Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[Nazrious]

If you want to really see BLU shine in a merit party, get a bunch of them, buffers, and go to town. While BLU can do amazingly respectable damage with swords in a standard merit party, the only reason there is such a balance between sword and spell in these scenarios is because BLU is forced to concentrate on sword as that is where they are recieving buffs.

3BLU RDM BRD COR, 4BLU RDM BRD, maybe BRD DNC 4BLU, any such combination which focuses buffs on mp recovery and accuracy will shoot BLU through the roof. With only haste spell and 8-10mp a tick along with drainkiss, the amount of damage BLU can output on a consistant basis from spells is just phenomenal. I barely ever see "blu burns" around and I think it's amazing, since there are an absolute shit ton of blus at 75, the parties are great fun, and on the right target (namely: colibri), are probably second in xp speed only to mnk burn with outside healing.

qft

also all this talk about versatile blus blah blah is BS.

you want to play a dd /healer wth is the rdm there for then?

you want to play tank?

wtf is blu tanking for long in a merit pt?

between utsu ni/ichi very little if any damage gets done I mean yeah the occasional pecking flurry to the face sucks but thats what the rdm is there for.

speaking in a merit pt capacity Blu are DD.

the idea of mid or top etc is retarded.

wars tank just fine in a merit pt and do excellent damage mnks can do the same thfs sams drks etc etc.

in this game situation there are healers, buffers/debuffers, tanks, and DD.

now of course these jobs overlap but to argue that being a heal/self only buffer/tank/dd and really filling no role as well as another jobs when trying to do all at one time makes no sense.

the versatility of of blu is a situational one. setup gear /spells to fit this role at this time.
sure that makes sense but to argue that blus are ment to dd/heal is just dumb.

rdms heal
brds buff
DD do damge
tanks... no such thing unless your not in merit party situation, if we arguing for non merit stuff then thats a whole different ball game.

yeah there are other setups but thats not the point.

Blus are DD thus they should DD and not try to do a lil of everything.

also for all you people who say you can healingbreeze headbut and toss of a diss and frenetic every fight thats BS unless your in a blu burn, and even then the numbers still don't work.

[shukuffxi]

*blah blah silly stuff*...also for all you people who say you can healingbreeze headbut and toss of a diss and frenetic every fight thats BS unless your in a blu burn, and even then the numbers still don't work.

Or we just don't suck? Auto-Refresh, Sanction, Conserve MP, MP Drainkiss. The main merit spots for ToAU: Colibiri: Have MP. Not only do they have MP, but we get the Amorph > Bird thing, so AF head is more useful than say Homam or Nashira head. Mamools: Some mage jobs, enough to keep your MP up. Trolls: Plenty of DRK/PLD/RDM to suck MP out of as well.

So toss in a RDM, that's 4mp/tic (5mp/tic when Sanction kicks in). MP Drainkiss for 100+ every time it's up. If you're on Colibiri, this easily ranges to 120-160, with the random resist. We've got great gear options for meleeing, so if you really really need to stop casting at all, hold back 1 minute, and let your swords do the work, it's not rare to pop 700+ Vorpal Blades.

Depending on melee, you can easily come out on parses. In fact, I most often do come out on top when LFGing. Even against moderatly pimp DD, you can come out on top, because often gear does not make the player, and there are some pretty poor BB MNKs, or Ridill WARs around. But more often than not Mr. Fully Meritted SAM with -amazing- gear is going to come out ahead of you.

As for BLU Burns: I've done 4, all 4 of them were sucky. Because I ended up with LFG 75 BLUs who melee'd in Redeyes (Yes, the -20Acc @ Night glasses), or BLUs who ate no food, or BLUs who didn't have a clue what a macro was, or what MP management is, and so on I have 1 or 2 BLU friends who if I could just get on, and willing to XP at the same time, would rip apart any camp, i'm sure tho :/

[Nazrious]

*blah blah silly stuff*...also for all you people who say you can healingbreeze headbut and toss of a diss and frenetic every fight thats BS unless your in a blu burn, and even then the numbers still don't work.

Or we just don't suck? Auto-Refresh, Sanction, Conserve MP, MP Drainkiss. The main merit spots for ToAU: Colibiri: Have MP. Not only do they have MP, but we get the Amorph > Bird thing, so AF head is more useful than say Homam or Nashira head. Mamools: Some mage jobs, enough to keep your MP up. Trolls: Plenty of DRK/PLD/RDM to suck MP out of as well.

So toss in a RDM, that's 4mp/tic (5mp/tic when Sanction kicks in). MP Drainkiss for 100+ every time it's up. If you're on Colibiri, this easily ranges to 120-160, with the random resist. We've got great gear options for meleeing, so if you really really need to stop casting at all, hold back 1 minute, and let your swords do the work, it's not rare to pop 700+ Vorpal Blades.

