Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[LinktheDeme]

Hmm, Now both of you are giving very weak arguments on why Euxviation in its current form isnt broken. The spell alone will not allow you to cement hate on yourself. The fact that Diffussion takes that hate and multiplies it by 6 should be your glraing clue about its oversite by SE. Blu has not seen a single update since diffusion. With 60% of Blu spells in need of some sort of \"adjustment\", I cant believe you are defending something that neds diffusion just to be viable. Ppl who want to actually cure their party cant use it, because the tank wont get it off them. The hate doesnt diminish, clearly something is wrong. The problem is Diffusion multiplies the hate by 6, and thats the bottom line.

And as far as you going on and on about how super amazing blu is as a tank endgame. Post video of YOU tanking something amazing better then any WAR can, on par with NIN PLD or RDMs or simply STFU. Explain what you tanked, and whether you solo tanked or had to co tank. Put your money where your mouth is, or go to hell. If Blu is to be an awsome tank, it shouldnt need Euxivation from diffusion to do it. Cementing non diminishing hate on yourself at the start of a fight without curing a single status, or restoring a single amount of HP to someone is fucking broken, and I guarantee when this tactic becomes more popular and SE notices it, there will be a nerf. Get the fuck over it.

Yes, lets leave Diffusion the worth blu cat2 merit at 20 min, just so some ppl insisting to tank averagely on BLU can feel good about something, and ignore the fact a shorter timer on i would benefit more of the blu population who DD enfeeble, and buff. Just because a BLU can main heal doesnt mean anyone cares about it. And no one gives a shit about a blu tank. The fact you must depend on a cruch to get it going shows how pathetic it is.

Wow you know nothing about tanking if you think that Blue Mage needs diffusion exuviation to tank. Blue mage has the capability of tanking on equal levels as RDM NIN and PLD. (Maybe even better if people actually tried?) Blue mage has a lot of spells that generate a lot of CE for low mp cost (I.E. their dispels and such) and they even have a few VE spells Actinic Burst being pretty much on par with flash, as is their stun. Before talking learn the values of enmity generated by spellshttp://kanican.livejournal.com/13848.html . Now gtfo troll

The only thing i'd say about blue mage tanking is that it isn't a solution on something kited because of the range that you have to be in for spells

[Suiram]

Not going to respond to TruBlu because he's another idiot that doesn't read. LinktheDeme more or less hit it on the head in his last post. Subpar on kited fights, as well as JoL (because you can't get in range to use the high-VE spells, although BLU/DRK might be reasonable since you can utilize the high-VE spells and abilities available to /drk, though I don't have it levelled to try myself) and Fafnir (because all the good VE spells aside from Exuviation are AoE). What makes BLU tanking work isn't even the high CE generated by Exuviation--in fact Blank Gaze will build CE 3x as fast for only 1.25x the MP cost--it's the ability to easily exceed the VE decay by utilizing multiple spells. If you take away the hate generated by Exuviation (again, for the thick-headed people reading this, single-target, not necessarily diffused), you will have a difficult time building VE, if not impossible, particularly on a mob like Khimaira where you can't use Temporal Shift. The beautiful part about Exuviation specifically is that while you're primarily using it for most of the fight to increase your VE, it's performing the secondary function of helping keep your CE at the cap once you reach it, against the hate loss from eating shadows and taking AoE damage. That's really all there is to it, and anyone who says that makes it broken has a different definition of 'broken' than I do, to be sure.

[Araius]

LD sounds like a psychology major using big words to attempt to refute someone else's point in order to cover up not having a rebuttal to it. Example in this case being the comparison of Flash to Exuviation.

I'll allow this much: I do believe Diffusion + Exuviation's potency as far as a hate spike to be an oversight on SE's part. But I also believe Exuviation's base hate factor was intentional, just like Flash's. Again though (and both sides of the argument have said this in one way or another), Exuviationga is not going to make or break one's overall tanking potential since it can only be used every 15-20 minutes. You're talking Invincible-like usefulness as far as a hate spike goes there. Great for emergencies, but once you've burned it, thats all you get. As far as Exuviationga's hate being detrimental to non-tanking BLU's...uh...don't use it then. I daresay that 99% of the time there are far better uses for a 20 minute ability than Erasega. If you want to bitch to someone about it, bitch to SE. They'll be more than happy to show you where you can take your opinion, I'm sure

