Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[VZX]

I don't get it how you think we're among the weakest after update.

1handed pDIF (this applies to pDIF of physical blue magic) is too early to be said they are "nerfed"

[Arkanna]

I don't get it how you think we're among the weakest after update.

1handed pDIF (this applies to pDIF of physical blue magic) is too early to be said they are "nerfed"

You're right VZX, we haven't been nerfed. Just surpassed in effectiveness, that's all I guess. I'm probably just feeling butthurt.

It might just be that our "weaponskills" (Disseverment, Frenetic Rip, Hysteric Barrage) don't really compare to the numbers that a lot of other DD's can put out now. There's probably no comparison regardless, since our spells do not require TP to cast, but ... I dunno.

[fantasticdan]

Unless there were ninja updates for blu, it looks like it has been outclassed to bottom tier dd now, a long with thf and rng. On merit party mobs, blu was already behind war, mnk, etc., now sam, drk, drg are also way ahead. Seems like SA vertical cleave and cannonball at endgame are also going to be a joke compared to what war/thf, drk/thf, sam/thf, etc can do now.

[Mertron]

BLUs are still a viable damage option at hnms because spells dont feed the TP melee does. Also BLU is still better off at various kited fights, and hey we can always get swapped in at wyrm fights when they fly. Also I'm sure I'm going to be stuck coming BLU/WHM to events when everyone else decides to come as their previously useless 2h melee job. Oh, we still have temperance and the whole soloing imps deal.

When you see the screenshots of blus dropping 2000+ cannonballs on various mobs you cant expect the job to just die out, other melees were raised up to/surpassed us, but BLU will still have a place here and there at endgame.

With that being said I really dont care if we're less useful, for it's time to polish off the DRK.

[Judai]

BLU/THF will still rape HNMs and such. You are forgeting the big thing about BLU. We don't need TP to do massive damage. The only thing that holds us back is waiting on timers. We don't feed mobs TP and we don't need to TP up. DRKs, DRGs, etc still need TP. BLU, WAR, MNK, etc are still pwn DD and can do plenty of things or people can't.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

BLU/THF will still rape HNMs and such. You are forgeting the big thing about BLU. We don't need TP to do massive damage. The only thing that holds us back is waiting on timers. We don't feed mobs TP and we don't need to TP up. DRKs, DRGs, etc still need TP. BLU, WAR, MNK, etc are still pwn DD and can do plenty of things or people can't.

BLU's competition on HNM isn't melees, it's SMNs.

[Judai]

Didn't say it was, the guy above was worried BLU is useless now. I was merely stating what we are good at and why we will still be wanted for those things over the now buffed melee.

[Arkanna]

Didn't say it was, the guy above was worried BLU is useless now. I was merely stating what we are good at and why we will still be wanted for those things over the now buffed melee.

My concern is more on the meritting end of things than the HNM end. BLU went from a job that stood an ok chance of getting into a merit party (pre-patch) to a job that virtually has no chance in hell of getting into a merit party (post-patch).

I know it's pretty unimportant in the grand scheme of things, but it's still annoying.

[VZX]

On merit party mobs, blu was already behind war, mnk, etc., now sam, drk, drg are also way ahead.

Decked out WAR MNK NIN - yes (read MNK/WAR BB Full haste, Adaberk Ridill WAR, Speed build NIN)
Other than that, I still can compete with them Margin ±2% in parser with 3 man PT

[Judai]

The only way I merit on BLU is solo or BLUburn and it still pwns and we pull in 20k/hr. Just need to learn how to merit on the job. Geting a regular merit pt on BLU is fail cause you need refresh and/or ballad.

[Arkanna]

The only way I merit on BLU is solo or BLUburn and it still pwns and we pull in 20k/hr. Just need to learn how to merit on the job. Geting a regular merit pt on BLU is fail cause you need refresh and/or ballad.

Unfortunately it seems the only way BLU burns work is at Nyzul Bhaflau, on G. Colibri ... on my server, those camps are flooded with people at all times, usually at least one party full of VERY decked out players from one of the HNM shells as well as 3-5 parties that are trying to compete with them for birds. It ends up being a true clusterfuck.

