Dual Wield nerfed.

[JeanClaudVanDamme]

h2h is 2 handed? It's not like they can sub nin and weild 4 claws?

So a monk with Relic Knuckles landing 8 hits will get 200tp+ Hell you just need 4 to spam and do nothing but AF...

Are you being thick headed on purpose? Or just looking for reasons to argue? You know damn well what i meant by 2h weapons, which are scythe, ga, gk, polearms. Who the fuck actually thinks H2H is 2h weapons? Because we all complain about how slow MNKs build tp right?

Just a suggestion.

[Onizuka]

2h weapons would be overpowerd...

[ps2user]

2h weapons would be overpowerd...

just STFU, will ya?

[Krandor]

2h weapons would be overpowerd...

just STFU, will ya?

He's right, giving 2handed weapons or relic weapons old school TP return when 1handed wouldn't have it would unbalance the game. So I think it is you sir who should STFU as you so bluntly put it.

[epigram]

Last time I checked 2h weapons included h2h. Now if you want to be a little less vague in your terminology you wouldn't need to clarify yourself by insulting others.

2h weapons: Weapons that require 2 hands to use, and cannot be dual-weilded.

A pair of claws requires two hands to use and cannot be dual weilded.[/b]

[layoneil]

there are other ways to fix 2 handed weapons, your suggestion seems broken/stupid. it doesn't do anything for SAM where multi-hit WS = 2 hits and all the good ones are 1 hit.

increase the damage cap so that a 90 DMG Scythe hit for hit will be 2x that of a 45 DMG Axe. a crit with a 90 DMG Scythe should be 2x a crit on a 45 DMG Axe.

to fix all relic weapons put this line at the bottom of 2-handers "Occasionally Attacks Twice" and this for 1-handers "Occasionally attacks 2 to 3 times"

[Not Kuno]

to fix all relic weapons put this line at the bottom of 2-handers "Occasionally Attacks Twice" and this for 1-handers "Occasionally attacks 2 to 3 times"

That's the best thing for all relics. They would be instantly worth it.

Although a double/triple attacking gun/bow/horn/shield would be interesting to see.

[layoneil]

Although a double/triple attacking gun/bow/horn/shield would be interesting to see.

Horn and Shield don't need fixing, they aren't "weapons".

for Gun and Bow, it would just mean they shoot 2 arrows/bullets instead of 1 sometimes, Barrage isn't a new concept either.

[epigram]

After the last update I believe the dual weild bonus has been slightly depressed. However, the big issue is the damage formula. Do you know that there isn't a gigantic difference between a 25 dmg axe and a 50 dmg axe? Before I traded in my leoline axe I busted out a few rampages for 400 dmg on the demons in the castle with a 1 dmg axe. With my maneater I can't bust out much over 1000 without a DA going off on them...

The issue as just stated in the prior post is that base weapon damage doesn't play into the damage equation as much as it really should. This is why a dark does so poorly with a scythe for DoT compared to a war. Sure you hit for 160, but in the same time a war just hit for over 200 with dual axes.

[Kuponut]

I'm tired of people asking for other jobs to be nerfed because they feel that their job is weak in some way. Many things in this game are very unbalanced, but nerfing other jobs won't make your job stronger..

I am bad at explaining.. so an example would be the melees who want BLM to be nerfed, because they want to be more useful in HNM fights and such. Nerfing BLM won't make melee any better on HNMs at all, Square would have to improve the melees to make them more useful, not nerf BLM.

To PLD who have sought a NIN nerf because some people prefer NIN on some things over PLD, and to the people who don't like how fast NIN gains TP, why would you want them to nerf one of the tank jobs? I would rather they improve my job, rather than Nerf others. Making NIN a worse tank wouldn't make PLD any better of a tank, it would just mean there are less options for a tank available.

If they made it so that a 90-97 DMG weapon hit for double the amount of a 45 DMG weapon, can you imagine how high the weaponskill damage would be? People would probably call that broken. Two-hand weapons also have high delay if noone noticed, Why hello 500+ delay Scythe! Why don't you get TP as fast as the jobs with 150-220 delay weapons with Job Traits that improve their speed? It might have to do with the delay!

Increasing TP gain for two-hand weapons was a good change, giving PLD auto-refresh was a good change... they helped some jobs without hurting others. Nerfing Ninja, Thief, and Monk TP gain only hurts Ninja, Monk and Thief, and does nothing to help anyone.

