Shield Update

[savageboy]

bottomline being a pld for so long and coming on today and fooling around with it and fighting fafnir i was VERY impressed...most buffs for certain jobs are negligible and we still relish over what little we get...

plds maybe didnt just get superior to nin but any change this blatantly apparent is definitely something to celebrate

guess we'll see what it really amounts to in the next week, either way im very happy

[Heian]

bottomline being a pld for so long and coming on today and fooling around with it and fighting fafnir i was VERY impressed...most buffs for certain jobs are negligible and we still relish over what little we get...

plds maybe didnt just get superior to nin but any change this blatantly apparent is definitely something to celebrate

guess we'll see what it really amounts to in the next week, either way im very happy

I have not jumped on PLD since the update but this is nice. Also Auto-Refresh will fucking own in burn PTs as PLD/NIN.

[Norelco]

I just tested out on a Puck in Den of Rancor.

Going off the average damage for unblocked hits Damage Reduction with a Size 3 Shield (in this case my Kaiser) was at 60% now instead of the old 50%.

Block Rate I can't really comment on because most of my Shield skill gear is on a mule atm.

Krandor, I tried it out this morning with a shield skill of 255 (yes I know, pathetic), with +22 in shield gear and a level 1 or 2 shield (Light Buckler), and was blocking about 50-60% of the time. I only got to try a few rounds of Pucks this morning before work but I managed in 2 fights to get a .5 and a .8 total in both fights, pretty damn nice.

I couldn't discern the TP gain I got, but it looked anywhere from 4 to 6 TP gained from blocking. I wonder if different sized shields give more or less TP?

Also, I'm just curious what the shield cap is for Pucks...can I take that all the way to 276?

[Krandor]

Yeah you can go all the way to 276, myself and a LS mate capped our skill out on them.

I didn't write anything down but if I'm remembering correctly the average damage I was taking per hit off them was something around 51 unblocked, average shield blocks were 18-19. Highest block was about 30 on a crit and 7 or 8 on a normal hit was the lowest.

Once I get done with work in a few hours I'm going to go grab my Shield skill gear off my mule and head back down to Den of Rancor and test out different shield sizes and see if what the new damage reduction levels look like, and if size affects TP gain.

[Krandor]

Eh maintenance today will delay my test, but otw to DA I grabbed a spider and let it smack me to get some more numbers (Spiders also hit harder than Pucks :wink: ). On the Pucks last night damaged reduction came out to 62%ish, on the spider is as around 58%, but this could fall with the margin of error since I only tested for a few minutes.

I'm sure Arkknight is right about Mob level apparently not playing a difference in block rate anymore. The Puck I used for my testing last night was DC, and the Spider was Tough to me, and my measured block rate was still the same. This might not be a wide enough level range to fully confirm this though.

I didn't have shield skill gear with me still but I can go test Ark's estimated block rate after Faf, maybe I can bring a WHM with me so I stay up longer <_<.

Oh and also Norelco, the variable TP return you got could be due to the Subtle Blow trait the Puck would have from being MNK based. After I grab my Tatami and Strike Shield I'll check this.

[Norelco]

Oh and also Norelco, the variable TP return you got could be due to the Subtle Blow trait the Puck would have from being MNK based. After I grab my Tatami and Strike Shield I'll check this.

Pucks get Subtle Blow?

I guess that would make sense, considering sometimes on shield blocks I got 0 TP and other times what seemed like 5 or 6.

Like you though, I didn't get enough time this morning before work to test this out extensively, but I'm looking forward to it and bringing a BRD along to keep me up longer.

[jerkbox]

Note that you'll never get TP bonus from shield blocking and taking 0 damage (with Stoneskin/Phalanx). At least that's what I've noticed.

[Shuemue]

I feel so noob. I just thought the different shield sizes were for looks only, not actually different effectiveness. >_>

[NynJa]

Oh and also Norelco, the variable TP return you got could be due to the Subtle Blow trait the Puck would have from being MNK based. After I grab my Tatami and Strike Shield I'll check this.

Pucks get Subtle Blow?

I guess that would make sense, considering sometimes on shield blocks I got 0 TP and other times what seemed like 5 or 6.

Like you though, I didn't get enough time this morning before work to test this out extensively, but I'm looking forward to it and bringing a BRD along to keep me up longer.

I'll guess and say you got 0 TP because you reduced the damage down to 0.

[SiryOp]

Sexy uber meat shields for sure, but still dont hold a candle to nins damage. Back to lfg in jeuno :s

[Ozoko]

Update for them is real nice, I think i might have to hop back on my PLD after dabbleing in COR.

[inafume]

I feel so noob. I just thought the different shield sizes were for looks only, not actually different effectiveness. >_>

That was true, actually, but then they changed it (same time they added Aegis I believe) so different shields have different block rates and damage reduction rates.

[Shuemue]

I feel so noob. I just thought the different shield sizes were for looks only, not actually different effectiveness. >_>

That was true, actually, but then they changed it (same time they added Aegis I believe) so different shields have different block rates and damage reduction rates.

I should try to keep up with these things, but playing BLM and MNK I've never really had an interest in shields.

[Norelco]

I'll guess and say you got 0 TP because you reduced the damage down to 0.

No, I definitely didn't block any hits for 0 damage on Pucks with the gear set up I was using. I'll list pertinent +shield and +agi for kicks...since I was going more for skill ups than testing.

Koenig Schaller (+5 shield)
Shield Torque (+7 shield)
Light Buckler (+5 shield)
Knight's Earring (+5 shield)

I opted not to use PLD AF feet for the extra +10 shield skill.

Crimson boots - +3 agi
Reflex ring x 2 - +4 agi
Gallant legs - +3 agi
Drone earring - +3 agi

[Not Kuno]

lol Drone Earrings

[Isildur]

you're just jealous you dont have a pair Kuno =O

im willing to bet the TP bonus from Shield Mastery depends on the shield size

[Not Kuno]

you're just jealous you dont have a pair Kuno =O

I cry myself to sleep about it every night.

[Norelco]

lol Drone Earrings

That's used for skilling up shield. I normally wear Cassie or Intruder's Earring. :D