Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[Lordender]

with thunder weather and mnd set up + obi + jup staff and memento mori i was getting 874 dmg mindblasts w/o magicbursting. Mindblast is basically a thunder III but only costs 82mp + can paralyze is pretty fucking hot.

[Celeras]

Hmm what am I missing. Assuming you mean single weather:

+10% Weather Bonus
+5% Staff bonus (vs. my NQ ;; never needed jupiter since my blm is long gone, but I guess I do now!)
+10% AF Head Correlation Bonus (I think its 10%? is it more?)
+40 Someodd mnd, assuming you have a decent setup for it.

My base, non-MB damage would be 402 in the crap I casted in (blah). Roughly estimating 1mnd = 2dmg (since i have no idea how to calculate the damn thing), that would put me at 482 if I wouldve casted in the right +mnd setup instead of haste. Factor in my AF Head screwup, and your weather/HQ bonuses, that would put me at 603 base damage and 784 MBs.

Now I know those numbers are flawed, because the 402 base damage I came up with includes the MAB from Memento Mori/Moldavite. And since MAB is calculated AFTER your base damage is figured out via stats, those numbers are going to be lower then they should be. (25% of 402 is less then 25% of 502. I would have to work backwards and calculate the base damage without the MAB, then apply it afterwards... but I dont want too.) But thats not going to attribute to 271 damage.

So what am I missing? Was it double weather? Even so, that would only bump the damage to 675.. but getting closer. Did you have MAB trait equipped? /Blm for MABII? Taru or some other source of insane mnd+ I might be missing? Mnd food/Etudes?

Fill in the blanks. I believe 874 non-MB to be attainable with all of the above, just gimme a hand putting it all together.

[Suiram]

Since it's a magic based spell, it's possible you could also be experiencing the effects of the 'BLM nerf' if you're fighting Fafnir with a BLM-heavy alliance.

It'd be a lot easier to determine the cause of the difference if the base damage formula for Mind Blast was known, if you feel like going out to gustaburg or ronfaure as blu/blm casting shock on mobs and stacking MND gear to test.

[Celeras]

Since it's a magic based spell, it's possible you could also be experiencing the effects of the 'BLM nerf' if you're fighting Fafnir with a BLM-heavy alliance.

It'd be a lot easier to determine the cause of the difference if the base damage formula for Mind Blast was known, if you feel like going out to gustaburg or ronfaure as blu/blm casting shock on mobs and stacking MND gear to test.

Could be, we only had 2-3 blms though. 4 tops. Thought of something else too.

I calculated the base damage from the MB, meaning burst affinity was active. Which doubles the status(mnd) correction, giving it higher damage then a normal cast without even factoring in the magic burst. Lots to account for on Blue Mage x.x

I still believe it to be possible, since he was probably just freecasting with Burst Affinity active as well. Since I would be doing the same, the base damage I said in the above post would be close enough to accurate. If anything it would be a little conservative, because I would have calculated yet another thing after applying MAB, which is wrong. And also, the "doubled mnd" correction from burst affinity would be low since I casted in haste gear as opposed to full mnd.

Maybe i'm closer then I think I am, but i'll have to wait for his reply back to see.

[Lordender]

ok my gear was basically the following, tested this in lightning weather twice with whm and blm sub, no food was used and Uggalepih Pendant wasent active.

main: Jupiter staff
neck: Promise Badge
Body: Errant Body
Helm: Af helm.
hands: Devotee's Mitts
Back: Rainbow Cape.
ring1: Tamas Ring
ring2: Sapphire ring
Ear1: Static Earring
Ear2: Moldavite Earring
Belt: Rairin Obi
Legs: Mahatma Slops
Feet: Yigit Crackows
Ammo: Phantom Tathlim

This isn't the best of gear obviously, it could be better if i wanted to put more time into it.

Spell setup is mostly mnd, with some healing power. You could plug in more mnd spells by removing some of the healing and your auto-refresh if you have a rdm or a brd.

Power Attack +1 Mnd
Sprot Smack +1 Mnd
Hydro Shot +2 Mnd
Tail Slap +2mnd
Maelstrom +2mnd
Magic Hammer +2mnd
Awful Eye +1 Mnd
Memento Mori
Magic Fruit
Wild Carrot
Healing Breeze
Plasma Charge
Mindblast +1 mnd (lol)
Antinic Burst


Blm Sub: 59+61 Mnd
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...FIV/blmsub.jpg

Whm Sub: 64+61 mnd
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...FIV/whmsub.jpg

Awhile back I tested yigit boots vs Errant boots and seemed to only do about 5 more damage, anyone tested mahatma boots vs yigit?

[NynJa]

Blm Sub: 59+61 Mnd
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...FIV/blmsub.jpg

Whm Sub: 64+61 mnd
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...FIV/whmsub.jpg

Either the MAB JT you got from Magic Hammer and Memento Mori is equivalent to MAB2, and not one...or something is horridly skewed.


or MAB2 is horribly weak, easily countered by 5 MND.

[Lordender]

i have never noticed blm sub doing more dmg than whm sub with mindblast

[Tonko]

Mahatma Pigaches > Yigit Crackows

Yigit Gages > Devotee's +1

[Tonko]

Did some testing.

