Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[Znooby]

with the AL discussion over, now lets start talking about how hard expiacion sucks!

[VZX]

Expiacion is good ;_;. Because self darkness is that awesome. I think I did 300 is Expiacion + 1136 CA VC + 846 Darkness on Nyzul last night on soulflayers floor.

[Marcicus]

it's good for MPKing people with the Warmachine too ;<

[LD]

That, and we discussed it like 1-2 pages ago. -_-

[Sho]

BLU needs new updates. I pray for new assortments of spells and an update on all Sword DMG so we can compete a bit more with 2-Handers. Make it happen, SE.

[LD]

Sword upgrade = PLD upgrade.....

could happen.... ¬¬

[fantasticdan]

Sword upgrade = PLD upgrade.....

could happen.... ¬¬

If they upgraded all swords, sure, but just bumping up the dmg on scimitar/kilij/falchion type swords wouldn't affect pld. I don't think letting blu use justice sword would hurt either.

[Seraph]

If they upgraded all swords, sure, but just bumping up the dmg on scimitar/kilij/falchion type swords wouldn't affect pld. I don't think letting blu use justice sword would hurt either.

Because when I think game breaking shit, I think PLD physical damage. /eyeroll

[LD]

*sigh*...

My subtle attempt at humor aside, I kinda doubt they'll do it. BLU melee isn't so bad that it needs help and BLU is never entirely melee. Even though I might like BLU's melee to be stronger, it IS the strongest Sword-user. Also, I think a better way of boosting BLU's melee abilities would be to make more set bonuses or traits that help with that. Actually, all traits should be cheaper/easier to make and should have higher caps, like Clear Mind. Anyway, BLU will always be defined by its spells, so melee will always be balanced with that in mind. As things stand, melee is not enough to match another DD without spells, but it's respectable enough that there isn't much room to reasonably complain.

[fantasticdan]

*sigh*...

My subtle attempt at humor aside, I kinda doubt they'll do it. BLU melee isn't so bad that it needs help and BLU is never entirely melee. Even though I might like BLU's melee to be stronger, it IS the strongest Sword-user. Also, I think a better way of boosting BLU's melee abilities would be to make more set bonuses or traits that help with that. Actually, all traits should be cheaper/easier to make and should have higher caps, like Clear Mind. Anyway, BLU will always be defined by its spells, so melee will always be balanced with that in mind. As things stand, melee is not enough to match another DD without spells, but it's respectable enough that there isn't much room to reasonably complain.

How are pld and war not stronger when it comes to sword melee?

[Charismatic]

They are, LD is obviously high on something...

[LD]

k, ya got me on WAR, but I haven't seen one who uses anything other than GAX in ages, so pfft.
PLD isn't really a damaging job, and for all the better swords it has access to, BLU has a greater opportunity to make the most of their melee. Atonement is the only thing that fucks that over imo, but it's best suited for longer fights and for the shorter, lower def ones, BLU's vorpal generally does just as well or better.

Summary: PLD's suck worse at melee and don't have damage spells like BLU does.

Point: There's no real reason to complain about our melee damage.

[fantasticdan]

k, ya got me on WAR, but I haven't seen one who uses anything other than GAX in ages, so pfft.
PLD isn't really a damaging job, and for all the better swords it has access to, BLU has a greater opportunity to make the most of their melee. Atonement is the only thing that fucks that over imo, but it's best suited for longer fights and for the shorter, lower def ones, BLU's vorpal generally does just as well or better.

Summary: PLD's suck worse at melee and don't have damage spells like BLU does.

Point: There's no real reason to complain about our melee damage.

Do you even play FFXI? A pld, using a higher dmg mainhand weapon, with higher STR/ATK/DEX from access to actual WS gear (heca, ares, haub, etc.), does equal or less damage on vorpal? Are you retarded?

[LD]

You're kinda missing the point. How often does a PLD actually go full tilt melee? Ares, sure, but I wonder if that alone will really match the amount of stat-whoring BLU already does all the time. Also, I didn't say always, I said generally, meaning usually. Usually, PLDs don't have (don't use) a heavy melee set. Usually, BLU's many stat boosts also help sword. The fact that PLD's can go full melee and usually choose not to due to other concerns has as much to do with their weaker potential as BLU's lack of gear.

Now, to the point. What does always happen is a BLU using a physical spell. As long as that happens, whether I'm right or wrong on PLD's strengths, there's no real reason to bitch about BLU's melee.

Incidentally, good job attacking one shaky thing I said instead of explaining why BLU's melee is weak. You really should have opened with the words 'Joy' and 'Toy'.

[Sho]

>_> I still want it to happen. Alternatively, they can lower the MP cost on Magical Blue Magic a few. They kinda already fixed the Set Point cost "problem" with adding Assimilation merits LD; I don't think they'll really take another look at it before they take one at something akin to Sword DMG. Though I could be very wrong lol.

[Dimmauk]

I still want CA and BA to last longer. They should be on timers like SA and TA.

[LD]

They kinda already fixed the Set Point cost "problem" with adding Assimilation merits LD.

I've disagreed with that since we found out it was only 1 point per upgrade. I'm ok with the 20 spell limit, we don't need more than that most of the time anyway (Hell, I use round half of the spells I do set), but making high traits like Auto-Refresh, Clear Mind, and Auto-Regen easier to build and adding new tiers to Att bonus, MAB, and Auto-Refresh would feed more into the idea of the spells augmenting the skills of the BLU. It's a great concept and they could do more with it if they weren't so afraid of BLU's potential.

[Belgaer]

Forget CA and BA lasting longer. The recasts should be shorter. Like 1 and 1/2 min instead of 2 min, and 1 min with full recast merits.

[Znooby]

Forget CA and BA lasting longer. The recasts should be shorter. Like 1 and 1/2 min instead of 2 min, and 1 min with full recast merits.

this^

[Belgaer]

Oh shit, no, that can't happen. If it did, SAMs would complain, and then SE would breast feed them.