Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[Suiram]

The 200 Dissev is a Hydra piercing damage thing. It's possible you could have got more mileage out of setting different spells. Although I do think situations like that (30~90sec Einherjar boss zergs, and similar fights) are probably going to be where you get the most out of casting T. Roar, since you can cast it just before you engage and the fights will end right around the time it wears, on average. Especially if you give it to everyone else in your PT.

[Ddboner]

Used it in limbo last night (apollyon NW) and it was nice all my vorpals jumped quite a bit. Was especially nice since I was holding off on CA and just tping while SC was going off so as not mess with magic bursts.

Definitely was a bonus.

Going to change from homam body to faux haubergeon when I get a chance to redo ACP as well.

[Dimmauk]

The 200 Dissev is a Hydra piercing damage thing. It's possible you could have got more mileage out of setting different spells. Although I do think situations like that (30~90sec Einherjar boss zergs, and similar fights) are probably going to be where you get the most out of casting T. Roar, since you can cast it just before you engage and the fights will end right around the time it wears, on average. Especially if you give it to everyone else in your PT.

Yeah we did, During BRD buff I did diamondhide, and the other BLU used Diffusion refueling, then once we got to the NM I diffusion T.Roar. It wore at about 10%.

[Nevex]

Anyone consider to work on a Fast Cast setup using the add-ons' rewards?
BLU can get up to 26% casting time reduction now reduction with trait, Loq. Earring, Homam legs, and +5 FC augmented Anwig Salade and Mirke Wardecors, which is nothing to scoff at.

The question is if it's worth giving up 8% Haste from Turban+Nashira Manteel for +10 FC.

Then again you could start casting in FC setup and switch to the appropriate gear on spells that give you the chance to switch midcast (Utsu: Ichi, breaths, random buffs and debuffs).

[Belgaer]

Well, now that you mention it, we can get a nice fast cast build now... Though, I wouldn't cast any physical spells in it, outside of maybe Head Butt, and I certainly wouldn't TP in it. Fast Cast is more for Head Butt, MP Drainkiss, Actinic Burst, and Utsusemi as far as BLU is concerned. Well, I guess there's sleeps and debuffs as well.. To each his own, but a STR+4, DEX+4 Anwig Salade is going to be better than relic head for the big 3 and better than o hat/voyager's/denali bonnet for weaponskills. I'd say a fast cast set would probably be pretty situational, really, unless you have another job that can make good use of it too (like NIN or THF for Anwig and Mirke).


Has anyone been able to figure out the modifiers of Sub-zero Smash. I can't tell if it has a very low STR mod or I'm just noticing extra damage due to fSTR... Nothing really seems to modify it enough to be the clear winner. However, I don't have a VIT, AGI, or CHR build.

[Kyte]

I'm fairly certain it has a STR mod. I don't have enough VIT or AGI gear to really test those though. Guess I could try CHR >_>;


Making a Fast Cast build on BLU using the Salade seems like a big waste to me as well. ACP body is a bit more reasonable, although I currently need mine for MNK and BLU WS.

[Nevex]

Not considering getting a WS or big 3 headpiece simply because I'm close on getting Maat's Cap and I almost always use Expiacion now.
Not sure if STR+4 acc+10 can outperform STR+7/DEX+7 on the big 3.

Everything else seems pretty meh and not really useful for my current jobs.

[Kyte]

I'm getting the WS one, but that's partly because I have MNK and PUP too.

Keep in mind though that it really isn't that hard to switch.

[Spira]

i need to ask you BLUs again..
are there absolutely no other SC properties on Sub-zero Smash? cos i'm trying to add it into my skillchain chart and i think i can only place it in Fragmentation for Lv3 SCs..

it probably doesnt occur anywhere else rite?

[mikauk]

I did not get a chain with any Club or Sword Weaponskill. I'm relatively certain between the two we have every property covered, but I'm not positive.

[Ciecle]

I don't know if you guys have found this, but I've found a problem with Triumphant Roar... Burst Affinity is used when casting the spell, Anyone else notice this? oh and Diffusion is now used when you cast any spell no matter the affinity of the spell like Blue White or Black weather its a defensive spell or a offensive if its used Diffusion gets taken.... convergence doesn't have this problem though and neither does Chain Affinity...

[VZX]

Sub-zero smash has VIT_60% mod with 2.0 TP multiplier at 0TP according to gobli.
It's pretty weak, even if you compare it to VC which has 3.0 TP multiplier at 0TP (not to mention it has naturally high attack)

[Nirokun!]

the damage is still nice if you use it solely for the purpose of adding paralyze to something. the damage on sprout smack is pretty pitiful, but it adds slow. the damage on sub-zero smash seems to be about the same for the mp spent, but with para. I don't think its too bad considering it is doing two things~

[TummieGaruda]

i need to ask you BLUs again..
are there absolutely no other SC properties on Sub-zero Smash? cos i'm trying to add it into my skillchain chart and i think i can only place it in Fragmentation for Lv3 SCs..

it probably doesnt occur anywhere else rite?

Sub Zero Smash is Single property Fragmentation Based. So it works similar to Shark Bite on THF. You will NOT be able to solo WS anything with this spell, however, with 2 BLU's you can:

Light Skillchain: Sub-Zero Smash > Cannonball
Distortion: Sub-Zero Smash > Disseverment,
3 step Darkness: Sub-Zero Smash > Expiation > Vertical Cleave

The last one will produce 150% total damage of Vertical Cleave on Darkness if not resisted. Though I rather prefer Savage > Diss > VC for more overall Damage.

[mikauk]

Diffusion has always been consumed by your next spell, of whatever particular school. Utsusemi being the big offender here.

I have not noticed that my Burst Affinity timer gets eaten though; is it possible you have it in your macro?

[Marcicus]

Sub-zero smash has VIT_60% mod with 2.0 TP multiplier at 0TP according to gobli.
It's pretty weak, even if you compare it to VC which has 3.0 TP multiplier at 0TP (not to mention it has naturally high attack)

If this is the case, it sounds like we should be using our Cannonball gear for this, except for Vulcan's/Axe right?

[VZX]

If this is the case, it sounds like we should be using our Cannonball gear for this, except for Vulcan's/Axe right?

Yeah, except defense may not raise the attack of the spell, unlike in cannonball case.

[Belgaer]

Sub-zero smash has VIT_60% mod with 2.0 TP multiplier at 0TP according to gobli.
It's pretty weak, even if you compare it to VC which has 3.0 TP multiplier at 0TP (not to mention it has naturally high attack)

Ah, thanks for this. That makes sense, actually. I'll go try it out.

[eva00r]

Diff + T.Roar stacks with Warcry

[Sekundes]

Anyone consider to work on a Fast Cast setup using the add-ons' rewards?
BLU can get up to 26% casting time reduction now reduction with trait, Loq. Earring, Homam legs, and +5 FC augmented Anwig Salade and Mirke Wardecors, which is nothing to scoff at.

The question is if it's worth giving up 8% Haste from Turban+Nashira Manteel for +10 FC.

Then again you could start casting in FC setup and switch to the appropriate gear on spells that give you the chance to switch midcast (Utsu: Ichi, breaths, random buffs and debuffs).

Fast cast procs if you have it on when you start the spell, what you have on at the end will be what procs on the recast. So you start with all fastcast gear and sometime during the cast you can switch out those slots where greater haste is available. You don't have to give up anything, fast cast in ANY slot is awesome.