I can't check LJ here at work so I'm not sure what that link was, but is it that Galka BLU who was probably one of the first people privy to BLU's endgame tanking potential? If that's him, keep in mind he has gear beyond what any average BLU tank is going to have - namely Shadow Mantle. With Shadow Mantle I don't doubt BLU can tank every bit as well as a PLD, but that's an extreme case. That being said, even without Shadow Mantle, BLU is still a plenty capable tank, I'd argue in many cases to be 3rd in effectiveness behind NIN and PLD, ahead of WAR. In other words, they're good enough at it for them to be recognized as an effective and feasible tank. However, due to several factors, they haven't been generally accepted (60% of BLU's are level 75 bludgeon-spammers, and another 30% don't have great tanking gear readily available, not to mention the general populace's disdain for anything related to tanking that doesn't involve NIN or PLD)

Cliffs:
1. Exuviation by itself isn't broken, and won't be fixed. Even if it was it probably wouldn't be fixed, this is SE, remember.
2. Diffusion + Exuviation probably is broken, but it's long recast makes it a pretty minor issue.
3. BLU can tank. Well. But there are too many people afraid to attempt it for them to be generally accepted, unless you're in an LS that -knows- you're capable of it, and you've done it plenty before.

[Suiram]

I don't know what livejournal you're referring to, but you certainly don't need a shadow mantle. In fact I doubt you'd get enough benefit from it to make it worth using over a high breath mantle or resentment cape, at least not in the fights a BLU can excel at tanking to begin with.

[Araius]

Yeah I don't remember what LJ it was. I just remember it was probably a good year ago, it was a Galka tanking Tiamat with Shadow Mantle and I instantly got a quarter chub. Wasn't sure if it was the same guy or not, but the name didn't sound familiar.

[LD]

Araius, your psychoanalysis is a bit iffy. You being confused or lost in my verbosity doesn’t mean I’m trying to hide anything and you never said what, exactly, I was trying to refute. Though I may force you to read, in its entirety, everything I've said to properly challenge my point, paying attention to everything that is said is common courtesy. It's not my fault if people choose not to follow that or are somehow unable (or unwilling) to follow my line of reasoning.

That said Araius, I believe you to be the most reasonable person who is disagreeing with me. You expressed your differing opinion while understanding my stance. I’ve also stated I believed the base hate to be mostly intentional (and that the rest is simply an oversight), but I believe it was originally going to be more like the mob version (complete status wipe + healing for each status removed) in which case, it would be MORE than reasonable. While I haven't personally seen a BLU tank any HNM (most BLU will tank regularly at one point/form or another), I have never, at any point, denied that it wasn't capable in it. However, that still does not necessarily make it as good as or better than the kings of the hill (though I'm sure it could be better than WAR, the job has had a rough time in that position for a while). To be as reliable as a the mainstays of PLD/NIN & NIN/DRK is saying a lot, even RDM needed time to gain validity there. Since I'm in the majority thinking this, that puts the burden of proof on you. I still maintain that it is currently lesser than those 3, even if its possibly better than I'm aware, so I stand by my original point of "If you have the best, the rest doesn't matter."

For the rest of you, this is gunna be fun as hell.


Niro, at no point did I imply that I meant anything outside of tanking circles when I said nothing that isn't the best matters, but I'll go head on anyway. Are you honestly trying to tell me that if a competent RDM is present (which is pretty much always), a BLM's enfeebles (beyond the vague possibility of Shock, et al.) are really that important? As for RDM, I don't remember saying RDM wasn't one of the best healers also. We all know it's an ubermensch and is regularly, if not usually, preferred as much as WHM, sometimes more so if no one needs to be curebombed or is afraid to die (or eat an R1). That would mean it would be one of the best healers, wouldn't it? Unlike many other roles, the gulf in healing doesn't get as wide, or at least the 'specialist' has stopped being significantly better for a long time. Yes, they'll be used, in the same way a lesser tank or DD might be used, but if they have the option of using the best, the rest will not be considered. I don't care how good a friend you have, no one is going to pick a BLU over an Aegis PLD, and God knows how many Aegis' there are today. This is not an opinion, but an observable fact. People speak of it happening, tanks regularly whine about not getting enough action due to their lack of the correct job or the fewer opportunities to get the gear they need to compare. Even Ninjas.

