Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[Atoreis]

Well, to be honest, I'm of the camp that they will give BLU DWII at the very least. Also other traits might be boosted.

I know that SE never messes up on job updates (partial sarcasm), but even so it seems they want to give various updates across the board to all jobs this time around. If nothing else, a bunch of tests/kparser will see any change.

Just keep in mind they basically put it out there on VanaFest that they would like to extend BLU's DD capabilities with DW from spells. That in itself is a full update for the job, depending on the sub and if the DW trait is II~III.

DRK/sam seigan+thirdeye+dreadspikes
SAM/war Seigan+thirdeye+lot of pdt
WAR/sam seigan+thirdeye
DRG/sam Seigan+thirdeye+highjump+superjump
MNK/nin shadows+counter

etc.

what you gonna sub for BLU to "extend BLU's DD capabilities with DW from spells" and avoid dmg after getting hate?

[Atoreis]

Hmmm I just realised we gonna get 2nd spell from same family Plenilune Embrace from Gnoles

[Samonez]

Hmmm I just realised we gonna get 2nd spell from same family Plenilune Embrace from Gnoles

Wouldn't be the first time



(Foot Kick and Wild Carrot from bunnies, Blank Gaze and Magic Fruit from Opos)

[Sho]

DRK/sam seigan+thirdeye+dreadspikes
SAM/war Seigan+thirdeye+lot of pdt
WAR/sam seigan+thirdeye
DRG/sam Seigan+thirdeye+highjump+superjump
MNK/nin shadows+counter

etc.

what you gonna sub for BLU to "extend BLU's DD capabilities with DW from spells" and avoid dmg after getting hate?

The hate spike on BLU usually isn't so wild that they pull massive hate, like those 4 jobs. Can always use Zephyr Mantle. Defender/Cocoon is nice. SS/Blink/Phalanx as /RDM. Mass Waltz spam /DNC. Otherwise BLU/THF does that, and in that event you could TA it onto someone else.

I think you're of the position that BLU will be gaining mass hate in the new fights to come, which probably won't happen.

[Atoreis]

The hate spike on BLU usually isn't so wild that they pull massive hate, like those 4 jobs. Can always use Zephyr Mantle. Defender/Cocoon is nice. SS/Blink/Phalanx as /RDM. Mass Waltz spam /DNC. Otherwise BLU/THF does that, and in that event you could TA it onto someone else.

I think you're of the position that BLU will be gaining mass hate in the new fights to come, which probably won't happen.

- /dnc got DW
- /war defender is rather deacrease melee dmg rather then increase
- /rdm with DW from spell wont be better for melee then DW from /nin so only increase can come here from maybe convert and more mp but not from melee
- /thf you are limited to party and your TA or SATA partner if you dont want to take ahte

Also I dont expect blu to get massive hate on some hard fight but Blu is good mainly for lowmanning and it will need to tank a lot in those situations, and idk how being limited to not pulling hate will increase your dmg over situation when you pulling hate cuz of dmg with /nin.

[jimbobsonofgod]

/sam for those times I forget to WS before 200TP
Sekkanoki @.@

[Atoreis]

/sam for those times I forget to WS before 200TP
Sekkanoki @.@

yeah /sam is nice tho idk if you would beat dw2 (and dw3 on 90) from /nin with dw1 and /sam. Sam also gives no dmg blinking beside 1 third eye per 1 minute.

[Sho]

- /dnc got DW
- /war defender is rather deacrease melee dmg rather then increase
- /rdm with DW from spell wont be better for melee then DW from /nin so only increase can come here from maybe convert and more mp but not from melee
- /thf you are limited to party and your TA or SATA partner if you dont want to take ahte

Also I dont expect blu to get massive hate on some hard fight but Blu is good mainly for lowmanning and it will need to tank a lot in those situations, and idk how being limited to not pulling hate will increase your dmg over situation when you pulling hate cuz of dmg with /nin.

