Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[Tonko]

It's obvious that what weapon you have equipped, and your skill with that weapon is a primary factor in physical spell accuracy. We know this as a fact.

What isn't known quite as well, is what the effect that BLU skill has on accuracy. It could have a small boost to accuracy, or none at all.

Best way to tell is to have a person with a lv 37 BLU sub it on a job that has a weapon skill rating equal to BLU, with no other job traits effecting magic accuracy or physical accuracy, and then have a BLU sub that same job and then go spam headbutt out of melee range of worms in the Range. Have them wear the exact same gear and set the same spells. Same race too.

[LD]

LD, that's not what he was asking.

........Yea, ok.

Added effects are probably based on other values, but that guy asked a very direct question.
In what other way could anyone interpret his question?

You can't speak for him; that's just insulting his ability to, you know, digest information and come up with something himself.
There's a word for it...tip of my tongue.....


In any event, to be able to hit anything with 0 skill means that there has to be a hit rate minimum in some form.
Meaning it's more likely that BLU skill does not affect physical accuracy.
IIRC, BLU Skill's role, as it pertains to Physical damage, is the attack to a mob's defense.
That is probably the width & breadth of it's effect on Physical magic.

[Tonko]

LD, that's not what he was asking.

........Yea, ok.

Added effects are probably based on other values, but that guy asked a very direct question.
In what other way could anyone interpret his question?

You can't speak for him; that's just insulting his ability to, you know, digest information and come up with something himself.
There's a word for it...tip of my tongue.....

No where in his "very direct" question did he mention what type of weapon he had equipped. Now you are just being a condescending asshole, and a wrong one at that. He asked if Scorp harness was better than BLU AF1 for accuracy of spells. You went off on some equipped weapon tangent.

[Sho]

Well Tonko-Bro, you be straight with ya, there's only a few things that directly affects accuracy:

1) Sword/Club Skill (/w weapon).
2) Sword/Club Merits.
3) Sub Job Weapon Skill (low accuracy)
4) Accuracy+ Gear.
5) DEX

Blue Magic skill does factor into Physical Magic, but it functions as the "Attack" stat for every spell (tested on Mangragoras with Pinecone Bomb while I was lvling BLU up). To futher that up, Physical Potency can be looked at as effective Blue Magic Skill+ for Physical magic. There will be bare minimums to Acc with no gear at all, but it'll be solely from your DEX rating.

[Grandcross]

Well Tonko-Bro, you be straight with ya, there's only a few things that directly affects accuracy:

1) Sword/Club Skill (/w weapon).
2) Sword/Club Merits.
3) Sub Job Weapon Skill (low accuracy)
4) Accuracy+ Gear.
5) DEX

Blue Magic skill does factor into Physical Magic, but it functions as the "Attack" stat for every spell (tested on Mangragoras with Pinecone Bomb while I was lvling BLU up). To futher that up, Physical Potency can be looked at as effective Blue Magic Skill+ for Physical magic. There will be bare minimums to Acc with no gear at all, but it'll be solely from your DEX rating.

Pretty sure Blue Magic skill functions more like "D" or base damage for phyical blue spells.

[Sho]

Well Tonko-Bro, you be straight with ya, there's only a few things that directly affects accuracy:

1) Sword/Club Skill (/w weapon).
2) Sword/Club Merits.
3) Sub Job Weapon Skill (low accuracy)
4) Accuracy+ Gear.
5) DEX

Blue Magic skill does factor into Physical Magic, but it functions as the "Attack" stat for every spell (tested on Mangragoras with Pinecone Bomb while I was lvling BLU up). To futher that up, Physical Potency can be looked at as effective Blue Magic Skill+ for Physical magic. There will be bare minimums to Acc with no gear at all, but it'll be solely from your DEX rating.

Pretty sure Blue Magic skill functions more like "D" for phyical blue spells.