Depending on melee, you can easily come out on parses. In fact, I most often do come out on top when LFGing. Even against moderatly pimp DD, you can come out on top, because often gear does not make the player, and there are some pretty poor BB MNKs, or Ridill WARs around. But more often than not Mr. Fully Meritted SAM with -amazing- gear is going to come out ahead of you.

As for BLU Burns: I've done 4, all 4 of them were sucky. Because I ended up with LFG 75 BLUs who melee'd in Redeyes (Yes, the -20Acc @ Night glasses), or BLUs who ate no food, or BLUs who didn't have a clue what a macro was, or what MP management is, and so on I have 1 or 2 BLU friends who if I could just get on, and willing to XP at the same time, would rip apart any camp, i'm sure tho :/

umm yeah even with MP drainkiss on coli over 100 fights if u used it every chance recast was up thats 3300 mp which makes u able to cast one diss and a few other spells scattered in between. and sir if you bothered to read my previous post you would have seen that the numbers still don't work out.

like I said Blu burn yes possible to do diss. and fren. every fight and then have some mp left over, but outside of that your not doing diss, fren, head butt, and healing breeze every fight no way in hell. Certainly your not spamming head butt and tossing out disseverments and frenetics. And what does being top Dd in a lolpickup have to do with anything? sure theres occasion for that awsome pickup pt where the planets and stars aline but its rare and not even on the point.

an auto refresh 2 or 3 will go a long way for making Blu a top DD. and If you want to heal etc etc w/e not interested in healing unless I'm 100% focused to be backline in a event or w/e. I play blu as a DD and expect other people in a pt to do their job, and even a luke warm rdm can do just fine in a merit situation and a gr8 rdm will laugh at the idea of needing any help to heal in a lolmerit pt. and in situations where ur going for extreme chains with a full DD pt setup and outside healers, ZOMG outside healers, the idea of "hey I'm not gonna be doing as much damage as you other guys but I can cast healing breeze!" is just pathetic. and if your a healing blu fine w/e u do your partying the way u do it but if your calling yourself a DD blu and settle for coming in anywhere under 2nd place DD in a parse then ur just sad. and like I said b4 pick what job your going to do wear the gear for that job and set the spells for that job and DO that job.
We don't need potters who decide to play soldier for a day, we need soldiers who play soldiers every day.

thats right I made a 300 reference!

[shukuffxi]

If your PT needs a Healing Breeze from the BLU every fight, then you should be leaving the PT. An occasional Breeze or Magic Fruit however is not out of the question at all. By the way, you don't have to do an F.Rip and a Disseverment *EVERY* fight. I'm doing just fine with my 800~1K Disseverments, and 600-800 Vorpal Blades, depending on food/buffs/debuffs, you can alternate that at least every fight, and have plenty of MP for Head Butt.

We are fine DD wise, we are not the top, nor are we weak in any way. If you wanna up BLU's physical DD capabilities to that of a MNK/WAR/SAM/etc, you're gonna have to lower their abilities in other ways, otherwise you're going to end up with a heavily unbalanced job, simply because we can DO so much. Not all of it is meant for XP.

[Chupunpupun]

Suggestions for blu changes:

Change the way the setting of blu spells works. I think they should only lock the spells you change and add - any spell that doesn't change should not be inflicted with the 1min wait. Example: If I have plasma charge and Actinic Burst for refresh; Disseverment/Frenetic Rip for accuracy bonus; diamond hide and head butt. If I remove headbutt and put Hysteric barrage; I should still be able to cast Disseverment/Frenetic Rip/diamond hide. They designed blu to be very versatile, so let us be versatile.

This is the best adjustment SE could do for BLU.

[Havok]

I just want some kind of /set command for setting spells so we can make macros for it. I'd be perfectly happy with BLU if I could do that.

[ronin sparthos]

Blus are DD thus they should DD and not try to do a lil of everything.

I could gauge your eyes out for saying this. Everytime i see a blu say they are a DD and dont need to heal people occasionally i cringe and realize why the invite rates are so bad. Blu isnt -only- a DD, its whatever the situation calls for, and for you to react to it. Ive seen so many blus that:

-Burn MP like its going outta style, then have the nerve to rest mid-pt (lol)
-Set all damage spells, go /thf and have no defensive spells (hi2u cocoon, zephyr etc)
-Eat meat in exp
-Use cookies /nin or /thf
-Use full AF

that its no wonder the jobs invite rates are so pathetic.

an auto refresh 2 or 3 will go a long way for making Blu a top DD

dude your outta your mind if you think blu will ever get auto-refresh 3 as a trait, we'd be lucky to get auto-fresh on a piece of relic armor.

wtf is blu tanking for long in a merit pt?

It happens.

the idea of mid or top etc is retarded.