And not all jobs were meant to do as much damage as the other, my Damage Dealing job is Thief, we might not be as hard-hitting as other jobs out there, but I wouldn't ask for those other jobs to be nerfed.. that wouldn't help Thief at all..

So to all the people who want another job nerfed, weakened, etc.. Go Die.

[Sonomaa]

the correct answer is return ranger to its pre-nerf status, then everyone will go rng again and forget this entire "other DDs are good" status

everything can be solved by adding more rangers

[Heian]

the correct answer is return ranger to its pre-nerf status, then everyone will go rng again and forget this entire "other DDs are good" status

everything can be solved by adding more Black Mages and Summoners

Fix'd

[Darm]

the correct answer is return ranger to its pre-nerf status, then everyone will go rng again and forget this entire "other DDs are good" status

everything can be solved by adding more Black Mages and Summoners

Fix'd

Sad but so true. It's pretty awful that they aren't "balancing" all the jobs at launch.

[Krandor]

Forgive me if it was mentioned somewhere, but since this thread is talking all about TP, do 70 BPs give TP now or are they still TP less damage?

[ntgn]

Lol SE is fucking retarded...

They say their going to nerf war/nin but instead they nerf the weakest DoT job in the game and change nothing for war/nin only making war/thf stronger...

They say their making scythe's do more dmg because they don't want drks using anything but scythe only to give them an A skill in GS for nothing and better yet nerf scythe even more by giving all low delay 2h weapons more tp per swing, changing nothing...

SE only company i know to do a bunch of shit only to have everything be the same if not alot worse GG

Just stop bitching and quit the game already.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Lol SE is fucking retarded...

They say their going to nerf war/nin but instead they nerf the weakest DoT job in the game and change nothing for war/nin only making war/thf stronger...

They say their making scythe's do more dmg because they don't want drks using anything but scythe only to give them an A skill in GS for nothing and better yet nerf scythe even more by giving all low delay 2h weapons more tp per swing, changing nothing...

SE only company i know to do a bunch of shit only to have everything be the same if not alot worse GG

Just stop bitching and quit the game already.

Just ignore him, he actually has downs syndrome. Making fun of him would just be cruel.

[Onizuka]

Lol SE is fucking retarded...

They say their going to nerf war/nin but instead they nerf the weakest DoT job in the game and change nothing for war/nin only making war/thf stronger...

They say their making scythe's do more dmg because they don't want drks using anything but scythe only to give them an A skill in GS for nothing and better yet nerf scythe even more by giving all low delay 2h weapons more tp per swing, changing nothing...

SE only company i know to do a bunch of shit only to have everything be the same if not alot worse GG

Just stop bitching and quit the game already.

Heh i was "Bitching" as you call it for other people/jobs.. Im not a drk, thf, or drg and if you want u can stay a sorry ass melee and i'll keep my blm, kthxbai

[Amara]

Scythe gets a tp bonus too, huh? Its still more per-hit.

I don't get your complaints really, you think dualwield should be changed for war but not for nin? /nin is already get gimped on it, with half of what nins get without equipping any +dual wield, which nin has pretty easy access to more of. I also don't ever recall exping with a war who used a pair of rapiers or daggers to break the tp floor.

How would you like it if /war gave you only 5% double attack, and if berserk and defender only gave 1/2 the bonus they give war mains?

Yeah, I know, you wouldn't.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Heh i was "Bitching" as you call it for other people/jobs.. Im not a drk, thf, or drg and if you want u can stay a sorry ass melee and i'll keep my blm, kthxbai

You are the only poster on here I honestly think is 100% shit. I know it doesn't mean too much coming from me, but your posts are always either unreadable or you WISH they were unreadable. I hope you get nerfed. Not melee. Not BLM. Not any job. Just you. I also sincerely hope you get raped by everybody on Bahamut.

Thanks for your time.

[Mifaco]

Heh i was "Bitching" as you call it for other people/jobs.. Im not a drk, thf, or drg and if you want u can stay a sorry ass melee and i'll keep my blm, kthxbai

You are the only poster on here I honestly think is 100% shit. I know it doesn't mean too much coming from me, but your posts are always either unreadable or you WISH they were unreadable. I hope you get nerfed. Not melee. Not BLM. Not any job. Just you. I also sincerely hope you get raped by everybody on Bahamut.

Thanks for your time.

Back of the bus, plz. thx