Yea, so my declaration of inordinate is a big-fat baseless opinion, like saying Exuviation isn't an oversight? If only I had SOMETHING to base it on, liiikkkkeee what it does and then compare that to similar spells. Hm...Oh, but I'm sorry, you're basing your opinion on 'I'm sure SE meant for this to happen, I'm super sure. It lets me do something I really wanna say I can do*, so it must be just for meee!' Air-tight. At the very least, admit I have a valid opinion even if you don't want to admit I'm basing it on something that we can both see. We cannot argue the current effect of Exuviationga and we cannot argue its given benefits. The only thing we can really argue is whether or not some of the benefits are required and whether they should block its use by other play styles for what we believe to be the greater good. No, I haven’t refuted that Exuviationga helps tanks, because that’s the problem; not that it helps tanks, but that it ONLY helps tanks.

Flash doesn't create the same amount of CE as Exuviation, nowhere near. It gives essentially none (well, 1), what it DOES give a lot of is VE, the disappearing hate. Meaning, you cannot fairly compare the two since Flash hate will not stick, it will eventually fade, unlike (half of) the hate currently given by Exuviation. It is used for a purpose and gives hate in proportion to that purpose, as you've said. We have both noted that it is comparable to Blind "A whm's blind has a lot of hate and doesn’t last a long time, but a rdm's blind creates a comparably smaller spike, and lasts a while." I wonder what that might be related to? What has the stronger effect?...And BLU has Flash, none of you have even tried to refute the fact that Exuviationga is only used for hate, which is unlike Flash, since even with the large amount of VE it gives, when it is used for its secondary purpose (lowering acc, possibly for a NIN to get shadows up), the danger is not as great. The hate will fade more easily. Another thing you haven't tried to refute is that it fucks over the alternate play style. The lack of Exuviationga's monster hate will change nothing for a tanking BLU who does his job right, but what gives you the right to totally disregard the desires people who wish to be their own type of BLU, a people you so selflessly champion? Or are you going to say you need it more than them? Is a tanking BLU actually dependant on it? Is that your opinion on the matter? Of course they wont use it NOW, but why shouldn't they use it for a different purpose more easily? Even WHM can eventually slip out of Flash hate when the other jobs create large amounts of both types of hate. Oh, but I'm sorry, apparently my opinion is invalid since apples are, in fact, oranges.

Link, just because he might be a little ignorant of BLU tanking does not invalidate the rest of his point and you have to acknowledge it. This essentially keeps Diffusion from being more practical on the whole, and none of you seem to care. You are absorbed in this BLU tanking fascination while being completely hypocritical when it comes to the OTHER alternate play style, Healing and buffing. Either you cannot grasp this or you do not care, but either way, you should be ashamed for not at least trying to understand and look for a middle ground. I even suggested that the VE for the move be increased to compensate for the CE lost, but you people just keep plowing on with ‘it can and no one else really uses Diffusion, so it was meant to be used for this.’ Or even better. ‘Exuviationga isn’t best for healer BLUs, so why does it matter?’ Flash is nothing but VE, really, and it’s used as a great hate move. You still wanna say you need that CE?

C’mon, fess up to your apathy and hypocrisy and then try to argue against my degradation of what you believe to be so important. I am not trying to ruin tank BLUs, I am looking for a middle ground between them and healer/support BLU and to make you see your selfishness. I will repeat myself once more: It doesn’t have to give a broken amount of hate to be a good hate move.

*Just in case people take this the wrong way, I'm not convinced everyone defending BLU tanking tank with it regularly or in any capacity.


AND YOU WILL KNOW MY NAME IS THE LORD...

WHEN I LAY MY VENGEANCE UPON THEE....

[Tonko]

Christ on a stick, LD, just shut the fuck up. Honestly. You're wrong, accept it and move on. Your smoke and mirrors aren't fooling anyone here.

[Takiwaki]

Man i cant wait for the final conclusion of this debate. its going to totally revolutionize the way we play blu! god im exicted!

[LD]

Christ on a stick, LD, just shut the fuck up. Honestly. You're wrong, accept it and move on. Your smoke and mirrors aren't fooling anyone here.

How are words smoke & mirrors? Are you confusing 'wrong' with 'I disagree, so it must be wrong'? Why don't you argue instead of saying 'because I said so'? If I had nothing to contest, I wouldn't be saying a damn thing, would I? If I didn't, like I'm sure you all think, then people wouldn't be at least partially agreeing with me. Read, know my position, then try again. If you can really come up with something other than STFU, I'm a reasonable man, but you have to have a point.

