Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[Tonko]

It's more dps than Ifrits, but for just DoT, sure it pales to Demon slayer.

The issue is, our melee damage isn't where our strength lies. With shotel + Perdu, I can swap out some acc only pieces for strength pieces for spells, and still be at the accuracy cap.
Chiv chain instead of p.charm.
Warwolf instead of potent belt.
Morrigan's Slops instead of homam coscalies.
Balm satchet instead of Tiphia sting.
Probably wouldn't do all of the above at once, will have to see how the accuracy testing goes with this setup, but it's nice to have the option.

And more accuracy for Head Butt is always nice.

[Charismatic]

It's more dps than Ifrits, but for just DoT, sure it pales to Demon slayer.

The issue is, our melee damage isn't where our strength lies. With shotel + Perdu, I can swap out some acc only pieces for strength pieces for spells, and still be at the accuracy cap.
Chiv chain instead of p.charm.
Warwolf instead of potent belt.
Morrigan's Slops instead of homam coscalies.
Balm satchet instead of Tiphia sting.
Probably wouldn't do all of the above at once, will have to see how the accuracy testing goes with this setup, but it's nice to have the option.

And more accuracy for Head Butt is always nice.

I already do all of those swaps other than morrigan legs (since I don't have them) without a shotel and my acc doesn't really suffer.
If you have physical potency merits (which seem to have an effect on accuracy from what I can tell) and sword merits, I don't think it's a big deal.

[Tonko]

I've got both fully merited, but I find not being at the accuracy cap unacceptable. And with a new 6 hit spell looming in the dats, it'll be even more important not to miss a hit.

[Kaslo]

lol@onehandedweapondelay, really with the normal Haste setup you will barely even notice the delay in shotel...

[Tonko]

Gives more TP per hit too, saving me a round of melee to get to 100, so probably gaining TP at an equivical rate to Perdu/slayer.

[Delekii]

On g.colibri, lets say you have
276 acc from sword skill (full merits)
Chiv Chain + Perdu Blade
+40 acc from dex
Madrigal
Sushi
All other slots are +wsc stats

411 acc, 405 caps on the highest level birds. That is with no acc gear apart from chiv chain and perdu blade.

Without sushi, your acc is 358, meaning that you will be nowhere near capped acc on spells without wearing much, much more acc gear than that, even with shotel (need an extra +40acc somewhere - easy for melee, but giving up a ton of wsc for spells). Of course, it might be different if acc is what potency merits does, but who knows, really.

I'm not saying that Shotel is a bad weapon, I would probably use it if I had it too. I'm saying that there is no way in hell I would spend that much time going for a chance at getting what is probably equal to a buyable AH weapon

[fantasticdan]

It's more dps than Ifrits, but for just DoT, sure it pales to Demon slayer.

+3 STR, +10 atk on ifrit's is pretty significant, and now that I think about it, might outdo the 0.23 DPS advantage shotel has really, but I'm no mathmagician.

[Sho]

Geez, I need to farm materials for a Devil Slayer soon.

[Rescue]

All right since we are on the topic of swords I figured I’d ask this question. What is a good sword combo to use when you don’t have perdu or shotel?

[VZX]

Slayer/Ifrit
or
Martial/Ifrit
or
... fuck, someone need to give some effort onto their gear >.>

[huckster]

All new BLU spells complilation:

This is a compilation of all new BLU spells that are already in the downloaded files. Infos in the dats suggest it's origins:
fly_dsn0 - Gnat Attack
slg_acd0 - Slugg (Acid?)
wlf_mus0 - Gnole Attack
raf_tan0 - Rafflesia Attack
ldy_sls0 - Ladybug Attack

Watch it now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTi02bmi_IM

Big thanks to Solarus for providing info!! Thx!

[fantasticdan]

I'm guessing;

Gnat - Single hit piercing
Gnoll - 6-hit slashing chance of critical varies with TP
Slug - AoE attack down (+damage maybe?)
Ladybug - Hastega, or maybe regen-aga.

[Delekii]

if blu gets hastega...................

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there is no heart big enough.

edit: the ladybug one seems like a new effect, i seriously doubt it's haste. with dancer and scholar coming i'm sure there will be new kinds of buff.

[eva00r]

Gnoll - 6-hit slashing chance of critical varies with TP

overrated.

[Judai]

idk where you came up with some of those ideas~

Gnat- Looks like a status effect spell but at the end it looks to cover you in a cloud.
Slug- Same as above, looks like a conal status effect but also in the end covers you in the slime.
Rafflesia- Start looks like Speed Spit or whatever, common Raff move in other FFs but again, at the end it seems like it buffs you or something again.

They all look like possible Status effects or buffs or maybe some new type of combonation spell. I'll say, all three spells look much better then older BLU Spells that were very plain.

