Blue Mage: Best thread ever

[Atoreis]

Haha I knew that making nuke set will finally payback someday

Btw isnt that finally argument about BLU being best on something?
I am sure good BLU > good war now for "cleaving" mainly because its safer and needs much less resource.

[Yugl]

Haha I knew that making nuke set will finally payback someday

Btw isnt that finally argument about BLU being best on something?
I am sure good BLU > good war now for "cleaving" mainly because its safer and needs much less resource.

I doubt it since the recast on Charged Whiskers looks fucking terrible.

[Darkmagi]

Can always throw in other AOE spells (Whirl etc.) while waiting on recast. FC killer? Unlikely, but an alternative for sure.

[Villian]

Was able to flashga > charged whisker > therma pulse on chigoes to kill them all but need a blm sleepga after whisker. I can see blu aoe kill to avoid ruby lights just need a sleepga person.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Haha I knew that making nuke set will finally payback someday

Btw isnt that finally argument about BLU being best on something?
I am sure good BLU > good war now for "cleaving" mainly because its safer and needs much less resource.

Having a sleeper is safer than Perfect Defense?

This arguement was already thread-long; mana-burn takes one less person, and gets less done, while Cleave-burn requires one more person, and gets more done.

[Yugl]

Can always throw in other AOE spells (Whirl etc.) while waiting on recast. FC killer? Unlikely, but an alternative for sure.

I haven't had time to level to 90 yet, but it would depend on how stats affect CW. Whirl of Rage is Physical and CW is magic. Against VT leeches with CAEX, Whirl does 1-2k DMG with a physical set up (Atmas and all). It's questionable how much damage we can expect to see from CW and WR if we try to appeal to both.

Having a sleeper is safer than Perfect Defense?

This arguement was already thread-long; mana-burn takes one less person, and gets less done, while Cleave-burn requires one more person, and gets more done.

Well in that case, his argument stands. Given the numbers I'm seeing posted, two BLU + SMN is enough to handle everything and I'm certain that 3.9k beats any single Cleave I've seen. The only reason I brought up recast is because people would complain about man-hours increasing because of the added individual.

[Nightfyre]

Minimum for Cleaving effectively is RDM SMN WAR, correct? Haven't tried other mobs/zones, but RDM BLU BLU could easily do Chigoes in Attohwa. CA Whirl is an easy ~2k/mob and stun with MM/VV, add Efflux and you're pushing up around 2.5-3k. MM/VV/SA or even dropping MM for a damage atma would push that higher, no need for PD (and thus restore chests), can kill any mob regardless of ruby light generation if you'd prefer to avoid it.

EDIT: VT mobs are irrelevant here, no? Pull time on Cleaves keeps them around DC-EM I thought.

[Yugl]

What is SA Atma? I haven't checked out the new atmas and wiki only lists the new synthetics.

[Nightfyre]

Stout Arm, from Briareus. 40 STR + other stuff.

On a related note, does anybody know the DA value from Harvester (Chloris)?

EDIT: nvm on Harvester, should be the same as VV (both minor).

[Villian]

Fell cleave is like 4.5-4.8k, but this is my number without top gears. Anyway the only problem with blu burn is that you get interrupt easily when 20 mobs beating on you, so you need sleepga or another blue to nuke 1-3 seconds after you. I can imagine 2 blu + puller + whm can pull this off if you prefer ruby light mobs.

[Nightfyre]

Really not an issue when everything is stunned the whole time.

[macross]

chigoes are pretty evasive, never could land phys spells well on them due to that, though whirl doesnt seem to miss. Never did anything close to 2k whirl though, mine are usualy like 500 dmg at most, but I've only done them in fully ally.

If mobs are dc, whisker can easily do 4500 dmg as well, maybe hit 5ks and one shot them. Was able to push whiskers to 4400 today using fantod, vs VT IT mobs. Normal whisker with BA hit 4300 vs dc's.

Blu aoeing allows you to kill stuff that gives ruby light, as there are no chigoes in the new zones. But on chigoes/colibri then wars still better with the faster fc spams. Whisker cast time isn't that bad anyhow if you got dbl marches and /rdm. Regardless, nothing wrong with adding blu to cleave pt. Consistant dmg to all mobs is still great.

[Atoreis]

Fell cleave is like 4.5-4.8k, but this is my number without top gears. Anyway the only problem with blu burn is that you get interrupt easily when 20 mobs beating on you, so you need sleepga or another blue to nuke 1-3 seconds after you. I can imagine 2 blu + puller + whm can pull this off if you prefer ruby light mobs.

4.5-4.8k is RR atma and 2hr on FC. when its common to get 2x soothing on a big pull for you and SMN its not 100%. Not having 2hr on FC lower the dmg badly and FC on big pulls like to miss some mobs and you need to kill them after with normal melee. 100% TP FC has also very small range.

[macross]

blue gets 3 aoe sleeps, and one gaze sleep which will still work since they are all one you after one whisker. Also get aoe flash aoe stuns.

So all you need is a blue and smn and you can kill unlimited mobs if you use smn alex. Whisker + thermal should kill all mobs. If those fail, sleep then leafstorm or maelstrom, those still do aruound 1500 dmg or more.

[Villian]

So with the idea of puller + SMN + Blu + stoneskin from blu or smn(/sch?) can pretty much take care of TE/azure in minutes?

[Atoreis]

So with the idea of puller + SMN + Blu + stoneskin from blu or smn(/sch?) can pretty much take care of TE/azure in minutes?

BLU/RDM should have capped stoneskin, fastcast, MAB trait, phalanx add occultation, plasma charge, cocoon and you dont really need puller you can pull yourself especially if you including SMN 2hr Alex for this.

[macross]

Yeah, I've been subbing rdm alot, and I have been aoeing for TE in the new zones, so It does work. Not even sure which mobs don't give ruby in the new zones, so blu + blm aoe it is.

Got discernment abyssite (shows element of weakness to trigger) just now, waiting on night time so I can unlock the final BC hehe. Too bad blue cant wear twilight cloak;;

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ssdf1/aoe2.jpg

Top dmg was just BA + drink. Bottom dmg was with a few fantods thrown in as well.

[Kaslo]

And I am a very much tired of the bickering, we get it you two don't agree. We have our findings. Can we move on? :/

[darkepyon]

Yeah, I've been subbing rdm alot, and I have been aoeing for TE in the new zones, so It does work. Not even sure which mobs don't give ruby in the new zones, so blu + blm aoe it is.

Got discernment abyssite (shows element of weakness to trigger) just now, waiting on night time so I can unlock the final BC hehe. Too bad blue cant wear twilight cloak;;

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ssdf1/aoe2.jpg

Top dmg was just BA + drink. Bottom dmg was with a few fantods thrown in as well.

Holy shit dude! What kind of gear/atmas were you using?

[Jeryhn]

Cleaving: So easy, a SMN can do it.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1...122_121054.png