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  1. #5001
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    Well, what I mean was I had a cor for one of our khimaira and I was doing 1k+ constantly w/ 2 enchainment merits and 0 tp. (Btw off topic but does Sonic Boom from triplet bats affect ratt? I didn't notice the damage difference when I exp on them in Garliage tonight.)

  2. #5002
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    There are no TP bonuses from 0-99%, so without 50-90% TP, Enchainment doesn't factor into it.
    At any rate, if you want help with something, maybe you could write down your gear.
    As for Sonic Boom, I don't see what that has to do with BLU. Go to the randomer question thread in standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LD View Post
    There are no TP bonuses from 0-99%, so without 50-90% TP, Enchainment doesn't factor into it.
    At any rate, if you want help with something, maybe you could write down your gear.
    As for Sonic Boom, I don't see what that has to do with BLU. Go to the randomer question thread in standard.
    Can you quote to testing on 0-99% TP = nothing? Because it sure seems (not concrete, but more valid to me than your blanket statement without tests) that I get a higher return with 5/5 enchainment without 50% base TP than I did before...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaslo View Post
    (not concrete)
    This is all I heard, I'm sorry, I have the clean the rhetoric out of my ears.

  5. #5005
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    Quote Originally Posted by LD View Post
    This is all I heard, I'm sorry, I have the clean the rhetoric out of my ears.
    Don't take concrete for .

  6. #5006
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    What my understand was, was for with spells that don't have the same fTP at all values (Frenetic Rip, as opposed to Disseverment, say), then used with CA the fTP increases linearly from 0% to 150%, and 150% to 300%, much like how "damage varies with TP" WSs increase linearly from 100% to 200% and 200% to 300%. I don't recall seeing testing one way or the other, though, so maybe I'm wrong on this, or maybe BLU spells increase 0% to 100%, 100% to 200% and 200% to 300%.

  7. #5007
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    I always felt like TP under 100% definitely affected CA...that's just from eyeballing damage though. I don't know if it's actually been tested correctly.

  8. #5008
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    YOU BLACK, MIDNIGHT, EVIL MOTHERFUCKERS!!! BLACK MAGIC, DARKNESS!!! YOU RAW, DARKNESS!!! YOU, FUCKING, DELIRIOUS MOTHERFUCKER!
    You were cold as ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok View Post
    I always felt like TP under 100% definitely affected CA...that's just from eyeballing damage though. I don't know if it's actually been tested correctly.
    This basically.

  9. #5009
    Shimmy shimmy ya shimmy yam shimmy ya
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    Has there been any update to that <<<>>> chart for Cannonball equips?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirokei Kiaza View Post
    Has there been any update to that <<<>>> chart for Cannonball equips?
    Yeah, it's called using logic. It can be a troublesome to implement for some

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    No, but if you're looking for the optimal set up, it should be:

    Wing Sword+1 and Archerion Shield+1 or Vulcan Staff and Brave Grip
    Bibikishell
    Relic Helm+1/Gnad Helm (Last test on this was inconclusive)
    Fort/Justice Torque (Current in debate)
    Triumph Earring+1
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    Smilodon Mantle+1
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  12. #5012
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaslo View Post
    Yeah, it's called using logic. It can be a troublesome to implement for some
    Yes because god forbid we compare and contrast Cannonball equipment choices in accordance with the latest trend, which ironically makes up the bulk of this thread. I guess you can chalk up the broad post question to me though. I more or less meant if anyone's compared Koggel vs Wing+1. My Tanihwa's don't drop shit so I can't do it myself. And I'm not too good with all the damage calculations.

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    Update: Earlier I stated Sword + Shield > Staff + Brave Grip when I tested on Odin. However, I tested on Omega today and found that Staff + Grip did more damage in this instance.

    Odin
    Sword+Shield: ~1-1.1k DMG
    Staff+Brave Grip: ~900-990 DMG

    Omega (Cannonball w/o 2hr)
    Sword+Shield: 1.1-1.2k DMG
    Staff+Brave Grip: ~1.3k DMG (Really consistent)

    Omega (Cannonball with 2hr)
    Sword+Shield: 1.8k DMG
    Staff+Brave Grip: 2.2k DMG

    Edit: Just to clarify, the buffs I had at the time were: Pro IV, Fish Kabob, and Cocoon. On Odin I believe they kept Dia II on, but I'll have to ask the RDMs again. For omega, Dia was not involved.

    4/5 Enchainment (Might take out that 1/5 Convergence to max this), not sure if they had any effect

  14. #5014
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    I keep hearing different results between Axe Grip and Brave Grip.

    On one hand, people tell me SA/V.Cleave/C.Balls don't stack with Brave and the other swears by pure STR.

    Does Brave really stack and give the bonus?

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    Tests on Colibri:

    Without Brave grip: 1.45-1.5k

    With Brave grip: 1.6-1.65k

    Brave grip is supposed to be ~10% DMG increase, so yes it does seem to affect SATACA Spells.

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    Auditory doesn't beat out Justice/Fort?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonCloud64 View Post
    Auditory doesn't beat out Justice/Fort?
    It does

  18. #5018
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    Your linkshell puts a Blue Mage in the same party as a Bard? I want in that linkshell...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimagi View Post
    Your linkshell puts a Blue Mage in the same party as a Bard? I want in that linkshell...
    If you are bringing a BLU to event you should give it a BRD.

    If you're not going to give it a BRD - don't bring the BLU. Simple.

    Really good BLUs, with BRD support, will be a steady source of high damage throughout most fights in this game.

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    Tell that to every leader who never lets me use my Blue Mage to its full potential.

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