Ice Day

Burst Affinity always used.

Wild Rabbits as target.

BLU/WHM, fully merited +blue skill
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Gear: Jupiter's, Phantom, Yigit Turban, Promise Badge, Communion Earring, Moldavite, Mahatma Houppelande, Yigit Gages, Aqua, Tamas, Prism, Penitent's, Mahatma Slops & Pigaches.

Spells set: Mind Blast

MND: 64+61

Damage: 580
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Gear: Jupiter's, Phantom, Yigit Turban, Promise Badge, Communion Earring, Moldavite, Mahatma Houppelande, Devotee's +1, Aqua, Tamas, Prism, Penitent's, Mahatma Slops & Pigaches.

Spells set: Mind Blast

MND: 64+62

Damage: 571
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Gear: Jupiter's, Phantom, Yigit Turban, Promise Badge, Communion Earring, Moldavite, Mahatma Houppelande, Yigit Gages, Aqua, Tamas, Prism, Penitent's, Mahatma Slops, Yigit Crackows.

Spells set: Mind Blast

MND: 64+58

Damage: 580
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The above tests show my statement above about Yigit Gages + Mahatma Pigaches wasn't quite right. Mahatma Pigaches = Yigit Crackows, which suprised me.

Now I'm gonna play with some Magic Attack Bonus traits.
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Gear: Jupiter's, Phantom, Yigit Turban, Promise Badge, Communion Earring, Moldavite, Mahatma Houppelande, Yigit Gages, Aqua, Tamas, Prism, Penitent's, Mahatma Slops & Pigaches.

Spells set: Mind Blast, Sound Blast, Memento Mori (Added Magic Attack Bonus Trait)

MND: 64+61

Damage: 687
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Gear: Jupiter's, Phantom, Yigit Turban, Promise Badge, Communion Earring, Moldavite, Mahatma Houppelande, Yigit Gages, Aqua, Tamas, Prism, Penitent's, Mahatma Slops & Pigaches.

Spells set: Mind Blast, Sound Blast, Memento Mori, Heat Breath, Eyes On Me.(Do 2 magic attack bonus sets stack?)

MND: 64+61

Damage: 687
Can't have more than the initial Magic Attack Bonus Trait, so setting multiples does not increase like it does for Clear Mind.
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Changed to Thunder's Day at this point, so all further tests are with Rarin Obi
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Gear: Jupiter's, Phantom, Yigit Turban, Promise Badge, Communion Earring, Moldavite, Mahatma Houppelande, Yigit Gages, Aqua, Tamas, Prism, Rarin Obi, Mahatma Slops & Pigaches.

Spells set: Mind Blast, Reactor Cool, Magic Hammer, Memento Mori, Amplification

MND: 64+61

Damage: 755
Then I put on Memento Mori
Damage: 873 (15.63% increase)
Then I tried Amplification
Damage: 814 (7.81% increase)
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Memento Mori is twice as powerful as Amplification, so all further tests are with Memento Mori active.
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Gear: Jupiter's, Phantom, Yigit Turban, Promise Badge, Communion Earring, Moldavite, Mahatma Houppelande, Yigit Gages, Aqua, Tamas, Prism, Rarin, Mahatma Slops & Pigaches.

Spells set: Mind Blast, Reactor Cool, Magic Hammer, Memento Mori, Power Attack, Sprout Smack, Hydro Shot, Tail Slap, Bad Breath, Poison Breath, Venom Shell, Awful Eye, Cursed Sphere, Maelstrom. (Best possible +MND setup?)

MND: 64+86

Damage: 944

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Gear: Jupiter's, Phantom, Yigit Turban, Promise Badge, Communion Earring, Moldavite, Mahatma Houppelande, Yigit Gages, Aqua, Tamas, Prism, Rarin, Mahatma Slops & Pigaches.

Spells set: Mind Blast, Reactor Cool, Magic Hammer, Memento Mori, Power Attack, Sprout Smack, Hydro Shot, Tail Slap, Bad Breath, Poison Breath, Venom Shell, Awful Eye, Cursed Sphere, Maelstrom.

Ate a Mushpot
MND: 64+86

Damage: 996
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Gear: Jupiter's, Phantom, Yigit Turban, Promise Badge, Communion Earring, Moldavite, Mahatma Houppelande, Yigit Gages, Aqua, Tamas, Prism, Rarin, Mahatma Slops & Pigaches.

Spells set: Mind Blast, Reactor Cool, Magic Hammer, Memento Mori, Power Attack, Sprout Smack, Hydro Shot, Tail Slap, Bad Breath, Poison Breath, Venom Shell, Awful Eye, Cursed Sphere, Maelstrom.

Double MND Etudes
MND: 64+114

Damage: 1123
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Gear: Jupiter's, Phantom, Yigit Turban, Promise Badge, Communion Earring, Moldavite, Mahatma Houppelande, Yigit Gages, Aqua, Tamas, Prism, Rarin, Mahatma Slops & Pigaches.