[Kaslo]

Christ on a stick, LD, just shut the fuck up. Honestly. You're wrong, accept it and move on. Your smoke and mirrors aren't fooling anyone here.

How are words smoke & mirrors? Are you confusing 'wrong' with 'I disagree, so it must be wrong'? Why don't you argue instead of saying 'because I said so'? If I had nothing to contest, I wouldn't be saying a damn thing, would I? If I didn't, like I'm sure you all think, then people wouldn't be at least partially agreeing with me. Read, know my position, then try again. If you can really come up with something other than STFU, I'm a reasonable man, but you have to have a point.

People don't agree with me... clearly they are wrong!

[Tonko]

*sigh* I wasn't saying his opinion was wrong, his methodology for discussing the issue is. I personally have no opinion on the BLU tanking issue, but reading LD's posts, it's like he veils his points with unnecessary pomp & circumstance, and he doesn't argue his point based on it's merits, he argues to prove someone else wrong. Just very annoying to read.

In the end, no one can say what SE intended or didn't intend. BLU is a viable tank, same that BRD/NIN was. SE "fixed" BRD/NIN, but right now they haven't fixed BLU, and that's all that can really be said about the matter.

[TruBlu]

To LinktheDeme:

Maybe you should read again you fucking moron. Because just because i called it average tank, doesnt mean i said it sucked, Im fucking well aware of hate from blu spells thank you very much, you dont fucking NEED Euviationga and thats my fucking point. Blu doesnt NEED Euxviationga to fucking tank. And thats what this argument is about.

People said that Diffusion blows, and is the worse blu cat2. Which it is! Due simply because of its ridiculous recast time of 20 min. People want it recast set to 10 min, and then reducible even further through merits. Someone objected to this because he likes to tank on blu and feels the hate spam would be broken because of the INSANE amount of easy and non corrosive hate you get from Diffusion Exuviation, because it takes an already high hate spell and multiplies that hate times 6. Others suggest that simply reduce the hate you get from DIFFUSSION EXUVIATION simply because that AMOUNT of cemented non corrosive hate on a simple ERASE and 80 hp is uneccesarry, and prevents any actual use of the spell to do what it was intended to do, Heal and cure the party. As stated over and over 99% of blus focus on what blu does best, DD, enfeeble, cure, enhance. So a lower Diffusion recast would benefit blus everywhere, and open the job to more viable applications of sharing its self buffs with ppl more frequently.

The reason why ppl are arguing about EUXVIATION, is because the NEED for the 1% of blus who insist on tanking, to use EuviationGA as justification for leaving Diffusion at such a stupid recast time. They want us to believe that Euxviation ALONE is what makes diffusion a GREAT Merit, despite it SUCKING ASS on everything else. When if Euviation was meant to be a viable tanking option it wouldnt fucking NEED diffision to do it in the first place. INSTANT mega hate rivaling a divine seal Curaga 3 on 5 red HP tanks, and invincible, when you have not cured a single drop of HP and not removed a single debuff is broken beyond measure. NO BS you can say will justify that. Nirokun says that Delekii proved his case that Euviationga ALONE is justification for keeping Diffusion unviable in frequent use to support the party better then blu already can? Get the fuck outta here with that shit. The reason why they dont want diffusion timer lowered because it will shed a GLARINGLY bright spot light on how BROKEN Diffusion Exuviation is and the rancid amount of Non diminishing hate it gives.

I say Exuviation SHOULD be the mob version. It has a full 1 min timer, while regular erase has 15 sec timer. It should remove all enfeebles, and restore HP relative to each enfeeble removed. And the more enfeebles you remove, and more hP restored more hate should be generated. But its hate should not be ridiculously filled with non diminishing hate. Hate from regular Exuviation isnt the problem, as it CANNOT BE SPAMMED, so the hate in the end doesnt matter.

But i love how some of you have turned this into a case on if blu is a good tank or not, which is not the fucking argument here. Go back a couple of pages and read again, because LD did not say BLU CANT TANK. He said in the grand scheme of things using euviation as justification for leaving Diffusion shitty, is not important enough because Blu is just as a novelty as a war or rdm tanking something, which is, no one really cares. Fearing that crappy blus who need Diffusion Exuviation just to effortlessly hold hate will lose its novelty is not justification for keeping a shitty merit like diffusion shitty.

