Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[Sabishii]

Since the Blue Magic Cap will be increased alongside levels to 85, the new limit will be 326. Basic set up with AF Body & Relic Helm makes this 346. With merits, 362. This brings up an interesting item that very few BLU have obtained into play, Antica Ring:

337 Skill = D77 (Current cap including 8/8 merits and Relic Head/AF Body)
346 Skill = D79
362 Skill = D81
364 Skill = D83 (With Antica Ring)
373 Skill = D85 (With Symbios Gloves and Mavi's Scarf)

But to obtain that D level, one would have to give up +18~26 STR depending.

Discuss. (Because the Battery Charge discussion is silly.)

Totally not worth losing that much STR/DEX, etc. You'd lose out on damage from the modifiers. Only place it might be worth it would be for like MP Drainkiss. something you need magic accuracy from skill to prevent resists/increase output.

[Bumbles]

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t...906_101741.png
I stalked him into Walk of Echos and sword proc was pretty shitty highest was 30 (only caught 3 in log 14, 20, 30) - the group he was in wiped pretty badly if some one wants to talk him on bahamut go for it.

[Kyte]

There's not a hell of a lot to discuss in respect to that either. The gain of 4 base damage and 11 Blue Magic attack is almost completely negated by the STR loss. Using the low end that you listed (18 STR) and discounting WSC, that's already a loss of 4 fSTR and a gain of only 2 blue magic attack.

[Tonko]

This is BLU FINDINGS. No room for speculation jackasses!

Discussion and rational speculation are welcome here. But backseat modding isn't. Did you become a mod when I wasn't looking?

I thought not.

[Draylo]

What body piece is that?

[jimbobsonofgod]

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Loki%27s_Kaftan

[ronin sparthos]

Loki's Kaftan.

Town gear im hoping though some other pieces look suspect.

edit: beaten Q.Q

[Sho]

Yes indeed, had came to the conclusion almost immediately after getting to the hand armor. Better than listening to Battery Charge sillyness.

Oh snap, a Tonko post in FFXI forum.

[Yugl]

Discussion and rational speculation are welcome here. But backseat modding isn't. Did you become a mod when I wasn't looking?

I thought not.

That's crazy talk. Backseat modding would imply that I'm serious.

[Nightfyre]

Discussion and rational speculation are welcome here. But backseat modding isn't. Did you become a mod when I wasn't looking?

I thought not.

Must be tornado season in the BG FFXI forums...

Pity Tyrfing doesn't seem to be all that good, though I can't say I'm surprised.

[Tonko]

Whoosh indeed. Teach me to moderate a reported post just after waking up.

And yes, I'm playing again. having alot of fun too.

[Kaslo]

Since the Blue Magic Cap will be increased alongside levels to 85, the new limit will be 326. Basic set up with AF Body & Relic Helm makes this 346. With merits, 362. This brings up an interesting item that very few BLU have obtained into play, Antica Ring:

337 Skill = D77 (Current cap including 8/8 merits and Relic Head/AF Body)
346 Skill = D79
362 Skill = D81
364 Skill = D83 (With Antica Ring)
373 Skill = D85 (With Symbios Gloves and Mavi's Scarf)

But to obtain that D level (373), one would have to give up +18~26 STR depending (and further lose 4 STR because of Symbios Gloves). Loss of 4~6 STR in a ring slot to go from 362 -> 364.

Discuss. (Because the Battery Charge discussion is silly.)

To be honest, shouldn't Disseverment be close to capping with this update? If so, and unless they give up a new better Physical Spell, then +skill gear will diminish in value.

[Khidir]

was thinking about that i really dont want to give it up ; ; the fact that its piercing and a hot poison effect is a lot to give up


was thinking of possible future big spells fang rush and deadly drive be cool, but i'll ask a question i asked earlier in case anyone missed it

anyone see a damage increase from the meh dd spells coming close to big 3 status? I mean the ones at later levels or possibly vert. cleave gaining a smaller gap versus big 3 non SA?

havent had much time to myself to test

[Ddboner]

For me, CA Vertical Cleave usually produces better dmg than the big three on mobs with no damage bonuses. This was the same for before the update to 80 though

[Yugl]

For me, CA Vertical Cleave usually produces better dmg than the big three on mobs with no damage bonuses. This was the same for before the update to 80 though

With CA, obviously. The point of interest is non-CA.

[Khidir]

gear/merits if you didnt mind? i think it's possible i'm just better geared for big 3 than vert cleave only thing that'd bother me is the accuracy loss as SA spells are a tad inaccurate ie casting with less str for more acc then again the only acc i need merited is phys potency (2/5)

[Kaslo]

Vertical Cleave should also be approaching its D cap as well. We need new 75+ physical spells, praying for them today.

[Yugl]

Spell caps on BLU magic will be increased for spells. Whether this applies to physical magic or just stuff like stoneskin is to be seen.

[Sho]

Vertical Cleave should also be approaching its D cap as well. We need new 75+ physical spells, praying for them today.

Lets see here:

Frenetic Rip: L78
Hysteric Barrage: L84
Disseverment: L87
Vertical Cleave: L90

Due to how Frenetic Rip was implemented, it still has some mileage up to 90~ish imo. Vertical Cleave will technically be good up until 92ish as well, unless something else is added and trumps it. Disseverment is still ok until 99. Hysteric Barrage however, will get boned and likely replaced soon.

[Ddboner]

With CA, obviously. The point of interest is non-CA.

anyone see a damage increase from the meh dd spells coming close to big 3 status? I mean the ones at later levels or possibly vert. cleave gaining a smaller gap versus big 3 non SA?

You say obviously, but then why do I see 99% of BLUs dropping their CA on disseverment for a small gain? Since he referred to V.Cleave as meh without SA, seems to me he would be one of those BLUs. Why not CA vertical Cleave and then cast a non-CA Diss?

I'm just trying to point out to him that IMO V.Cleave closed this gap already..

If I need alot of Dmg fast (non-SA as stated by him) I would go:

CA Vert.Cleave
Diss
Frene

Repeat.

Everyone else I see goes:

CA Diss
Frenetic Rip
Hysteric Barrage

Repeat.

I think my method already outdmgs the second method, even without adding in the 4th spell. So to return to his post, at least one of the "SA" spells already does sick dmg without it.

Sorry, I probably sound like I'm being a dick, but I guess the term "Big 3" gets my nickers in a bunch, it should be "Big 4"....IMO