Spells set: Mind Blast, Reactor Cool, Magic Hammer, Memento Mori, Power Attack, Sprout Smack, Hydro Shot, Tail Slap, Bad Breath, Poison Breath, Venom Shell, Awful Eye, Cursed Sphere, Maelstrom.

Double MND Etudes + Mind Potion
MND: 64+121

Damage: 1159
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Gear: Jupiter's, Phantom, Yigit Turban, Promise Badge, Communion Earring, Moldavite, Mahatma Houppelande, Yigit Gages, Aqua, Tamas, Prism, Rarin, Mahatma Slops & Pigaches.

Spells set: Mind Blast, Reactor Cool, Magic Hammer, Memento Mori, Power Attack, Sprout Smack, Hydro Shot, Tail Slap, Bad Breath, Poison Breath, Venom Shell, Awful Eye, Cursed Sphere, Maelstrom.

Soul Voiced Double MND Etude + Mind Potion
MND: 64+148

Damage: 1294
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Gear: Jupiter's, Phantom, Yigit Turban, Promise Badge, Communion Earring, Moldavite, Mahatma Houppelande, Yigit Gages, Aqua, Tamas, Prism, Rarin, Mahatma Slops & Pigaches.

Spells set: Mind Blast, Reactor Cool, Magic Hammer, Memento Mori, Power Attack, Sprout Smack, Hydro Shot, Tail Slap, Bad Breath, Poison Breath, Venom Shell, Awful Eye, Cursed Sphere, Maelstrom.

Soul Voiced Double MND Etudes, Mind Potion wore off, Azure Lore
MND: 64+138

Damage: 1422

http://ffxi.high-velocity.net/mindblast.png

So yeah. Take from that what you will.

[Lordender]

afaik memento mori is +20 Magic atk bonus, however there is no set number with amplification which would seem around 10 MAB.

[Tonko]

I'm going to go back with another MND potion & my Ugg pendant and see if I can kick it up just a bit more.

[Popsiclestick]

Tonko. . . wow . . .thats incredible damage for a BLU magic spell o.o;;

[Scythiroth]

Tonko. . . wow . . .thats incredible damage for a BLU magic spell o.o;;

Well, when you set all of your magic and gear to use that one spell, it better be doing good damage lol. That is awesome though Tonko, more reasons to continue levelling my BLU.

I really can't wait to try this kind of stuff....2 more levels, 6 more spells.

[Tonko]

Hmmmm, can anyone think of anything else I can do to boost damage? I'm pretty sure I have the best possible equipment setup (outside of Morrigan) but are there other things that would be better?

SMN Fenrir stat buff more than MND potion?

Uggleppih is more than +5 MND I know.

Anything else?

[aurik]

Novio!

[Tonko]

FUCK YOUR COUCH! FUCK IT IN THE ASS!
(I'll ask Kuno if I can borrow his)

[Terrance]

So yeah. Take from that what you will.

Thats one dead rabbit.

[Judai]

If you're lower level than the mob, then the chance to learn is greatly reduced. My personal belief is that each spell has a certain skill level required in order to learn it. Has anyone ever had super gimped BLU skill and learned a spell right at their level? Kinda hard to test once you're 75 with capped skill ... and would suck to test since you would have to essentially not use any magic while xping to get those levels.

You have to have a certain amount of Blu magic to learn a spell. It doesn't go by level, it goes by Blu magic. So even if you are 10 levels below but have gimped Blu magic you won't learn. The wiki lists it as lowest level able to learn but that means you have to have capped Blu magic at the level to learn.

I just learned Frenectic Rip off a NM 12 levels higher then me in 4 tries, so I would say player vs monster level means nothing. Had to pop Bukki 4 times but man that was alot easier then trying to break horns.

Like I said before, as long as you are of the proper blu magic level to learn a spell, it seems totally random. I have personally noticed if I am above the level to use a spell, I learn it easier but that is not necessarily always true. I've noticed no real difference in learning if you are above or below a monsters level.

I am a 58 BLU and this level I learned: (Jubbah and Bazubands equipped)

Lv58 spell: Flying Hip Press on 1st chance off a Lv35 Bugbear.
Lv60 spell: Death Scissors on 15th chance off a Lv35 Scorpion.
Lv60 spell: Dimensional Death on 2nd chance off a Lv54 Ka.
Lv63 spell: Frypan on 7th chance off a Lv35 Moblin.
Lv63 spell: Frenetic Rip on 4th chance off a Lv70 NM Bukki.
Lv64 spell: Feather Tickle on 5th chance off a Lv63 Lesser Colibri.
Lv65 spell: Zephyr Mantle on 3rd chance off a Lv68 Puk.

Have not learned a Lv61 spell: Bad Breath in 20 chances of Lv45 or 54 Roses and Anemones.

Chance as in how many times I saw the move. I killed more mobs then I listed in most circumstances.

So like I said, seems kinda random to me. Other then Bad Breath been having string of good luck tho^^

[aurik]

According to Chiz these tests have no validity due to them being conducted on Wild Rabbits.

[Tonko]

Luckily the phrase, "according to Chiz," has about as much validity as Bush saying, "I'm a mensa member!"

And much laughter was had by all.