No sir. Every spell has it's own DMG (D) cap. For example Foot Kick is DMG 9, Bludgeon is DMG 21, and Sickle Slash is DMG 49. Upper tier spells like Disseverment and Vertical Cleave can't be ascertained, because of our lack of Blue Magic Skill (and STR on a lesser note) at the moment. Even though these spells have D caps, with increasing Blue Magic Skill and wearing the exact same gear, I've seen the damage dealt go higher on my Pinecone Bomb.

You can find info about the caps here: http://www.freewebs.com/vzx-01/index.htm

[Tonko]

Generally accepted to be true Sho, but how do you know it doen't have a factor that effects accuracy too? Playing devil's advocate here, because I don't think it does either, just curious what you're basing your claim on.

[FinalJustice]

I dont think tehres a way for sure to say Blu magic SKILL does not effect your accuracy of ALL your spells. I feel that it still helps determine resist rates etc etc. Which to me translates as Acc.

But like someone said, the best way i guess to possibly test this... is to have a job with similar stats to blu, and same gear, with no magic acc things what so ever sub /blu and sit there casting te same spell over and over and over.

I mean to me just about every other offensive magical skill in the game improves acc of spells, why would blu magic skill be that much different.

Neither side has put enough evidence before us to say it does or doesnt at this time.

[LD]

No where in his "very direct" question did he mention what type of weapon he had equipped. Now you are just being a condescending asshole, and a wrong one at that. He asked if Scorp harness was better than BLU AF1 for accuracy of spells. You went off on some equipped weapon tangent.

What?
How does a different weapon have anything to do with Blue Magic Skill affecting Physical Accuracy?

If you want reality, the fact is you can get acc from so many other places, BLUs seem to favor wearing AF body for the added damage and Magical Spell accuracy.

The question was very plainly "Does Blue Magic Skill Affect Physical Spell Accuracy?"
The answer is "All signs point to No. If it does, it is so minute compared to the bonus gained from your weapon, it's a non-issue."

[FinalJustice]

I could have sworn from JP interviews the dev team, said over and over that Blu magic acc was determined by skill, and the weapon equiped. I dont remember them making a speration in the definition. If they ever did i missed it.

[Judai]

No where in his "very direct" question did he mention what type of weapon he had equipped. Now you are just being a condescending asshole, and a wrong one at that. He asked if Scorp harness was better than BLU AF1 for accuracy of spells. You went off on some equipped weapon tangent.

What?
How does a different weapon have anything to do with Blue Magic Skill affecting Physical Accuracy?

If you want reality, the fact is you can get acc from so many other places, BLUs seem to favor wearing AF body for the added damage and Magical Spell accuracy.

The question was very plainly "Does Blue Magic Skill Affect Physical Spell Accuracy?"
The answer is "All signs point to No. If it does, it is so minute compared to the bonus gained from your weapon, it's a non-issue."

You should go back and read your own post. All you said was your weapon affects Acc and that's it and it didn't answer his question of does BLU magic affect Acc.

Does blue magic skill effect physical *accuracy*? I can only imagine it would...IF such is the case, would AF body not be better than SH? cannonball missed on me on nidhogg (WITH an accuracy build, PCC SH Potent Belt Woodsman sushi )

...Wow.


Not to be a total condescending asshole, BLU physical spell accuracy is based on your equipped weapon's accuracy.
You should always be using some type of sword when you cast physical spells.

No shit you should be using a sword and it had nothing to do with his question. Quiet down now.

Personally my spells seem really random. Sometimes my Disseverments soar at like 800s and sometimes they fail at like 200s. Maybe it's my lack of BLU Magic merits or something which would lead me to believe that BLU Magic does affect Acc. It seems like people usually use more STR then I do, as I generally use more Acc so I shouldn't be missing hits on the spells. Not really sure why mine vary so much and it's hard to determine what happens on each spell since you don't get TP returns and such.

[Sho]

Generally accepted to be true Sho, but how do you know it doen't have a factor that effects accuracy too? Playing devil's advocate here, because I don't think it does either, just curious what you're basing your claim on.

