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  1. #4221
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    YOU BLACK, MIDNIGHT, EVIL MOTHERFUCKERS!!! BLACK MAGIC, DARKNESS!!! YOU RAW, DARKNESS!!! YOU, FUCKING, DELIRIOUS MOTHERFUCKER!
    You were cold as ice.

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    Re: Blue Mage: Job Findings

    SO, due to the recent update notes, we now have these caps for Category II:

    Convergence 5/5: +25% Magic Attack and +25% Magic Accuracy
    Diffusion 5/5: 10 Minute AoEs
    Enchainment 5/5: +50 TP to Chain Affinity'd Spells
    Assimilation 5/5: +5 Blue Magic Points

    DO WHAT NOW?

    Convergence is still a straight dmg percentage added-- the dmg for 1000 Needles should be 1250 dmg after the update. And I still think Diffusion is semi useless for most spells barring Refueling, Exuviation, and Warm-Up. +20 TP to Enchainment sounds hawt tho, and Assilmilation actually looks appealing rather than before.

    Fuck You, SE.

  2. #4222
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    Re: Blue Mage: Job Findings

    I don't like diffusion, and convergence - while nice for the BLU who uses blue magical spells like Eyes on Me or whatever - is not as nice as Enchainment and Assimilation. I like my 30% TP bonus, and I'll like a 50% TP bonus even better

    I already have 3/3 Assimilation and I liked the versatility it gave me when setting spells that I want. 5/5 will make it even nicer than before.

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    Re: Blue Mage: Job Findings

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiofio
    I don't like diffusion, and convergence - while nice for the BLU who uses blue magical spells like Eyes on Me or whatever - is not as nice as Enchainment and Assimilation. I like my 30% TP bonus, and I'll like a 50% TP bonus even better

    I already have 3/3 Assimilation and I liked the versatility it gave me when setting spells that I want. 5/5 will make it even nicer than before.
    Agreed

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    Re: Blue Mage: Job Findings

    Assimilation 5/5: +5 Blue Magic Points
    About time this becomes something useful. D:

  5. #4225
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    YOU BLACK, MIDNIGHT, EVIL MOTHERFUCKERS!!! BLACK MAGIC, DARKNESS!!! YOU RAW, DARKNESS!!! YOU, FUCKING, DELIRIOUS MOTHERFUCKER!
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    Re: Blue Mage: Job Findings

    Quote Originally Posted by Meian
    Quote Originally Posted by Fiofio
    I don't like diffusion, and convergence - while nice for the BLU who uses blue magical spells like Eyes on Me or whatever - is not as nice as Enchainment and Assimilation. I like my 30% TP bonus, and I'll like a 50% TP bonus even better

    I already have 3/3 Assimilation and I liked the versatility it gave me when setting spells that I want. 5/5 will make it even nicer than before.
    Agreed
    Ehh, tho I'd love more space for spell setting, when it comes down to adding straight stats, my gear/food choices makes up for the lack of Assimilation merits. I would love to add an extra trait to BLU if possible. At the same time I'm limited to Store TP and Counter, since I have all other traits on that benefit me. Even then both of those traits need like 6-8 spell points...

    As for Convergence, my gawd @ +35% increase to breath spell damage with Sau-Helm. Every 10 mins tho, which hurts still. A near fully unresisted Heat/Frost/Radiant Breath could be useful tho. Then there's the dmg increase to Eyes On Me, Mind Blast, Magic Hammer...

    We can agree Diffusion is useless tho, rite? Unless you need it for Exuviation-tanking...

    (don't mind the ellipsis spam, I feel like doing "..." on everything today...)

  6. #4226
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    Re: Blue Mage: Job Findings

    I'm doing 5/5 Convergence and 5/5 Enchainment. I don't have any use for Diffusion and Assimilation doesn't give me enough points to set Counter with Store TP.