If you are /WAR and using defender, it's to cover for the hate you gained, not to continue on the offensive. This is what you argued on, how would BLU take on mob enmity.

No one really knows what SE will add. Not you or I or anyone. Just because a some traits are tier 1 doesn't mean all of them are, will be added as, or will remain to be. Even moreso that level caps are slowly rising now.

Never really had a problem with /THF and taking on hate, but then again I've always gotten to SATA things with competent tanks that cure bomb me to regain hate, even more competent healers, or the simple THF cat to steal half of the enmity. Even so, Zephyr Mantle really helps before the mob(s) do any real damage.

[Draylo]

No one really knows what SE will add. Not you or I or anyone. Just because a some traits are tier 1 doesn't mean all of them are, will be added as, or will remain to be. Even moreso that level caps are slowly rising now.

Jimbobidiot obviously knows, since he works for SE.

[eva00r]

Giving that I can use DW from spell,
Sekkanoki + 200 TP CA+Spell will be utterly hot.

[Atoreis]

Giving that I can use DW from spell,
Sekkanoki + 200 TP CA+Spell will be utterly hot.

Hmmm for fun maybe, holding 300 tp to use it like that wont overdmg 3xws+spell at 0TP.

[jimbobsonofgod]

Jimbobidiot obviously knows, since he works for SE.

You sir, Need to fucking die.

Nobody likes you.

Go away.

Fuck ass.

Take your native merited traits and blow them out your ass.


/drg is another alternative for a sub provided we get enough DW traits not only for high jump hate shed but also for wyvern earring.

[Draylo]

So mad.

[Atoreis]

/drg is another alternative for a sub provided we get enough DW traits not only for high jump hate shed but also for wyvern earring.

Ok thats an argument and could be realy intresting with good DW from spells (but we know it will be DW1 and 8 points SE hates us)

[Sho]

Oh wow, good call on /DRG actually.

[Tsuko_Asura]

I highly doubt BLU has the attack necessary to make /DRG worthwhile, ignoring the fact that Hasso is a big reason for /DRG being useful for some jobs.

[Draylo]

What happened to your disserverment learning? I was all prepared and you stood me up! :/

[jimbobsonofgod]

I highly doubt BLU has the attack necessary to make /DRG worthwhile, ignoring the fact that Hasso is a big reason for /DRG being useful for the only job that has hasso that can /drg.

Ftfy.

[Atoreis]

I highly doubt BLU has the attack necessary to make /DRG worthwhile, ignoring the fact that Hasso is a big reason for /DRG being useful for some jobs.

Depends on mob realy but if you could eat at least marinara you have pretty good base att ( before other buffs like chaos roll ) with TRoar.
Tho if you gonna use W earring you need to pass on suppa or brutal.
If suppa wouldnt work with trait from spell then w earring is win otherwise its still better to have 5% haste then 5% faster swinging but the difference is not that effective anymore.
Tho tbh what good I saw in /drg is that high jump. BLU has the ability to throw a lot dmg in short time. What i thinking is like burn whole mp then high jump and rest, but yeah it may be situacional.

[Nightfyre]

/DRG as a straight DPS sub isn't going to be worthwhile. Berserk alone beats the piss out of 5% haste when you use it for full duration unless we're getting full buffs including Haste Samba, and even then there's DA. At that level of haste, Jump and High Jump are fairly iffy TP gain tools, more useful for spike damage than increasing WS frequency. Our casting rate would essentially be unaffected so there's no real difference on that front... Not seeing High Jump as a worthy cause for BLU/DRG; you drop a little damage and likely no longer need said hate shedding tool. 3:00 recast does a nasty number on its viability as well.

Nevex has mentioned /RDM at 80 a few times recently and I agree that there's a lot of potential there; ~500-900 MP (depending on race and merits) every 10 minutes is a fair bit to work with even after curing yourself up. Regeneration will help some there too. Could be interesting.