Rawr, back in a little late. Well, much like Final said after your post, I'm mainly basing my claim to that from a previous interview with the Dev Team, and then the update that came with the introduction of BLU; that Physical Magic Acc is based mainly on the Weapon Skill Level of your character, and then the corresponding Weapon equipped.

It seems pretty spot on to be the case, but if it's otherwise and I'm wrong, I wouldn't be surprised in the least-- Blue Magic Skill does more things than most other skills as it is already. Only thing I can think of to test is to unequip weapon, strip yourself clean of Acc gear, and wear DEX- gear... possibly have a DRK cast Absorb-DEX on you? lol Would be something very hard to test, I imagine.

[fantasticdan]

I could have sworn from JP interviews the dev team, said over and over that Blu magic acc was determined by skill, and the weapon equiped. I dont remember them making a speration in the definition. If they ever did i missed it.

They were talking about about changing physical magic acc to be dependent on blue magic skill, but that was never actually implemented.

Personally my spells seem really random. Sometimes my Disseverments soar at like 800s and sometimes they fail at like 200s. Maybe it's my lack of BLU Magic merits or something which would lead me to believe that BLU Magic does affect Acc. It seems like people usually use more STR then I do, as I generally use more Acc so I shouldn't be missing hits on the spells. Not really sure why mine vary so much and it's hard to determine what happens on each spell since you don't get TP returns and such.

Uhhh, sword merits? Suppa?

And tonko, if you're implying blue magic skill could have some retarded proportion to an acc bonus, like 50 skill = +1 acc, than yeah sure, it's possible, but that seems to ridiculous even for SE. Like I said before, if I put my rdm/blu just a bit ahead in accuracy, it ends up being more accurate with physical spells than my blu main.

[LD]

You should go back and read your own post. All you said was your weapon affects Acc and that's it and it didn't answer his question of does BLU magic affect Acc.

So...you're saying because I told him what actually acts as acc for physical BLU magic....is NOT answering his question?

Ok, seriously, I get it now.
You want me to tell someone not to give up hope and cling to some abstract theory instead of use what is known to work.

Well, you know, fuck that.
Yea, it wasn't the answer to his question, but since the answer to his question doesn't really matter, it's best to reenforce what does work.
I'm not going to take any part in producing a cadre of gimps who think they can cast BLU with a staff.
So excuse me for not indulging in your theorycraft.

Please, continue.

[Tonko]

So...you're saying because I told him what actually acts as acc for physical BLU magic....is NOT answering his question?

Yes, that's exactly what we're saying. He probably already knew that swords were the thing to have equipped when casting spells as he's leveled it at least far enough to wear Scorpion Harness. You didn't answer his question. You just decided to sound like an asshole, or to treat him like an idiot, for whatever reason.

Ok, seriously, I get it now.
You want me to tell someone not to give up hope and cling to some abstract theory instead of use what is known to work.

What abstract theory? That BLU magic skill might also have an effect on accuracy? Hardly abstract given what other magic skills do.

I'm not going to take any part in producing a cadre of gimps who think they can cast BLU with a staff.
So excuse me for not indulging in your theorycraft.

Where was staff mentioned in any of his comments or ours? Seriously, get off of your high horse.

[karril]

So..... hofud? Great sword? Or THE BEST SWORD?! >.>

[Tonko]

We'll decide once we find out how good the MP drain is on it. Teh HP drain also being there is quite sexy, I deffinentaly want one for my BLU. Would probably be dark based drain given it looks like Odin's sword.

[Not Kuno]

Definatly a sweet fking sword for blu. Would be nice if it had stats better then chr and mnd but I guess those arn't bad for magical blu mages.

[terraflarex]

Nerf BLU

[LD]

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but Hofud looks exactly like the sword Odin has in the updated dat.
Meaning that the sword, for better or worse, probably wont be seen until Valgrind.

If this is supposed to be the weapon that's 'as good as ridill' that they promised us, it better have an ungodly proc rate on that drain or one hell of a hidden effect.