The reason why i challenged them to post videos is because im sick of hearing from every tom dick and harry about how awesome blu is as a tank endgame, and on PAR with nin and pld, and rdm, when i bet 90% cant do it, and never have. Least with rdms, ppl have posted vids of them tanking Jorm, proto Ultima and Tiamat and other things. Which still is something most rdms cant do. It just sound liks more then half of you defending BLU tanks viablity and how great it is, cant even fucking do it. I tank on blu a LOT, and i have never needed Diffusion Euviation to do so. But I still feel a pld or nin is better then me for various reasons. So if youre saying Blu is JUSt as good as apld or nin fucking prove it, or stfu.

To Suiram:
The only idiot here is you, since in 3 pages you havnt figured out the argument isnt about if a blu is a good tank or not.

[Nirokun!]

i'm tired of this argument. at the end of the day, its still pointless--people who tank with it will continue to tank with it, and people that dont, will continue to wish for things they dont have. better to create a separate "wishing" thread about what you "wish" will happen to/for a job than to clutter this thread with a pointless argument.

im wishing for smn /wishwish

[TruBlu]

Half the damn changes in this game wouldnt have happened if the community didnt talk about them. So if you dont like ppl discussing how crappy Diffusion currently is, and how poor blu tier 2s are in comparison to most other jobs, wish yourself away from the thread thats bothering you so much.

[LD]

*sigh* I wasn't saying his opinion was wrong, his methodology for discussing the issue is. I personally have no opinion on the BLU tanking issue, but reading LD's posts, it's like he veils his points with unnecessary pomp & circumstance, and he doesn't argue his point based on it's merits, he argues to prove someone else wrong. Just very annoying to read.

In the end, no one can say what SE intended or didn't intend. BLU is a viable tank, same that BRD/NIN was. SE "fixed" BRD/NIN, but right now they haven't fixed BLU, and that's all that can really be said about the matter.

Ok, I can accept that. Sometimes, by trying my best to express myself, I'm the only one who knows wtf I'm talking about. However, I still think that after all this time, one can gain at least a vague idea of what I'm trying to say.

Personally, I don't think it matters how I argue a point as long as I have one. I can admit to using large words and over-the-top speech, but I don't use it to intentionally confuse people since I plainly (and repeatedly) state my case. I've been told I'm very playful in confrontation, but that doesn't mean I don't mean everything I say, but I digress (lololol). IMO, in this case, my side of the argument is a matter of course, so I didn't feel the need to commit much time to it, though I did say a bit to solidify my stance once or twice. Proving the logic of my opponents to be flawed was the root of the situation, so if I cut that, the rest would fall into place and I wouldn't have to argue the benefits of Diffusion being improved. I had tried that, and was getting nowhere. Not only would it take even more time and effort to take on the infuriating task of detailing the balance and advantages of giving it more utility (and then invariably repeating it), I shouldn't have to. Everyone already knows Diffusion doesn't do what we all expected it to; open up buffing to BLU. Why should I have to waste my time trying to tell them what they obviously haven't and probably wont listen to when it's more effective (and frankly, entertaining) to attack their points, giving them fewer and fewer legs to stand on. That way, I can hack away at each one without doing what they're doing, defending a single point, repeating myself (too much), and ultimately talking myself into a corner. Since everything they say is in an attempt to prove themselves right, all I have to do is counter everything they say. If you don't leave yourself open to attack, the opponent can only defend. As long as I keep on point, don't get my facts wrong, and don't say anything abjectly ridiculous, I have nothing to fear and can say whatever I want. That's why I'm acting more egotistical than usual. They can attack my ego, but it's completely irrelevant, so they can call me whatever they want and not change anything. They can't say anything that they haven't said before, and everything they've said before has a reasonable counter. They can't take anymore stances that don't tie into or conflict with anything that was already said, meaning they'll either repeat themselves or become hypocrites. Buffers losing out is simply the nail in the coffin, the one immutable fact that can't be argued against. I don't have to be right, I just have to be not wrong. So basically, I’m saying I disagree. %D I have a reason for doing things the way I do, so I don’t see it as being wrong, just out of the ordinary. In fact, by saying this, I’ve proved you wrong by plainly stating my thoughts, barely referring to you at all. The only thing here you could call pomp would be the natural passion and enthusiasm I try to have in everything I do. While it could look like this is all a self-created situation (or, in laymen, ) it doesn’t necessarily conflict with my stated desire to simply not be wrong. I am just adapting to a new opponent, though admittedly, a less hostile one (apparently.)