Retarded? Its a fact. Some DDs are just better than others, they are all situational.

sure that makes sense but to argue that blus are ment to dd/heal is just dumb.

Your the blu that lets a pt member die and cause downtime because you couldnt toss out magic fruit/carrot because 'blu isnt a healer lulz'.

also for all you people who say you can healingbreeze headbut and toss of a diss and frenetic every fight thats BS unless your in a blu burn, and even then the numbers still don't work.

Who uses healing breeze? lol. Wild Carrot/Magic Fruit 4tw.

also all this talk about versatile blus blah blah is BS.

Lol, keep up this thought pattern.

[Suiram]

I agree with everything you just said except the meat part.

[ronin sparthos]

You've had success eating meat pre-merits?

[Alixana]

Maybe I'm missing something, but why even play a BLU if I didn't want to be versatile? I'd go level a MNK or SAM if what I wanted was pure, unadulterated melee DD. I'm all about conserving mana, but if someone is about to die, no BLU should hesitate to toss out a heal. Most of the times I have done this it's a healer that has pulled aggro and is afraid to heal themselves and get more hate; so essentially, by healing them you not only save their lives but potentially draw a hate spike onto yourself- something that you are most likely more able to handle in an easier fashion than the other player, until the situation gets back under control.

[Suiram]

You've had success eating meat pre-merits?

Oh, sorry I didn't realize you were excluding merits. I did use sushi almost exclusively at lower lvls, but I don't know for sure that meat couldn't have worked in any PT that is built in a way that other (one-handers, now) would use meat as well, I just never really tried it.

[ronin sparthos]

Ive tried meat on numerous occasions with blu and i can only sub it up as being 'bad' for the most part when ive tried it. Ive seen blus popping mithkabobs in exp/merits and its just bad all around imo. Even at merit levels your better off with sushi :/

Maybe I'm missing something, but why even play a BLU if I didn't want to be versatile? I'd go level a MNK or SAM if what I wanted was pure, unadulterated melee DD. I'm all about conserving mana, but if someone is about to die, no BLU should hesitate to toss out a heal. Most of the times I have done this it's a healer that has pulled aggro and is afraid to heal themselves and get more hate; so essentially, by healing them you not only save their lives but potentially draw a hate spike onto yourself- something that you are most likely more able to handle in an easier fashion than the other player, until the situation gets back under control.

QFT. Now if the damned blu community could understand it isnt a sin to be anything other than a 100% DD things would be looking up in the blu invite department.

[Nazrious]

read damnit If your going to do Dd then do it 100% if your going to heal do it 100%

and there is nothing wrong with having mfruit equiped in that oh shit situation, but don't try to compete for healing and DD cus that leads to fail.

When a blu who is suppose to be a DD in a party and isnt main healer is pulling off more then 10% of the healing thats just stupid, you healer then is not doing there job.

and if you go Blu/whm and gear for it hey fine u can be a healer just don't gear and spell set that way and then decide to get up and start wacking away at the mob.

I'm all for versatility just no luke warm performance. either be a DD or a healer but don't try to be both and just put out sucky performance in your DD and so so healing.
I have yet to see a blu who has parsed at higher then 20% healing come in at 25% of damage. usually its more like 20ish or lower. Thats pretty sad specially in a 3 DD party and its just meh in a 4 dd party. I'm not arguing for Blu to be better then a ridil war I'm saying we should be close to it. All dd should be close to adaberk ridil wars not so inordinately apart where a pimped joy/ridil war can come in and grab 30% on a lot of parses so easily its not even funny. but back to blus if a blu is in a pt to be a DD in a 4dd party they should be doing at least 24% of overall damage in a 3dd they should be doing at least 32%.

they don't have to be #1 but they have to be worth the spot.
If I'm on Brd, Bst, or Sam and I have to pick between another DD and a blu I'ma pick the other one cus I won't get any of that "hey i helped heal so I'm awsome" BS from a plain old vanilla DD. when I need to fill a DD spot in a situation its damn certain I'm looking for a DD.

specially when your you have an already capable healer.

This isnt to say that Blus should not equip mfruit by all means its worth it but Its not there to be used unless some one is in the red and still has a mob on them, which rarely happens.

a blu who is suppose to DD is there to DD not heal/dd because the healer is there to heal think of those parties where the rdm decides to level his sword skill and you get the same thing as a blu trying to heal and dd.

also tossing out one disseverment every other fight is shitty.

Head butt is also useless in a merit situation mobs just die to damn fast and everyone has some form of shadow/blink.

Edit: unless your a homam Blu you won't have the acc for meat using a haste build.

wala head
dusk hands
dusk feet
swift/speed belt

those take away a lot of acc.

Homam helps out some but still preferential to sushi as it helps spells also.

[Dammerung]

Head butt is also useless in a merit situation mobs just die to damn fast and everyone has some form of shadow/blink.