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    Re: Blue Mage: Job Findings

    Quote Originally Posted by Sho
    Quote Originally Posted by Meian
    Quote Originally Posted by Fiofio
    I don't like diffusion, and convergence - while nice for the BLU who uses blue magical spells like Eyes on Me or whatever - is not as nice as Enchainment and Assimilation. I like my 30% TP bonus, and I'll like a 50% TP bonus even better

    I already have 3/3 Assimilation and I liked the versatility it gave me when setting spells that I want. 5/5 will make it even nicer than before.
    Agreed
    Ehh, tho I'd love more space for spell setting, when it comes down to adding straight stats, my gear/food choices makes up for the lack of Assimilation merits. I would love to add an extra trait to BLU if possible. At the same time I'm limited to Store TP and Counter, since I have all other traits on that benefit me. Even then both of those traits need like 6-8 spell points...

    As for Convergence, my gawd @ +35% increase to breath spell damage with Sau-Helm. Every 10 mins tho, which hurts still. A near fully unresisted Heat/Frost/Radiant Breath could be useful tho. Then there's the dmg increase to Eyes On Me, Mind Blast, Magic Hammer...

    We can agree Diffusion is useless tho, rite? Unless you need it for Exuviation-tanking...

    (don't mind the ellipsis spam, I feel like doing "..." on everything today...)
    Well..... like I said, Convergence is a must have for the BLU that regularly casts breath spells, eyes on me, etc. I don't do that because I mostly come BLM if I'm going to do any magical damage (and my BLM is several times stronger and more efficient than my BLU in that department).

  8. #4228
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    YOU BLACK, MIDNIGHT, EVIL MOTHERFUCKERS!!! BLACK MAGIC, DARKNESS!!! YOU RAW, DARKNESS!!! YOU, FUCKING, DELIRIOUS MOTHERFUCKER!
    You were cold as ice.

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    Re: Blue Mage: Job Findings

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiofio
    Quote Originally Posted by Sho
    Quote Originally Posted by Meian
    Quote Originally Posted by Fiofio
    I don't like diffusion, and convergence - while nice for the BLU who uses blue magical spells like Eyes on Me or whatever - is not as nice as Enchainment and Assimilation. I like my 30% TP bonus, and I'll like a 50% TP bonus even better

    I already have 3/3 Assimilation and I liked the versatility it gave me when setting spells that I want. 5/5 will make it even nicer than before.
    Agreed
    Ehh, tho I'd love more space for spell setting, when it comes down to adding straight stats, my gear/food choices makes up for the lack of Assimilation merits. I would love to add an extra trait to BLU if possible. At the same time I'm limited to Store TP and Counter, since I have all other traits on that benefit me. Even then both of those traits need like 6-8 spell points...

    As for Convergence, my gawd @ +35% increase to breath spell damage with Sau-Helm. Every 10 mins tho, which hurts still. A near fully unresisted Heat/Frost/Radiant Breath could be useful tho. Then there's the dmg increase to Eyes On Me, Mind Blast, Magic Hammer...

    We can agree Diffusion is useless tho, rite? Unless you need it for Exuviation-tanking...

    (don't mind the ellipsis spam, I feel like doing "..." on everything today...)
    Well..... like I said, Convergence is a must have for the BLU that regularly casts breath spells, eyes on me, etc. I don't do that because I mostly come BLM if I'm going to do any magical damage (and my BLM is several times stronger and more efficient than my BLU in that department).
    True, true, ya said so indeed. I usually go SCH if efficient magic damage is needed as well. However, I do like to extend my versatility on magic dmg to encompass BLU however (esp for dragon class mobs), so it's a welcome addition. I also love the idea that I could be able to breath spell in my Dusk Bodeh more often and not worry about huge resists. XD

  9. #4229
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    Re: Blue Mage: Job Findings

    5 extra points with capped Assimilation will be awsome.

    I use Diffusion and Convergence alot, i'm debating dropping my 2nd Converge though and capping Diffuse at 10min.

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    Re: Blue Mage: Job Findings

    I popped open Convergence a while ago and I dont regret it for being able to BA MP Drainkiss, Conv MP Drainkiss, BA MP Drainkiss in merit PTs (THAT NOBODY INVITES ME TO ANYMORE!)

    I'm definately going full Assimilation, and now I guess I can get those TP Bonus ones too :3

  11. #4231
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    Re: Blue Mage: Job Findings

    Definitely doing assimilation. Hard to know what to do for the others. As I've said before you don't need diffusion to tank (I haven't even used it once in the last half-dozen times I have), although it would be kinda cool to see if a 2-4 BLU saline coat rotation helps 10 people live through AV's manafont.