Gnole- Yea, looks like 6-Hit spell, idkaboutthecriticalblabla...
Ladybug- Yea, looks like a buff spell but it doesn't look AoE, I really doubt Hastega. If you want to speculate AoE Haste you might as well toss out there self Refresh or some shit~

[Kaslo]

Slug- Same as above, looks like a conal status effect but also in the end covers you in the slime.

I love how people don't know how Altana Viewer works...

[fantasticdan]

Gnat- Looks like a status effect spell but at the end it looks to cover you in a cloud.
Slug- Same as above, looks like a conal status effect but also in the end covers you in the slime.
Rafflesia- Start looks like Speed Spit or whatever, common Raff move in other FFs but again, at the end it seems like it buffs you or something again.

All of those animations will show up on the mob in game, not the player.

If you want to speculate AoE Haste you might as well toss out there self Refresh or some shit~

The spell is coming from those ladybug mobs, them being casters and refreshing themselves with a tp move is extremely unlikely, however hasting themselves is not. You can also see this animation has two parts, the glowing ball flying around, than the buff on the player, which looks like an aoe buff to me. Of coarse it could be some new type of buff like regain, who knows.

My reasoning for the others is simple;

Out of our multihit attacks not useless at 75, with have three blunt, one piercing, and no slashing. And out of all of the multi-hit spells we have 1-75, all of them are "accuracy varies with tp" or "damage varies with tp", no critical mod, at this point I think a critical multi-hit is likely.

Same thing with the single hit looking bite spell, we have 3 SATA spells to use at 75; death scissors, cannonball, and vertical cleave. That's two slashing and one blunt, no piercing, infact we don't have a single hit piercing attack that stacks with SATA at any level. Add to this eclipse BITE looks pretty similar and is piercing.. yeah.

Slug slime attack certainly looks like some kinda debuff. We already have plenty of defense down, slow, but no attack down, which is something I think most of us thought we would get from wivre. Could be a new type of debuff or a combination, like magic attack down + attack down in one or multi-base stat down. Other debuffs like para, blind, etc don't really fit the animation.

Knowing SE logic doesn't always(usually) apply, but that is what I would speculate based on the animation and what we already have.

[Judai]

Slug- Same as above, looks like a conal status effect but also in the end covers you in the slime.

I love how people don't know how Altana Viewer works...

Don't have, never used. I love how people act like everyone should know how it works... Care to explain? I'm guessing from your idiotic statement I missed something and maybe only the first part of the animation would be the spell or the final part is supposed to show up on the enemy. Let's be a jerk though and basically call people idiots instead of explain what's wrong with what I'm looking at.

The BLU spell animations in game generally are not all the different from the actual moves so it is safe to say that it's the same thing. I don't know of many mob attacks that cover themselves in "slime" or "clouds". Usually the mob does one or the other, hence my statement about the moves but with my limited experience with Altana Viewer I can only go on what I see and I guess there is something wrong with what I see.

I didn't say the guy was wrong, just said they didn't look like that to me. Not too mention everything said about the mobs has been about status effects and such. I was basically agreeing with the Slug move, idk about attack down but it's possible, it just seemed odd that the player was "coated" after the move. Again, since one person had to make a jerk comment I'm guessing I missed something since I don't have Altana Viewer. Just going off what I saw and I didn't say you were wrong. Just said the Ladybug move doesn't look AoE and idk about a second Haste spell, seems unlikely but anything is possible. Would kinda defeat the purpose of our shitty Cat2 Merit though, lol.

I personally don't care to specualte much more then what I see, guessing things like "critical hits varies with TP" is a bit far, so I just said idk about that but why don't we all be a little more defensive about our off the wall specualtions!

[rath]

Gnat- Looks like a status effect spell but at the end it looks to cover you in a cloud.
Slug- Same as above, looks like a conal status effect but also in the end covers you in the slime.
Rafflesia- Start looks like Speed Spit or whatever, common Raff move in other FFs but again, at the end it seems like it buffs you or something again.

We already have plenty of defense down, slow, but no attack down, which is something I think most of us thought we would get from wivre.

Knowing SE logic doesn't always(usually) apply, but that is what I would speculate based on the animation and what we already have.

Terror touch does what again?

[Rheya]

The spell is coming from those ladybug mobs, them being casters and refreshing themselves with a tp move is extremely unlikely

Why is it unlikely? Pots use a TP move to give themselves back MP (Battery Charge). Is it useful to the mob? No, not really, but they still do it...

Also, as stated above, Terror Touch = attack down.

Edit: I don't think it's likely that we'd get a self-refresh spell though. That's still not to say that it's not unlikely that a mob wouldn't get one.