I guess solo is the only real option for now, lol.

[Tomino]

i have this bad feeling too... not only about merit but exping BLU too. pre-patch BLU was overall nice in pty but now I'dnt invite any if the pimped 2h users are seeking; the mp dependancy is still there, and the big numbers from CASA are nothing much compared to current WSes.

HNM speaking, this reminds me of old SMN days : the newly introduced BP70 where amazing, just like CASA Cannonballs where up until monday. then melees got stronger and stronger and SMN became support and occasional DD on weird enemies with tp matters or flying, etc.
I'm a little /panic that BLU might follow this same pattern now that 2h users are back in action : support in tank party + DD in rare, specific occasions.

[Judai]

The only way I merit on BLU is solo or BLUburn and it still pwns and we pull in 20k/hr. Just need to learn how to merit on the job. Geting a regular merit pt on BLU is fail cause you need refresh and/or ballad.

Unfortunately it seems the only way BLU burns work is at Nyzul Bhaflau, on G. Colibri ... on my server, those camps are flooded with people at all times, usually at least one party full of VERY decked out players from one of the HNM shells as well as 3-5 parties that are trying to compete with them for birds. It ends up being a true clusterfuck.

I guess solo is the only real option for now, lol.

I only BLU burn @Hediva Isle. We clear Imps and Flayers with ease. Ballad/Mad for Flayers, just so you don't miss stuns. 2+BLU, BRD, RDM/whm.

[Arkanna]

The only way I merit on BLU is solo or BLUburn and it still pwns and we pull in 20k/hr. Just need to learn how to merit on the job. Geting a regular merit pt on BLU is fail cause you need refresh and/or ballad.

Unfortunately it seems the only way BLU burns work is at Nyzul Bhaflau, on G. Colibri ... on my server, those camps are flooded with people at all times, usually at least one party full of VERY decked out players from one of the HNM shells as well as 3-5 parties that are trying to compete with them for birds. It ends up being a true clusterfuck.

I guess solo is the only real option for now, lol.

I only BLU burn @Hediva Isle. We clear Imps and Flayers with ease. Ballad/Mad for Flayers, just so you don't miss stuns. 2+BLU, BRD, RDM/whm.

That's good to know. Perhaps I'll try that ... I'm not confident I'll be able to merit on BLU much anymore though. Might as well finish DRG off now, after all this time.

[Tonko]

Diffusion.

What does it work with, and what doesn't it work with?

Healing spells? Or only buffs? Exuviation? Anyone tested?

[NynJa]

BLUs are still a viable damage option at hnms because spells dont feed the TP melee does.

wut ??
last i heard dissevermet was feeding 50tp a pop

[Judai]

Don't have Diffusion but a BLU I xp'd with a couple times Exuviation'd me with it. Definately works with Exuviation, Cocoon and Amplification, idk about anything else, those are the only ones I have seen it used with.

and you don't use Disseverment on HNMs, maybe once every so often for the poison but def don't spam it, unless you are a noob.

[Tonko]

If it works with Exuviation I'd imagine it would work with Magic Fruit.

Interesting.

[VZX]

BLUs are still a viable damage option at hnms because spells dont feed the TP melee does.

wut ??
last i heard dissevermet was feeding 50tp a pop

That blu need to be kicked

SACA Cannonball is as strong as, if not stronger than good hit BLM nuke with equal TP feeding, 10 TP

[fantasticdan]

BLUs are still a viable damage option at hnms because spells dont feed the TP melee does.

wut ??
last i heard dissevermet was feeding 50tp a pop

You don't cast disseverment on hnm retard, and it's 5 hits, that's why it clocks 50tp. Vertical cleave, and cannonball give the mob 10tp, since they are single hit.

If it works with Exuviation I'd imagine it would work with Magic Fruit.

Interesting.

It doesn't work with magic fruit, pollen, or wild carrot, only the self-target buffs (all of them) and exuviation, unless it's been ninja updated.

I kinda figured they were going to add the last of the toau spells in the update, like white wind and demoralizing roar.