...aaaahhhh, but this is all for fun. As much as I like to think SE listens, the fact is clear: Nothing will change unless it actually becomes broken and it wont be broken unless something changes, which it probably wont. I did most of this because even if you believe Exuviationga should be used as a hate tool, that doesn't mean you should ignore facts, the rights and desires of others, or a potential compromise (I DID say the VE is fine...)

[Sho]

Ehhh, this shit woulda happened sooner or later. Is what happens when we don't have shit to discuss do to no real BLU update in months. :rocl:

[wow]

Skepticism is serious business.

That being said is there any reliable data we can see for tanking? Id like to take a look at it, if any ls gets bored fighting their timmys and has a blu who can tank try it out lol.

[Kaslo]

i'm tired of this argument. at the end of the day, its still pointless--people who tank with it will continue to tank with it, and people that dont, will continue to wish for things they dont have. better to create a separate "wishing" thread about what you "wish" will happen to/for a job than to clutter this thread with a pointless argument.

im wishing for smn /wishwish

Really I don't think Diffusion is crap as it is, and I don't tank on BLU (I have PLD for that). I do think it is a unique ability and I don't think it's recast is that outlandish. I mean sure it kinda sucks but even a 10 min ability would be overpowered in my book. I don't think SE wanted BLUs to merit this and say "I's a buffer now!" I think they wanted it for unique situations. And the fact that you don't use it EVERY 20 min doesn't mean it's not worth it, to say that is to say Chivalry isn't worth it for PLDs. There is alot of times where I don't get the chance to even Chivalry because it wouldn't be worth it, either because I'm good on MP or not gaining worthwhile TP for it. I just know the situations when I do diffusion it always helps out, whether it's DiffExuviation after Tribulation from Soulflayers or Warm-Up for an upcoming THF mob.

[FinalJustice]

If blu buff had a better duration on them, then maybe the 20 min timer wouldn't have been a killer. The majority of them last like between 30sec and 1 min. Some buffs even on yourself, have such short durations they dont warrant the effort or time or mp loss to even cast them at all, especially during a fight wen a mob is attacking you, let alone with diffusion. Blu is already a "buffer", it's just that its only benefit was to itself.

I also don't think a single blu buff is powerful enough to be over powered with s shorter diffusion timer.

Blu is simply one of those job that while doesn't suck, and is very good, is just in need of some fine tuning. Like the Magical magic dmg vs mp consumption ratio, or some really weak spells no mater what lvl u used it at. I would hardly even begin to think blu is fully the way SE even wants it yet. There are so many factors with blu that im sure it will take a long time to fully get it right. The ToAU jobs just don't seem fully complete yet. Hell SE even said there are more adjustments otw, and there will be many updates to ToAU even now that Wings is out.

edit: also Diffusion Warm up, is one of the good ones. Because Warmup has a nice duration. But IF it were 10 mins, how would a small acc boost for 3 min every 10 mins be overpowered?

Edit2: lets think about it a sec:

Cocoon def+50% for 90secs
Refueling 10% haste for 5 mins
Feather Barrier (small?) evasion boost for 30 secs
Zephyr Mantle 4 blink shadow for 5 min (but with superior uts everywhere...)
Memento Mori MAB+20 for 30 secs
Warm-Up acc/eva+10 for 3 min
Amplification MAB/MDB+10for 1min 30 secs
Saline Coat MDB+50 for 60secs - decays by 10 for the full 60 secs.
Reactor Cool Icespikes+def+12% for 2 min
Plasma Charge shock spikes for 60 secs

then theres the dreaded Exuviation
Exuviation erase effect+80hp

So aside from the Exuviation debate debacle
What on that list would be overpowered and game breaking with a 10 min timer? Especially when a lot of that on the list can be gotten from another source in a far more frequent application.

[ronin sparthos]

Fixing the magical side of BLU would be very nice, seeing as in my opinion alot were nerfed into the ground for fear of being -too- powerful and ended up being 'underpowered'