Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[LD]

Diffusion's recast prevents you from being any more of a buffer than you were before, so it's effectively useless. Since there are jobs that have spells or abilities that are roughly equal to or greater than anything a BLU has, Diffusion is a novelty at best, a wasted merit that you'll use just because you want to at worst.

That said, if the recast were made to be like Feint's, the uniqueness of BLU buffs would be of greater consequence and the job could actually be used as a true buffer.


Assimilation is probably the most practical Group2 to merit, next being Convergence, if you regularly nuke as some BLUs do. Some people think Enchainment is good, but I don't think it'll be worth it until they boost G2 upgrades to 5. At any rate, Diffusion is pretty much the worst since you'll only be using it 5 times an hour for something that most jobs can either do themselves or get more regularly from another job.

[Judai]

The one and only good use for Diffusion is using it with Exuviation and Erasing soemthing bad your whole party. Otherwise it's worthless and a waste of merits.

[Nazrious]

Hmm exuv is something didn't even think about.
In terms of nuking I rarely if ever even equip a magical blue spell unless it serves a purpose for like JT, stats, or something so convergance is rather meh for me.

tho I could see some possible uses for diff prolly wont bother goign any further then unlocking it.

Now if only the AF2s and relics were in the game then I could have some real goals set for blu other then maxing merits.

[LinktheDeme]

The one and only good use for Diffusion is using it with Exuviation and Erasing soemthing bad your whole party. Otherwise it's worthless and a waste of merits.

could use it for memonto mori and use scholar helix. Anyways aside from scholar what about for blm which has better usage memento mori or amplification. I was thinking amplification would be better because it lasts a minute and thirty seconds where as memento mori lasts only 30 seconds.

[shukuffxi]

Diffusion isn't ALL bad. I think it's worth the 1 merit to unlock, because you end up finding random times where it is useful, usually BCNM/KSNM/Mission, or some such. Like others have said, it's overall usefulness is destroyed by it's freaking massively retarded recast, but I know i've used it to do Diffusion>Saline Coat, or in a BC where i've had stuff like MNK/WAR or WAR/SAM for a zerg and added a bit of protection with Diffusion>Zephyr Mantle, in addition to Diamondhide. The other BLU Tier 2 merits aren't SO AWESOME that putting a single merit in Diffusion is that bad.

But the only way it'll ever become useful is if SE drops it to a possible 5 minute timer.

[Lordender]

don't even know what SE was smoking when they came up with diffusion, its fucking terrible.

[Delekii]

Diffusion Exuviation on 6 people gives you as much total emnity as Invincible gives to a PLD, except that half of it is cumulative emnity rather than all being decaying like Invincible. If you are planning on tanking with your BLU, it is invaluable, even with only 1 merit in it.

[fantasticdan]

Diffusion's recast prevents you from being any more of a buffer than you were before, so it's effectively useless. Since there are jobs that have spells or abilities that are roughly equal to or greater than anything a BLU has, Diffusion is a novelty at best, a wasted merit that you'll use just because you want to at worst.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Yes, it's usefulness is diminished by the recast timer, but it's far from useless. It's great for ENMS, KSNM, missions, and many short nm fights or zerg type things where you wouldn't be able to use it more than once anyway, even if the recast time was halved.

Some examples: refuelingaga for low man BC battle like ODS, saline coat-aga in preparation for big magic damage, zephyr mantle-aga on shadowless dds before some zerg fights. Diffusion exviuation is also crazy if you want to tank shit, seems to be more hate than anything else in the game?...

No diffusion isn't game breakingly amazing, but it's worth the initial unlock if you do anything besides solo or meripo on blu. Not like the other blu tier 2 merits are that great anyway, aside from at least unlocking convergence.

[Sho]

I still think to this day Diffusion should be a 5 min recast initially. Not putting in merits for it until they make it so. That or SE increasing the total limit on Tier 2 merits.

[Kaslo]

Warm-Up is good for merit parties is nice too, I would rather give my party warmup for 3/20th of the time than 0/20th of the time.

Amplification for BLMs at stuff like Niddhogg isn't too bad either considering you get the MAB longer than Memento Mori and get some protection from wing spam.

Saline Coat for JoL

and more options than I care to name. I guess PLDs should throw away Chivalry because it's 20 min recast aswell :/

all in all Diffusion is too unique not to have for situations imo.

[Delekii]

I still think to this day Diffusion should be a 5 min recast initially. Not putting in merits for it until they make it so. That or SE increasing the total limit on Tier 2 merits.

5 minute recast on diffusion = incredibly broken

[kuronosan]

Any more broken than a 4 minute recast on Accession?

[Dammerung]

Any more broken than a 4 minute recast on Accession?

Considering that's all SCH has going for it...

[Delekii]

Any more broken than a 4 minute recast on Accession?

Does accession give you access to a 7000 emnity spell on a job that can adequately tank? If the answer is yes, then yes, it is broken.

[FinalJustice]

Simple... adjust the ridiculous hate you get from Exuviation, and problem is solved. I dont WANT all that hate, and i had to find out about the hate the hard way because i simply didnt know. A shorter diffusion timer would hardly be broken. And i cant think of many situations where i would really want to tank something anyway and for very long. And the Enmity you get from it just seems wrong to me. The insane recast timer on Diffusion, and the terrible buff duration of 90% of blu spells make it a simple novelty.

[Nazrious]

Oh wow was unawares of the whole 7000 hate thing...

But yeah the whole recast thing is the only thing that keeps me from tossing any more points into it.

I'd even take something like 10 min timer and also doubles duration of spells /strengthens them.

Like a 6 min refulinga or a 500-700 HPskin on diamondhide.

hell even a 10 min recast would be nice.

[Suiram]

Simple... adjust the ridiculous hate you get from Exuviation, and problem is solved. I dont WANT all that hate, and i had to find out about the hate the hard way because i simply didnt know. A shorter diffusion timer would hardly be broken. And i cant think of many situations where i would really want to tank something anyway and for very long. And the Enmity you get from it just seems wrong to me. The insane recast timer on Diffusion, and the terrible buff duration of 90% of blu spells make it a simple novelty.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather keep BLU as capable of being an excellent tank, than nerf it to allow us to become mediocre buffers.

[FinalJustice]

Yea, because Blu's everywhere rely on Exuviation to do any tanking Amirite?

[fantasticdan]

Yea, because Blu's everywhere rely on Exuviation to do any tanking Amirite?

I like to do it to be a dick to our tanks, if that counts. I like the fact that my blu with zero tanking gear, and zero +enmity can generate more hate than plds who've spent years gearing themselves for it.

:nikkei:

[FinalJustice]

Yea, because Blu's everywhere rely on Exuviation to do any tanking Amirite?

I like to do it to be a dick to our tanks, if that counts. I like the fact that my blu with zero tanking gear, and zero +enmity can generate more hate than plds who've spent years gearing themselves for it.

:nikkei:

Hehe kinda like brds used to do with Mazurka.