  12. #4232
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    Re: Blue Mage: Job Findings

    Currently I have
    1 Convergence
    1 DIffusion
    1 Enchainment
    3 Assimilation

    After the update I plan to have
    1 Convergence
    1 Diffusion
    3 Enchainment
    5 Assimilation

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    Re: Blue Mage: Job Findings

    How much does Enchainment effect things?... cuz for stuff like multi hit spells i dont see big differences w/ 10-30tp (maybe 50 would but in definately not doing 5 merits)...See tp differences w/ Cannonball but still meh. Way i see it 1 Diffusion and 5 Assimilation are definite, and Convergence seems alot more valuble than Enchainment. Infact I was thinking of doing 5 Assim, 1 Diffus, 4 Converg and screw Enchainment. What do you guys think?...

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    Re: Blue Mage: Job Findings

    As much as i love the +mACC on Convergence, i hate the Diffusion timer a lot more. That 20 min recast is what really limits Diffuse in it's practicality and power. I'd love to fully merit it down to 10, but i'm it's not worth giving up Converge for.

    I currently have:

    Assimilation: 3
    Convergence: 2
    Diffusion: 1

    But i'm going to be switching to:

    Assimilation: 5
    Convergence: 1
    Diffusion: 4

    Having Convergence and Diffusion on almost equal timers will be great.

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    Re: Blue Mage: Job Findings

    Quote Originally Posted by Kkel
    As much as i love the +mACC on Convergence, i hate the Diffusion timer a lot more. That 20 min recast is what really limits Diffuse in it's practicality and power. I'd love to fully merit it down to 10, but i'm it's not worth giving up Converge for.

    I currently have:

    Assimilation: 3
    Convergence: 2
    Diffusion: 1

    But i'm going to be switching to:

    Assimilation: 5
    Convergence: 1
    Diffusion: 4

    Having Convergence and Diffusion on almost equal timers will be great.
    10min diffusion is still too long since the duration of most buff are <1min. I say 2min-3min recast would make it useful even then it wouldn't break anything since the buffs aren't that good to begin with, maybe Memento Mori. It's nice to have but it definately doesn't break the game unless they give us some really nice buffs like berserk.

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    Re: Blue Mage: Job Findings

    I'm not looking for game breaking, just to cut the timer down to what i feel is useful. I do a lot of low man events on BLU and in Dynamis i play the job as support only so i always end up using Diffusion the second it's up. Refueling, Warm Up, Amplification/Memento Mori/Saline Coat, etc, etc... Yeah, these buffs as AoE aren't game breaking, but they can make a hell of a bigger difference in a 3 or 4 man fight than Enchainment.

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    Re: Blue Mage: Job Findings

    Quote Originally Posted by Chupunpupun
    10min diffusion is still too long since the duration of most buff are <1min. I say 2min-3min recast would make it useful even then it wouldn't break anything since the buffs aren't that good to begin with, maybe Memento Mori. It's nice to have but it definately doesn't break the game unless they give us some really nice buffs like berserk.
    Seconded.

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    Re: Blue Mage: Job Findings

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahnuld
    Quote Originally Posted by Chupunpupun
    10min diffusion is still too long since the duration of most buff are <1min. I say 2min-3min recast would make it useful even then it wouldn't break anything since the buffs aren't that good to begin with, maybe Memento Mori. It's nice to have but it definately doesn't break the game unless they give us some really nice buffs like berserk.
    Seconded.
    Apparently everything has to be like a fully merited Feint or Angon...

  19. #4239
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    Re: Blue Mage: Job Findings

    Not everything, but one per job would be nice. Also, a 10 minute Diffusion is obviously more useful to some people than others...

    [spoiler:2vpdcrwp]JUST NOT FOR BUFFING! %D[/spoiler:2vpdcrwp]

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    Hey guys - I've updated my Cannonball quick chart and equip build - enjoy. (attached)

    EDIT: seems like the attachment changes the jpg - here's the link to the original one:
    http://gnu.univ.gda.pl/~huckster/ff11/cannonball.jpg

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