This is where you lose all credibility. If you're not a retard and use it at the right time you can almost always stun 1 TP move.

[Kaslo]

Really unless I'm in the mire (Az Isle) I see no point in using Meat. Everywhere else you can use sushi to allow you to stack more STR for spells, sure you will be overkill for melee but meh.

And Naz, why are you still posting? No one cares...

[ronin sparthos]

Head butt is also useless in a merit situation mobs just die to damn fast and everyone has some form of shadow/blink.

LOL, this takes the cake. So stunning the mob which leads to less attacks is useless?

read damnit If your going to do Dd then do it 100% if your going to heal do it 100%

Shit is situational? Blu doesnt work in absolutes.

Edit: unless your a homam Blu you won't have the acc for meat using a haste build.

wala head
dusk hands
dusk feet
swift/speed belt

those take away a lot of acc.

Homam helps out some but still preferential to sushi as it helps spells also.

Homam or no Homam, meat sucks when paired with multi-hitters. Stick to sushi or something with acc.

Dude, stop talking out of your ass.

[Rena]

Meat works perfectly fine for BLU, I used it a lot of the time leveling up, and still do. Obviously you need the gear/merits to support it (I personally had full sword merits for leveling it, as well as the gear to do it), and if you don't, don't bother, but it works perfectly fine when done right.

[Nazrious]

Head butt is also useless in a merit situation mobs just die to damn fast and everyone has some form of shadow/blink.

LOL, this takes the cake. So stunning the mob which leads to less attacks is useless?

[quote:1x4jk5ys]read damnit If your going to do Dd then do it 100% if your going to heal do it 100%

Shit is situational? Blu doesnt work in absolutes.

Edit: unless your a homam Blu you won't have the acc for meat using a haste build.

wala head
dusk hands
dusk feet
swift/speed belt

those take away a lot of acc.

Homam helps out some but still preferential to sushi as it helps spells also.

Homam or no Homam, meat sucks when paired with multi-hitters. Stick to sushi or something with acc.

Dude, stop talking out of your ass.[/quote:1x4jk5ys]

stunning the mob when its dead so fast saves one shadow or pecking flurry which does some damage after shadows are done... thats what the damn healer is there for. Saving the mp is more worth it.

If shit is situational then there is no point in arguing anything because in x situation then x will work or won't however when speaking of a specific situation like merit parties then shit isn't situational. In a serious merit pt blu is not going to be healing that much if at all and will be doing damage.


Homam helps out some but still preferential to sushi as it helps spells also.

wow u idiot reading is fundamental. preferential means I prefer, as in I prefer or I like.

or in your case
Sushi gud.

[shukuffxi]

stunning the mob when its dead so fast saves one shadow or pecking flurry which does some damage after shadows are done... thats what the damn healer is there for. Saving the mp is more worth it.

Wait, you saving the 12MP used for Head Butt, so you can DD more, is better than stunning a mob? It saves one shadow? Do you live in a magical place where all DD have 3 shadows (or 4, if you're a NIN) at all times? Stunning a Pecking Flurry or Rushing Slash or Firespit, or Wind Wall or Fang Rush, or Diamondhide, or many other moves, in damn near every situation, is well worth the 12MP spent, saving MP spent on healing or time spent hitting a buffed mob (Wind Wall/Warm-Up) before they can be debuffed. It's not rare to see 2 TP moves back to back in TP burns especially, i've been hit by many Pecking Flurry > Pecking Flurry, when the first TP move drops the mob under 25% HP.

Stop posting.

[ronin sparthos]

Im arguing because your logic is flawed.

stunning the mob when its dead so fast saves one shadow or pecking flurry which does some damage after shadows are done... thats what the damn healer is there for. Saving the mp is more worth it.

If its dying so fast, it being stunned half of its life means less healing, less damage, less people getting tickled or snatch morsel',. which means a happier tank, a happier healer, a happier time exping overall. Stunning firespits is just one other example. 12mp is nothing w/fresh + traits going to stop the Head Butt spam.

If shit is situational then there is no point in arguing anything because in x situation then x will work or won't however when speaking of a specific situation like merit parties then shit isn't situational. In a serious merit pt blu is not going to be healing that much if at all and will be doing damage.

You mean one of those parties where things dont go wrong, that only exist on paper? Let me reword your sentence:

'In a typical merit party a blu will be doing damage, aspiring targets whenever its needed, all while healing in a pinch and stunning to keep the monster locked as often as possible.'

Head butt is also useless in a merit situation mobs just die to damn fast and everyone has some form of shadow/blink.

Dude you called Head Butt 'useless' in merits, your done.

Enjoy being that 'hardcore DD' that expects the 'healers' to always keep you alive, i'll stick to trying to heal myself and others when the situation calls for it. If i wanna be a fulltime DD i can play sam and accomplish that much.