME YOU GUYS COULDN'T PULL IT OFF ME??"..............

The last thing that BLMs need, imo, is more mab/int/casting speed. Enmity down. Please, for your own sake.

As for the other jobs, smn, whm, brd using status cures, sure. But the whms are busy propping up the tanks. The smns generally have to rest full-time to keep up mana for their BPs, and besides that are the ideal second-line curers because of their naturally low enmity. The brds, well ya brds should be tossing out tons of status cures too.

Bottom line, I think blm/rdm with mana in its pool standing around waiting to put up another epenis burst is a waste of an alliance spot. Kick him and put in a smart blm who will help the alliance survive while dealing awesome damage that won't be a liability when his t4 nukes land.

[epigram]

So I take it your not doing mnk/pld for your next dynamis run?

[Banigaru]

wow you talk like the death of a blm is like this huge hinderance to your fafnir fight, maybe if you have the 30 person zerg, but really blm who can afford all the good +1 gear like weskits and mitts, go to fafnir soley to bust an epeen burst for 3000. If you really think a blm dying is sooo critical to the success of your fight...you might wana practice some more.

[aurik]

BLMs who die are a liability, end of story.

[Banigaru]

The blm who dies first wins

[Vaplade]

Going back to PLD, I liked the Auto Refresh on Fafnir last night, but I really like the new TP from shield blocks. It's like 3TP from the block, and 2TP from getting hit, anyone else notice a good jump in TP gain? Might not be too much but it'll be good for PLD in exp for more WS's.

[Eander]

Who doesn't like killing the BLM when you get hit by Charmga?

[aurik]

Wow, Banigaru joined the same day I did <_< that's creepy.
Anyway this thread isn't about PLDs, gtfo, /rdm vs /whm sub argument onry.

[Banigaru]

i just dont think AR is enough to justify /pld, you dont see blm xping 100% in Vcloak and if you do, please shoot them. /rdm owns for many things like brd/rdm in ballista with alot of stuff owns hard and its good for kirin and some other things, over all I think it's situational.

(lol @blm/rdm at tiamat who ask for viruna)

[MikedeeFenrir]

RDM/PLD BLM/PLD x5 will be the greatest burn PT ever.

...and Fast Cast is crack.

[BRP]

Who doesn't like getting kill by the BLM when you get hit by Charmga and a Thundaga III?

Hmm. Fixed.

[Not Kuno]

I dont chain nuke at fafnir. There are things I chain nuke for though. Like dynamis and limbus; the mobs die so fast stealing hate doesn't matter. The thing is at faf theres no reason to sub whm I dont need to cast blindna, the perportion of melees hitting it to whm or /whm is absurd.

Of course I never said /whm is gay or it sucks, I just like /rdm. There are times I sub whm, and that is needed and essential etc etc etc. However it's just that I personally perfer rdm to whm for most situations. If you don't like me liking to sub rdm then tough shit.

[Shuemue]

BLMs who die are a liability, end of story.

The blm who dies first wins

Who to agree with? >_>

[whm_mahler]

I don't think /rdm is better than /whm or vice versa they both have their pro's and con's. Good BLMs can use them in really any situation.

[Severance]

BLMs who die are a liability, end of story.

The blm who dies first wins

Who to agree with? >_>

The latter.

[MikedeeFenrir]

I don't think /rdm is better than /whm or vice versa they both have their pro's and con's. Good BLMs can use them in really any situation.

HAVE U EVER TRIED FAST CAST!? OMG AND CHAINSPELL IS LIKE, AMAZING, RDM NEEDS -GA SPELLS PLZ

[cassiraa]

HAVE U EVER TRIED FAST CAST!? OMG AND CHAINSPELL IS LIKE, AMAZING, RDM NEEDS -GA SPELLS PLZ

First, lets take a moment and mourn the passing of the english language.


.....


Now then, Lets give a quick BLM/RDM checklist.

1) Are we fighting things that cause status effects that NEED Erase or certain -na spells?

2) Are in a party setup that Absolutly Requires the BLM to have Divine Seal or Divine magic?


If no, Then why not /RDM for Fastcast and a little more INT? [and +1hMP earring]

Now also, I totally agree that there are situations where /WHM is better, more efficient, and every BLM should have WHM leveled. But to say that /RDM is unusable or to mock people for using it in situations where it'd be fine? That's just shortsighted.



~Cassiraa